Shouting at NAYC
 

http://stuffapostolicslike.blogspot....nd-vs-air.html

I actually do not understand what this guy's problem is and I have been a fan of his blog for quite some time.

I would like to know where Stoneking got his sources though.

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I am thinking the writer of this blog despises most if not all things related to 21st century Apostolic church.

I could be wrong.

If he has been around the Apostolics at all, he should know that prayer, praise and worship are some of the few things that makes being Apostolic even tolerable.

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Well, you're not wrong. The other new post about NAYC was even more upsetting. Read it too if you get the time.

I do want to know if shouting scientifically shreds the air,

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For real?

Why are you posting here if Apostolics are so miserable?

Good...grief. :lol

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I listened live to Stoneking talk the shredding air nonsense. I am amazed that people revere him and the nutty stuff he espouses. I guess people never change throughout the ages and are attracted to the wild and crazy stuff no matter how far removed from reality it is.

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You are wrong.

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Bwahahahahaha

Short, sweet and to the point!

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:happydance

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Do people not even realize that if it is OUR voice shredding the air to combat the prince of the power of the air, it's not God's Spirit doing the work, it's our own humanity. Hello!

Someone shared the message with me and said that they "tear up" every time they listen to it. I was thinking, "Please, could you find a bridge and jump off so that I don't have to ever hear you talk about this again?" J/K!!!! :heeheehee

I haven't heard the message, but the decibel thing made it certain I wouldn't.

If y'all don't believe shouting, or the sound waves emitted by shouting, does anything to molecules of air, then you should look into it.

Before criticizing Stoneking and calling him an idiot, you should read about the effects sound waves have on molecules.

Sound waves are energy. By claiming they shred the air, he's just saying the energy released by sound waves causes molecules to react. Some even claim sound waves could heat objects or emit enough energy to light a light bulb.

Bottom line is it does affect air molecules. He's correct. Y'all haters should read before bashing the man.

I was only able to attend 1 night of NAYC this year, but it seems like the biggest take away was that they almost broke a world record for breaking the loudest decibel from an arena.....Who cares?

This is why I'm concerned. The noise level was the most visited status on Facebook concerning Congress.

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Brother Lee Stoneking would be proud.

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What does that have to do with fighting the good fight of faith? The louder the stronger?

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Sister when was the last time you shouted? :)

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I think God loves loud praise!!! ❤❤

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Folks complain about this then go to some sports arena? Have rock music at church? Rock and rap music on their iPods?
Just wondering?

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Amen elder.



As a student of history, let me say that there has never been a battle that did not include a good bit of shouting. that release of energy has two effects.
1. it encourages the individual
2. it discourages the opponent.

Im not a Stonking fan and can and have discussed from a purely theological perspective his doctrinal foibles.

This is not one of those. the blogger is a hater. So... what does light have to do with darkness?

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There is plenty of scripture related to raising ones voice to the lord in praise. In fact there is plenty of scripture that relates shouting to the Lord as a form of warfare. both physical and spiritual.

Joshua 6:20


So the people shouted, and priests blew the trumpets; and when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, the people shouted with a great shout and the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight ahead, and they took the city.

2 Chron 13:15
Then the men of Judah raised a war cry, and when the men of Judah raised the war cry, then it was that God routed Jeroboam and all Israel before Abijah and Judah.

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Is 12:6
Cry aloud and shout for joy, O inhabitant of Zion, For great in your midst is the Holy One of Israel

Ps 47:1
O clap your hands, all peoples; Shout to God with the voice of joy.

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In fact the Psalmist David enjoins ALL THE EARTH to raise its collective voices in praise to God.

He tells the sea to clap its hands, to raise its voice. He intones the people to shout "with the voice of many waters".

He instructs the mountains to speak out and to fall on their faces. David in fact states that if the people will not Praise God, the ROCKS WILL CRY OUT.

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If your worship doesn't lead you into obedience to Jesus Christ, you are simply making noise.

I remember being instructed that to get God's attention, you need to make some noise. So, I am praying at home, lifting my voice in praise, clapping my hands... Becoming a bit tired with this outward display, I say, "Oh, forget it." I then kneel by my bed and whisper, "I love you, Jesus." The spirit of the Lord fills the room. He doesn't require us to slam and shout to get His attention is all I am saying.

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I believe the issue is because Stoneking said it. People either love him or really, really hate him. Had Bernard or some other preacher said what Stoneking said, there wouldn't be much question about it, because what was said was true. Sure, it wasn't eloquent or explained in scientific terms, but sound waves affect molecules. It's scientifically proven. It's also true that in the OT people shouted when God commanded and victories were won.

You don't want to raise your voice, fine. But don't bash the man just because he stated a biblical and scientific fact.

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The ONLY place in scripture that deals with the idea of tamping down worship is where Sauls daughter Micah, also the wife of David was disgusted with David dancing before the Lord.

God did not agree with her and dealt with her harshly.

Stoneking did not call satain the Prince of the Air. The bible states that.

