Kim Davis
 

Is she a modern day Esther? Who is her pastor? Is she doing the right thing?

Re: Kim Davis
 

Are Apostolics being threatened with death? Is she married to a king?

Is she doing the right thing?

Dante are you doing the right thing? :)

Re: Kim Davis
 

qualifier; I now not dante.

When our civil liberties and religious rights are overstepped and our convictions mean nothing to the world, we will pay a dear price even our lives.

This day will come. If you think 70ad was bad,,,, just hold on.

Sad to say, because I hate it!
This is the kind of thing we mock because we neglect to see the relevance of it. We associate civil liberties with the Sodomites and think because the democrats support them they are irrelevant.

But I tell you, We will see the day when churches and pastors are tried in court and imprisoned for refusing to marry them. It is already against the law to preach against homosexuality in Canada. It too will be here soon. I hate it!

I heard a great Elder among us recently say at a Conference "Same sex marriage is upon us, it is here, we aren't fighting it anymore, it's here.... We are near the end."

This reminds me of the stories L.E. Westberg told of the men who stood on conviction in his church. They were court marshaled and sent to the brig or given a dishonorable discharge from the military. All for refusing to wear a short sleeve uniform.

Or the story about Phil White's son, who when working at a fast food restaurant refused to wear a short sleeve uniform. So they instituted the companies first long sleeve shirt just because he stood on conviction.

Kim Davis is a Apostolic sister who goes to a UPC church in that state, and I thank God for her stand. She said she has prayed and fasted about her decision not to give marriage licenses to same sex couples. She said she has a conviction against it. I will continue to pray for the will of God.

Here is an article about this issue;

http://www.kentucky.com/2015/08/12/3...an-county.html

Re: Kim Davis
 

Funny, I post with people, and I don't bring up eschatology, but they bring it up? Interesting. So, homosexuals are marrying homosexuals, so it's the end? Homosexuals aren't marrying homosexuals in Russia so is that the beginning? Homosexuals are executed in some Middle Eastern, and North African countries, how does that fit into an end time scenario?

Whatever.

But as far as an employer goes, the employee agrees to the rules of the job prior to being hired. If Brother Whites' son was hired into a company with short sleeves (and that is the uniform) then he knowingly joined a company which has a short sleeve uniform. Yet, if he was hired with long sleeve uniform and the uniform changed then he and his employer would have to work that out. Religious convictions just like conscientious objectors cannot join or be employed knowing that the job is contrary to their religious convictions. If someone comes to a machine shop for a job, and their policy is against long sleeves for any reason, no one can get a job there and expect to have the uniform code changed. Same thing with a woman wearing a dress, if the uniform code calls for scrubs and she believes she can wear a dress by using some religious exemption it won't work. The woman who refused to issue licenses to homosexuals had the job prior to the law change, and therefore has a case.

Re: Kim Davis
 

I believe the Elder V. Morton was referring to religious freedoms in America, and the Warning in the Spirit came cold as a winters blast. Get right with God, Jesus is coming!

Yes, all good points.

Re: Kim Davis
 

Do you happen to know how many supreme court cases have been won by religious groups in America?

Re: Kim Davis
 

No

Re: Kim Davis
 

Neither did Kathleen Sebelius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmpoYb-hA1s

Re: Kim Davis
 

Do you have a holster on your hip for your mouse?

Re: Kim Davis
 

Idon't think this is winnablebut it's not her money fighting it ,I think she is wrong in thinking her actions amount to approval ,I have a contracting business I don't approve of some of my customers lifestyle some are gay and I know it ,I don't refuse to do business with them they treat me well ,I do likewise .sin is sin some of my customers are serial adulterers and many other kind of sinners I take their money and treat them equal

Re: Kim Davis
 

I understand, but the focus of her issue would be along the lines of one, she already had the job prior to the law. Two, she just can't quit the job because of obvious financial reasons. So, taking all the politically correct hoopla out of it, the woman does need her job. You on the other hand might have a problem doing a job for someone if they were involved in something that was bad enough for you decline. I don't want to make a list, but you must have something that would cause you to back off from a payday? This isn't just talking about sin, but this is talking about a person's religious beliefs which bar them from taking part in joining two men together so they can have a license to sex with each other. Imagine if a law was passed (I personally believe it never would) but, if a law was passed to allow known ex-pedophiles to run nurseries, be over Sunday school bus ministries, and lead Boy Scout troops, and you were in a position to sign them in, now that leaves you in a quandary to either do your job under the letter of the law, or refuse to do your job because of a religious conviction. Again, keep in mind when Kim Davis was first employed it was prior to the supreme court judgement.

