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Have you ever heard some preacher preach about the trinity? They always end up saying and explaining it like no one will never truly understand it. This is a sad teaching. You never hear of the glory coming down when these teach bout da trinity! Imagine-Father God Holy Ghost God and spirit Goooooddd! And the power come down it doesn't happen. I have seen the Preterism church teaching lies, saying Jesus not coming to take his church away on YouTube. and there is no glory no power no anointing, just ooooo and aaaashhh from the people listening. No power, that's because it's not true!!! Those poor people must walk away saying what a great preacher, but in our meetings the power is manifest and the people walk away with singing shouting and saying WHAT A GREAT GOD!!!! Thank God there will be a day when the church will be caught up in the clouds with da Master!

Hang Ten!

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What?

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Either intentional non-truths, or ignorantly (willful or not) non-truths are still non-truths.

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Preacher preach it about the Rapture and this place explodes!!

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What are you talking about?

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Please put a video or tape of anyone preaching the Preterism and glory come?
It is not there.

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The hardest thing for me to believe about the trinity doctrine is, that as many times as the bible says, and GOD himself has said that he is one, he really meant one made of three.

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The TRUTH that those of this evil world and/or religion's way call "preterism" is easily understood by those who have "received a love of The TRUTH so that they might be saved" from their own self ("I", ego, id, pride) life! (Revelations 3:11, II Thessalonians 2:10-13)

http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogs...uth-to-be.html

And TRUTH IS! The Messiah testified, "Behold, I Come Quickly"! Revelations 3:11; 22:7,12,20)

And HE DID!

A testimony concerning such follows:

Someone had commented: "Revelations is ridiculous! "Behold I come quickly"? More than 1900 years is NOT QUICK, and 'jesus' has not yet returned."

And i responded:

The multitudes of worldly and/or religious ones continually mime, "with GOD a thousand years is as a day, and a day is as a thousand years"....... Yet The Messiah was speaking to temporal time humanoids, not Our FATHER and GOD, when He testified "Behold I Come Quickly"! (II Peter 3:8, Revelations 3:11, 22:7,12,20)

And The Messiah DID "Come Again" and "QUICKLY" just as He prophesied, when the earthly, natural, temporal temple realm centered in old jerusalem was destroyed! (Hebrews 8:13)

Thankfully! Immanuel(Our FATHER and GOD{HE WHO IS SPIRIT} with us In The Messiah) DID "Come Again" and "QUICKLY", just as He and other witnesses had prophesied.

"Behold, I COME QUICKLY"! (Revelations 3:11, 22:7,12,20)

And as The Messiah had testified, so it was....... "There are some standing here !NOW! WHO WILL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, until they (SOME OF THOSE THE MESSIAH WAS SPEAKING TOO) have seen The Kingdom of Our FATHER and GOD Come with Power!" (Mark 9:1)

And The Messiah bore witness of His "Coming Again" and "Quickly" when He stood before the "high priest" and testified, "You will see The Son of man sitting on The Right Hand of Power, and coming in the clouds of Heaven"! (Matthew 26:64b)

And He bore witness of His "Coming Again" and "Quickly" when He testified concerning the Apostle John, "If I would that he tarry till I Come what is that to you"? (John 21:21-24)

And again, He bore witness of His "Coming Again" and "Quickly" when He told His disciples, "When they persecute you in this city, flee unto another; for Truly I say unto, you will not have gone thru all the cities of israel, before The Son of man comes"! (Matthew 10:23)

And John testified, "Little children, it is the last time! And as you have heard that anti-messiah shall come, even now are there many anti-messiahs, whereby WE KNOW THAT IT IS THE LAST TIME (not the end of the world but the end of the old covenant age)"! (I John 2:18)

And he testified, "And now little children, abide in Him(The Messiah), so that when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming"! (I John 2:28)

And James testified, "Therefore be patient brethren, until The Lord's return! Behold, how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for The COMING of The Lord IS AT HAND." (James 4:7-8)

Paul testified, "YET A LITTLE WHILE! And He (The Messiah) that shall come will come, and will not tarry." (Hebrews 10:37)

And The Messiah DID "Come Again" and "QUICKLY"! (Revelations 3:11, 22:7,12,20)

And Paul testified, "I am in a strait between the two, for I have a desire to depart, and to be with The Messiah, which is far better. Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for all of you. And having that confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of Faith." (Philippians 1:23-25)

For Paul testified, "WE WHICH ARE ALIVE and remain SHALL BE CAUGHT UP together with them (those son's of GOD who had risen from the dead) in the clouds to meet The Messiah in the air, and so shall WE ever be with The Messiah." (I Thessalonians 4:17-18)

And again Paul testified, "I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. And GOD WILL DELIVER ME FROM EVERY EVIL WORK, AND WILL PRESERVE ME UNTO HIS HEAVENLY KINGDOM, to WHOM be GLORY for ever and ever.. Amen (It is so, let it be so)!" (II Timothy 4:17-18)

