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How can anyone who believes in God as our Creator support a president and a party that unequivocally and unconditionally supports Planned Parenthood especially in light of the mounting evidence that this organization has been butchering babies and selling body parts for profit? How can anyone defend voting for BO and Democrats?

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With Bohnhead out, maybe congress will pass a budget that does not mention planned parenthood funding and dare Obama to veto it.

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i think the argument is that PP does a lot of good things, too. And, the attack on PP is just another way to defund social services for the poor, like the food stamps shutdown, while ever increasing subsidies for the rich.

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Sorry. It's not the federal government's place to provide the poor with abortions and birth control.

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If you feel that way, I doubt that you are sorry. :heeheehee

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Because a vote for a Democrat is most definitely, without a doubt, in every situation, a vote in support of murder.

Why would a Christian ever vote for a murderer? Every Democrat is a murderer! They all have blood on their hands.

The Democrats are more guilty than the Doctors and Nurses that perform and aid the abortions.

The Democrats are more guilty than the mother who chooses to murder her baby.

The Democrats are the most guilty of all unsavory beasts-- because they are Democrats.

First time I've agreed with a post you've typed, though I wouldn't say they're more guilty than the murderers posing as Drs or the mothers willingly sacrificing their children to their sex gods. But yes, they bear a large portion of the blame.

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No they don't.

They are no more culpable than the rest of the citizens of our representative democracy.

I didn't vote to allow abortions, or vote against any and all restrictions to abortions, your fellow Democrats did!

Any Democrat voting to allow abortions or who vote against restrictions on abortion are guilty and have the blood of every aborted child on their hands.

In fact, the people who vote for these Democrats, like you, are also guilty and have blood on their hands.

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Nope.

You are wrong.

With your line of thinking, the GOP will ALWAYS have your vote. They have mastered you politically, like the Democrats have mastered the black vote.

Politics is a human construct.

The GOP has infused religion into the discussion in a way to capitalize on the "Christian Vote" to the point of demonizing others simply because they don't agree with your view of our human governments role in this matter.

There are PLENTY of Democrats who do not agree with abortion. PLENTY! Still, they find that the human political party that represents them BEST is the Democrat Party?

Why on Earth would that be the case?

Keep telling yourself that to help you sleep better at night.

Blood is on your hands.

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Nope. None here. Are you responsible for every bonehead position of the GOP? Are you responsible for the side effects of every bonehead decision that a GOP politician has ever take America towards?

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Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.

The dems are guilty of supporting abortion.

The repubs are just as guilty for failing to stop it.

America as a nation is guilty for allowing it. And for allowing the politicians to get away with either supporting it or not stopping it.

Daniel 9 is a good primer on the subject.

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Still waiting for proof that planned parenthood sells baby parts. Who do they sell them to? Why? Only the faux news crowd would believe a heavily edited tape from someone who has gotten in trouble in the past for editing anti planned parenthood vids.

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Lets say all us DEMs have the blood of these babies on our hands like you say, by that logic, the GOPers have the blood of the innocent Iraqis and Afghanis that have been killed in the war on terror. And guess what? Those people are more alive than early term aborted babies. But that is typical of the GOPers, care more about an unborn fetus than actual living people.

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Waiting for proof? High level PP execs discussing the subject and admitting to it, Stem Express having a "menu" of aborted fetal tissue on their website (which I linked to awhile ago in one of the other threads) and you are just parroting the party line "there's no evidence, heavily edited videos, blah blah blah" as if simply repeating bold faced lies will make it all be something it isn't?

Amazing. We are IN the Zombie Apocalypse, and this right here is proof.

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Did you ignore the other things I posted? They are donating the tissue and body parts the same way someone who dies donates their tissue and body parts. You also ignored the Missouri government investigation that said planned parent hood did nothing wrong. Broke no laws!!! False outrage.

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The GOP wants to defund planned parenthood and are willing to hold up the Govt when its only 3% of what they do. They also do things like cancer screening and STD and infection treatment.

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Enlightening. I didn't realize these babies voluntarily gave up their lives and bodies for medical research. How generous of them!

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They are abortion mills. That's what they do. They have $100 millions in the bank and they get 1/2 billion in $ from taxpayers. Abortion is the name of their game. It's a ruse to say they are fully operational clinic for women. They claim mammograms but the director of PP admitted they don't even own a single mammogram machine.

There are thousands of other clinics that serve the needs of women that get nothing from the Federal govt. Why does PP deserve 1/2 a billions a the others don't?

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Apples and oranges.

Dems voted for those wars alongside GOPers. It's a poor argument to justify murdering babies.

And who are you to value one life over another? You're not God.

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So much idiot in this thread. Planned Parent Hood broke no laws. None! Change the law. But the GOPers know they cant do that, so they will try and defund.

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We may never know if they did or didn't break the law. There's plenty of evidence on these videos to AT LEAST investigate. But an Obama led DOJ will never do it. Maybe if there is a GOP president he/she will. The video evidence at least demands a thorough investigation.

Fionn---abortion is child murder. I am stunned at your calloused attitude towards the deaths of untold millions of babies, human beings, children. Do liberals have any conscience whatsoever? You all claim to be for the little guys---the helpless---the defenseless, and yet the littlest guys among us, the most helpless and defenseless among us are legally murdered every day. This isn't a political issue---it's a moral issue. The liberal movement is numb to an elementary issue of morality and decency. It's unconscionable. It's awful. It's a sad state of affairs in America.

Aren't you glad your mother didn't abort you?

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From what I understand they DID break the law, they talked about how to get around he laws, etc etc. Stem Express? Hello?

But nothing will be done, of course, because America is hell-bent on going to hell as quickly as possible.

We'll probably get nuked eventually.

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So you know more the the several states that said they didnt break the law? What is Missouri? A GOP state? They said no laws were broken.

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Because I do not believe that early term abortion is murder. That is why. Also you GOPers care so much about babies and pro life that you constantly cut education and food stamp programs.

Unfortunately for you, the Bible doesn't agree with you.

Apples and orange wheelbarrows. Not even nearly the same.

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What do dead elephants have to do with anything? I'm not a Republican.

Please provide links to the results of state level criminal investigations of Planned unParenthood that support your denial of PPs own top execs' statements and actions.

Don't believe my lying eyes, eh?

Put down the kool aid.

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Can I ask where the bible condemns abortion specifically?

Is this a serious question?

Good grief.

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Unfortunately yes.

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Wow...
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,"
"For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them."
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee"
"Thine hands have made me and fashioned me together round about; yet thou dost destroy me.
Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again?
Hast thou not poured me out as milk, and curdled me like cheese?
Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.
Thou hast granted me life and favour, and thy visitation hath preserved my spirit."

Would give more but need to get back to work.

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I cannot believe you actually wrote that. Life is life, regardless of how long they've been in the world (or even if they're still in the womb)!

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Liberal Christians that support abortion have to harden their consciences concerning unborn babies being murdered by abortion.

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well but their consciences are salved by not bringing another unwanted child into the world. I still do not agree with abortion, btw, but it should be obvious that one-dimensional answers will fit exactly one dimension. How would you fix the tragedy of starving children in the streets of Catholic countries?

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When is a baby alive? Heart beat? Brain waves?