Re: Kim Davis
 

The cases that the LGBT community is going to bring against the Christian Churches is not about winning the cases it is about bringing the cases.

Here in our state it is not legal for a corporation to represent itself in court. An individual can represent itself but not a corp.

A person can pay a few bucks and bring a civil suit against a church. But... for that church to fight it they must now pay an attorney. 10K? 20K?

The fight that many churches will face, especially those will large assets, is the many lawsuits that will be brought against them that they will ultimately win but that will begin to drain their assets.

Those big buildings will have to be hocked to pay for that.

That is the agenda of LGBT community and their attorneys.

Re: Kim Davis
 

http://www.christianlaw.org/cla/

http://www.adflegal.org/

http://www.adflegal.org/issues/relig...hurch/overview

Re: Kim Davis
 

http://www.christianlaw.org/cla/inde...itial_Response

Please read the whole article but I just wanted to point this portion out.

4. Be ready to stand as never before.

A. Make sure that what your church believes what the Bible teaches about sexual behavior and the definition of marriage is clearly and specifically stated in your Statement of Faith (usually a part of the church bylaws).

B. Use your church facilities for church purposes ONLY. Churches can NO LONGER simply allow "the public" to use its facilities for weddings. If your church rents out its facilities to the public, it may be forced to accept same-sex couple applicants. Your church needs A WRITTEN FACILITY USE POLICY in addition to a CLEAR STATEMENT OF FAITH. This policy needs to clearly outline that the requestor agrees with your church's statement of faith. This will aid in protecting the church and its leaders. To adequately protect the church's property, I recommend that a church ONLY permit facility use, if any, by its members IN GOOD STANDING. I also suggest that no weddings be allowed that are not presided over by one of the church's pastors. In a growing number of states, when a church opens or rents its facilities to non-members IT ENGAGES IN COMMERCE and becomes subject to "PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION" laws that prohibit various types of discrimination. This means that if your church offers certain goods or services to the public (e.g. food, goods, services, and entertainment) your property may be considered a place of public accommodation subject to state, county, and municipal anti-discrimination laws.

C. Recover the sacred meaning of marriage in word and practice. Marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman before God (Mal. 2:14). As such, the ceremony is an act of worship of the Creator for the blessing of marriage (Prov. 18:22; 19:14). Weddings in the church should rightfully be referred to as worship services.

This is one of the most challenging and exciting times for Christians in the history of America. We must do the right thing, the right way. It is a privilege and an honor to stand Biblically for the cause of Jesus Christ.

Re: Kim Davis
 

who in the world is kim davis

Re: Kim Davis
 

news blackout in your area :) ? ap from Kentucky refusing to issue gays marriage licenses

Re: Kim Davis
 

saw it this morning.

honestly not even a blip on my radar.

Re: Kim Davis
 

AMEN!

Re: Kim Davis
 

She opened her office this morning, again refusing to issue a marriage license to the two men who have been harrassing her for months now. Since the SCOTUS refused to issue an injunction, she can either face heavy fines or even be arrested and put in jail for contempt.

I remember not very long ago, within the past year, a few on here mocked that Christians would face this kind of persecution due to the SSM issue. Well, it's happening, and she could end up in jail for it.

Is this still America? Land of the "free," where you were given the Constitutional provision of "free exercise" of religion? Not just the freedom to believe your faith, but the freedom to exercise your faith.

Re: Kim Davis
 

The last church of which I was in leadership addressed this issue and updated its bylaws. The Pastor had attended a large church conference which included a lengthy session on current legal issues. There are a lot of churches which have left themselves vulnerable to lawsuits because their bylaws are not written correctly, or they haven't written any bylaws.

Re: Kim Davis
 

:highfive

Re: Kim Davis
 

this isn't the test case. that already happened to that couple in OR that are now on the hook for $130,000 to hand over to a lesbian couple they wouldn't make a wedding cake for. then were told to SHUT UP by the state of OR or face contempt charges and get tossed in jail.

THAT was the test case.

This is a state official not following the law. I hate that but that's the simple truth.


Now what would be cool, is if the community came out and stood in front of the town hall and wouldn't let the idiot progressive activist get in.

and the police refused to arrest her.