Anyone seeking to fill satans principality with PRAISE TO GOD gets my support. Not because I like getting loud for geebus. That's silly. NO. I fill that space with Praise because my God is worthy of it. I support it because ITS BIBLICAL. Because God INJOINS his people to do so, and because doing so does in fact serve notice both to The Children of God AND to Satan, that there is no comfort for Satan, not even in his principality.


God love you folks who like your polite Jesus. But when you politeness extends to the battlefield, im sorry, but really... im not looking for you to be the guy(or gal) standing next to me holding that shield of faith that is supposed to help protect me....

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well that's sound doctrine!

Im all for that. but lets not toss the baby out with the bathwater!

The bible also says BE STILL (quiet) and know that I am God"

There is a time and place for ALL THINGS.

When I teach on prayer, you better believe that I instruct Apostolics that prayer isn't ALL telling God stuff! if you don't spend time LISTENING you are not going anywhere.

BUT put STONEKINGs comments at NAYC in CONTEXT. He wasn't teaching. Those kids in general are REALLY GOOD at saying nothing. At being quiet at church. There is nothing wrong with teaching them that there is a time and place for a war shout.

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/\ this right here...

Amen

Anyone who has been around here knows ive spoken harshly about some of his doctrinal views. But THIS is NOT one of those.

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Sure doesn't hurt.

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Whoa, really HATE HIM.

That's a bit flipped out, don't you agree?

An Apostolic who really hates his brother has more issues then the one who he is hating. :)

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you know I love and respect you...

I agree, God does not require us to "slam".... im pretty sure he instructs us to shout... considering all the scripture that speaks to the subject.

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Flipped out? No. Look at any thread about Stoneking or one of his statements and you'll find a lot of venom and hatred towards him.

This is true.

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:thumbsup

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Shout with a voice of triumph!

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Where is there a statement made that has venom and hatred?

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I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around focusing on decibel levels. I can't quite see the Apostles preaching or focusing on that issue.

I don't mind the boisterous praise and the shout. I am also a participant. What I want us to be careful of is leaning too much on the element of making noise and not getting as excited when the scriptures are read. That is what brings me to my feet more than anything. I have seen young people shout, but not be made strong by it. Something appeared to be surface noise with no depth. That is all I fear the most - noise with no depth of commitment to God.

Pulled over to respond to your post. Better get back on the highway before a police officer thinks I am in trouble or waiting to pick up a stash of illegals. Lol

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The thread which immediately comes to mind was deleted pretty quickly. Using the pure definition of the word "hate," there are many posts which show deep, intense or emotional dislike towards Stoneking. There's even a thread in which someone had to make a qualifying statement before stating they would pray for Stoneking while he was having surgery.

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Yet, people haven't done that recently?

This was back in the bad old days when this place was overrun with trolling haters? Haters who were disgruntled ex-Apostolics who not only had ill feelings about the movement, but also despised anyone who represented the movement?

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The deleted thread was from last year; the qualified prayer was by someone who still posts regularly.

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I bet they don't feel that way anymore. :)

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The scientific and Biblical disconnect that is occurring is that while all sound waves are merely vibrations travelling across air molecules, and while some kind of spirit (not called Satan) is called the prince of the power of the air in Ephesians 2:2, the references don't cross over into each other.

Spirits are not physical forces with physical kingdoms or domains made up of physical molecules of air (i.e. nitrogen, oxygen, and other gases) any more than the Spirit of God is literally "breath" or "wind" in the sense of air molecules being sped up or slowed down by temperature variations, even though both ruach in Hebrew and pneuma in Greek can mean breath or wind.

There are parallels to teach spiritual applications, perhaps, in that some of these words are used as metaphors. But the sound waves I make with my voice, no matter the decibel levels, don't affect spirits physically, as though they had literal "ears to hear" (that is, the physical organs of hearing to receive and transmit sound waves to the brain, which acts as the center of sound interpretation) since they aren't physical creatures. It is a supernatural event that transcends air molecules and sound wave vibrations.

Yes, all that we do in prayer, intercession, and worship is done through our physical bodies, but once accomplished, the things we say and/or do transcend the physical reality of the natural world and cross over into the realm of the spirit, i.e. the heavenlies. Once those things transmigrate the barrier between the physical to the spiritual, there is also a transubstantiation of those things.

And we cannot say that shouting extra loud at a massive youth convention is going to do more or less once the waves of high decibel sound transmigrate that barrier.

In fact, it's quite possible that some, many, or even most, were shouting with the voice of don't let the next kid see me not obey the preacher. Meanwhile some twelve year old saint, not caught up in the hype of the moment, with tears quietly and gently falling down her face, is in the presence of the Almighty, being used by Him to do the only real damage to "the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience..."

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:thumbsup

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I know God has responded to me in times when I have shouted AND when I have whispered quietly to him. So, I have nothing against either. The are both a necessary part of communication with Him, depending on the circumstance.

As far as Stoneking goes, no, I don't like him. I certainly don't hate him, though I do hate some of the baloney he has put out there. I also hate that my mother is Catholic.