Such testimony is indicative of Paul yet being alive and taken up "in the clouds to meet The Messiah in the air" when that which was "decaying and waxing old" DID "vanish away"....... For at that time of "The END" of the old covenant age "The Messiah DID Come Again in the clouds" when the natural, earthly, temporal temple realm centered in old jerusalem was being destroyed. (Hebrew 8:13, I Thessalonians 4:18, Matthew 24:3-14)

"The second death has no power over those who were taken Home in that First Resurrection", when The Messiah DID "Come Again" and "QUICKLY", just as He prophesied! (Revelations 21:6; 3:11)

Prior to that time of "The END" of the old covenant age, Paul had testified that believers were "translated into The Kingdom of GOD's Dear Son"! (Colossians 1:13)

Yet at that time of "the END" of the old covenant age, "The Messiah delivered up The Kingdom unto Our FATHER and GOD and subjected Himself unto HIM, so that Our FATHER and GOD could once again be ALL IN ALL", just as Paul had prophesied in I Corinthians 15:24!

The Kingdom of Our FATHER and GOD IN Heaven WAS, IS, and ALWAYS WILL BE.......

ALL Thanks And Praise Be Unto Our FATHER and GOD! (John 20:17; 14:28, Mark 10:18)

The Messiah had testified, "Behold, I COME QUICKLY! Hold fast that which YOU have, that no man take YOUR crown"! (Revelations 3:11)

"Behold, I COME QUICKLY! Blessed is he that keeps the sayings of the prophecy of this book." (Revelations 22:7)

Behold, I COME QUICKLY! And My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be." (Revelations 22:12)

And once again:

James testified, "Therefore be patient brethren, until The Lord's return! Behold, how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it, until it receives the early and latter rain. You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for The COMING of The Lord IS AT HAND"! (James 4:7-8)

And Paul testified, "YET A LITTLE WHILE! And He that shall come will come, and will not tarry"! (Hebrews 10:37)

And the apostle John testified, "He Who testifies concerning these things said to me, "surely I COME QUICKLY"! Amen(It is so, let it be so). Even so, Come Messiah Immanuel"! (Revelations 22:20)

And The Messiah DID, "COME QUICKLY"! (Revelations 3:11)

The Messiah came at "The END" of the old covenant age when the earthly, natural, temporal temple realm centered in old jerusalem was being destroyed!

That which was "decaying and waxing old" DID "vanish away"! (Hebrews 8:13)

So it is that today The Faithful desire to be taken Home, for a "place has been prepared for them"! (John 14:1-4)

And soon, and very soon, when we receive that final breath(spirit, air), we WILL be taken Home! Home at last!

Till then The Faithful have A Lively, Living Hope Of Heaven, as we await our final transformation, "corruptible to incorruptible" indeed and TRUTH....... For we have REALized that "THY Kingdom(of Our FATHER and GOD in Heaven)" HAS "Come"! (Colossians 1:5, I Corinthians 15:51-53)

And because Hope is Alive! The brethren of The Messiah receive the strength and courage needed to take heed unto The Call of The Only True GOD to:

"Come out of her (babel/confusion/babylon\world\religion), MY people"! (Revelations 18:4)

The Faithful, those "Born Again" "sons of Our FATHER and GOD" and brethren of The Messiah, seek and desire to "Come Out" of all that which is of this evil world! And especially religion's way (except The Active Faith of James 1:27), for religion but carries on the legacy of the pharisee's! (John 3:3,7, I Peter 1:23, John 7:7; 12:25, I John 3:1-2; 5:19)

Simply, there IS Only One "Pure Religion and Undefiled"! (James 1:27)

Not a system! But the Active Faith of those who have been "Born Again"! Those "sons of Our FATHER and GOD" who have their portion !NOW! in "HIS Family, "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"....... (James 2:14-26, John 3:3,7, I Peter 1:23, I John 3:1-2, Philippians 2:15, Ephesians 3:15)

"A Household of Faith" indeed and TRUTH....... (Galatians 6:10, Ephesians 2:19)

Simply, ALL other religion IS "IMPURE and DEFILED"!

For history has revealed, and yet reveals, that multiplied billions have been killed and enslaved(in physical chains at times, yet primarily in the chains of strong delusion that are the commandments and doctrines of men) in the name of the god[s] of this, or that religion!

Proving the fruit of death and enslavement are bore of religion's way,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!

So it is, the brethren of The Messiah will have naught to do with any religion (except The Active Faith bore witness of in James 1:27), for we have our portion !NOW! with The Messiah in The Family of "Our FATHER and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Ephesians 3:15, Galatians 6:10)

http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogs...-religion.html

And NEW "Jerusalem which IS above IS free, and IS !NOW! the mother of us all (sons of Our FATHER and GOD)"! (Galatians 4:26)

So it is, the brethren of The Messiah choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" because we have REALized that "our citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven", and that soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last! (I Peter 2:11, Hebrews 11:13, Philippians 3:20, John 14:2-3)

Till then:

Thankfully "love suffers long"!

For as The Messiah, so also will His brethren "suffer long" while abiding in these "fleshly temples"! And so it is, we "cry unto Our FATHER day and night"....... (I Corinthians 6:19; 13:4, Luke 18:7, John 20:17)

Evermore sounding and resounding a Declaration of Dependence:

FATHER Help!