Re: Kim Davis
 

several years ago, we put plans in place for this. we also made the decision then to not rent our church. We serve our members. period.

Re: Kim Davis
 

:thumbsup

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Im not sure how folks got blind sided by this.

Re: Kim Davis
 

Many consider Kim to be a prophetess who is standing against the ungodly authorities of the U. S. government. She might be a plight to the tax payer, but is she doing the will of God?

Re: Kim Davis
 

I listened to some stuff on the radio today. if she is a prophetess she aint a good one.


"the will of god"

That s an interesting statement. She has been working within the government offering marriage license from the state...

that document CUTS GOD OUT OF MARRIAGE and makes marriage a legally binding agreement between two individuals AND THE STATE.

NOT GOD. God isn't anywhere involved in marriage in the USA these days. I don't care where the ceremony is held, nor who is officiating.

the preacher or the goofball with the internet license ends the "ceremony" with the words By the authority vested in me BY THE STATE OF ________"

and this is after the poor couple have to march down to city hall to beg the government to let them get married....

ALL THAT was IN THE OLD DAYS when gay people couldn't even ask the question.


so.... im having a hard time buying into the notion that "gods will" involves support of cutting him out before but now all the sudden since "thegays" can cut god out, its all bad?

Re: Kim Davis
 

She is going to lose her job, but she is standing for what she believes.

Is she right? Is she wrong?

When is it right to stand against what is wrong?

Regardless, she is going to pay the price which ultimitely will be that she will lose (according to mans reasoning) by trying to play against a corrupt system.

Re: Kim Davis
 

some idiot in California climmed up in a red wood and lived there for months then fell out of the tree to their death.

did they stand up for what she believes? does anyone care?

if an idiot falls out of a tree in the woods and no one is there to hear, did they scream?

Ms. Davis stands strongly FOR folk coming to with their hand out to the government for PERMISSION to marry.... that being an institution She also believes to be religious?

I would prefer her saying she is a making a stand for the constition and that the court had over stepped its authority and the constitution was her authority.

she would at least be standing for rule of law... which seem to be something she is comfortable with... I mean supportive of law that supplants God anyway.

Re: Kim Davis
 

Okay!

ROFL

I cannot even follow the rest!

Love It!

Re: Kim Davis
 

I'm a bit surprised, Ferd. I wouldn't think you would be against her stance, much less compare her to an idiot.

I support her completely on this. She's certainly not comparable to some "idiot" sitting in a tree.

Re: Kim Davis
 

No, FALLING out of the tree!!!

:icecream

Re: Kim Davis
 

The "many" who?

Re: Kim Davis
 

LOL


well here is the deal. ive been utterly against this notion that we ask the state permission to get married every since they told me I had to go get a marriage license from the state 20+ years ago.


my opposition has always been that marriage is a 3 person covenant between a man, a woman and GOD. I don't see room for STATE in the middle of that.

So here we have a person, claiming her authority is "GOD" for not issuing a marriage license to a couple of people asking the state to recognize their sin.

Now she was fine cutting God out of marriage for however long she was passing out licenses to the poor people that came to her for all those years...herself being party to the cutting of God out of marriage...

now God tells her not to let the state recognize something God never will?

sorry im all about protecting people of faith from the predations of the Progressive agenda that demands we stop calling homosexuality SIN and forcing us to recognize and participate in the celebration of SIN. Im all in on that battle.

But this? This just muddies the water. this gives ammo to the very people that want to hurt Christians. period. end of story.

Re: Kim Davis
 

I have heard she is a registered Democrat. Could that be true?

Re: Kim Davis
 

Just searched and found this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/anti-...e-court-2015-8

It says in the last paragraph she is a Democrat. Isnt Gay marriage a part of the Democrat platform? How can she be a Democrat and fight against this?

Re: Kim Davis
 

Marriage licenses, like everything else, have just become another source of government revenue.

Re: Kim Davis
 

Wow, you have a major point.

Re: Kim Davis
 

As someone who works in a county clerk's office and issues marriage licenses on a regular basis, I have tremendous respect for this sister. I am shocked that more county clerks throughout the nation are not refusing to issue marriage licenses to same gender couples.

Re: Kim Davis
 

If you worked in a grocery store or such, and a customer came through your line wishing to purchase beer, cigarettes and a Playboy magazine would it be acceptable to refuse that customer and still keep your job?

If you say no, then why is this woman's action defensible?