HE DID! and HE does.......

So Thankfully, "The Peace that surpasses ALL understanding" IS! in spite of the dis-ease (no-peace) that is of this evil world and/or religion's way....... (Philippians 4:7, John 14:27; 7:7, I John 2:15-17; 5:19, James 1:27; 4:4)

ALL Thanks and Praise Be Unto Our FATHER(TRUTH, SPIRIT, CREATOR, GOD, LORD, MASTER, LIGHT, LOVE, LIVE,,,,,,, ALL IN ALL that which IS Truly GOOD)! (John 20:17; 14:28, Mark 10:18)

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That surf board must of cracked you in the head more times than once?

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Oh, did I ever tell you that you were pathetic?

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Interesting.

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Sadly, a pentecostal type religion is but another religion in and of this evil world, and all that shouting and singing is of the flesh and fleshly mind!

TRUTH IS! "Our FATHER" IS indicative of Family, not religion....... (Ephesians 3:15, Galatians 6:10)

Yet 'religion' was needful for the natural jews for they also abode in and of their flesh and fleshly minds!

And sadly, religion is yet needful for "disobedient and gainsaying (contradicting and opposing GOD) people", who are "stiff-necked and uncircumcised of heart and ears"! For the worldly and/or religious ones would rather have a man (Moses/Prophets) than Our FATHER and GOD speak to them, and would rather have a man (Saul/Kings) than Our FATHER and GOD rule over them! (Romans 10:21, Acts 7:51, Exodus 20:19, l Samuel 8:4-21)

"Come out from among them and be separate"!

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Hopefully you would one day REALize that The Messiah spoke The TRUTH when He testified, "Behold, I Come Quickly"!

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You lost me there.

This past Sunday power of God hit mighty strong and we shouted enough to blow the roof off. :nod

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You said he did already?

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i had made two typing errors in that post which i have corrected.

Hopefully you would one day REALize that The Messiah spoke The TRUTH when He testified, "Behold, I Come Quickly"!

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OK, still my question is unanswered.

Do you believe that Jesus already came quickly?

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While breath(spirit, air) is, Hope IS there would be those who would experience The Miracle that IS "receiving a love of The TRUTH so that they might be saved" from their own self ("I", ego, id, pride) life! (II Thessalonians 2:10-13)

Simply, Our FATHER bespeaks of Family, and The Faithful ARE Family! John 20:17; 14:28, Mark 10:18, Ephesians 3:15, Galatians 6:10)

And religion, except it be for the Active Faith of the Only "Pure Religion and Undefiled" bore witness of in James 1:27, IS anti-messiah!

However, religion was and is yet needful for "disobedient and gainsaying (contradicting and opposing GOD) people", who are "stiff-necked and uncircumcised of heart and ears"! For the worldly and/or religious ones would rather have a man (Moses/Prophets) than Our FATHER and GOD speak to them, and would rather have a man (Saul/Kings) than Our FATHER and GOD rule over them! (Romans 10:21, Acts 7:51, Exodus 20:19, l Samuel 8:4-21)

"Come out from among them and be separate"!

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Hopefully you would one day REALize that The Messiah spoke The TRUTH when He testified, "Behold, I Come Quickly"!

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OK, maybe I am not asking the question correctly?

So, let me put it this way...do you believe that Jesus already came quickly?

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Yes! The Messiah, He did come "in the clouds" during that time when the natural, earthly, temporal temple realm centered in old jerusalem DID "decay, wax old, and vanish away"! (I Thessalonians 4:15-17, Hebrews 8:13)

Good night.......

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But you are saying that I have to REALize that?

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I am an Apostolic Pentecostal... in fact my kids are 6th generation Apostolic Pentecostals.

I believe the gifts of the spirit. I believe in and desire to see what we OPs call "high church"

I love a blow out service. In fact the most recent such event at our church moved deeply and peoples lives were changed for the good in those few minutes that likely it would have been YEARS for them to move thru the hurt they had suffered....

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emotionalism is no stamp of approval on some particular doctrine or another. That is a recipe for the fires of hell to grasp your soul!

I do NOT believe in Oneness Theology because some preacher got up and blew it out and the winds of God blew. Ive spent too much time in a pulpit to know how dangerous that is . How easy it is to manipulate people. Emotionalism is no substitute for sound doctrine.

I believe in Oneness Theology because its sound doctrine and my bible tells me to commit myself to sound doctrine.

As a committed Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal with a commitment to all that that entails, I beg you to reject the false teaching bordering on heresy that sound doctrine is validated by emotionalism.

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Well stated, Fred.

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Ferd, dyslexia...

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Da fire didn't fall for Elijah when he preached and prayed the prayer. The fire came down when he was done. I never said (when the preacher gets the people excited, I said when God comes down to validate the message. This is a common excuse for dead church. Come on produce a message where the specific preaching on Preterism is being taugh or preached and God come down. It does not exist. Lolo I say!
1kings18:38Then the fire of the Lord fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The Lord, he is the God; the Lord, he is the God.

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Heh heh, ought to become interesting...

Curiouser and curiouser...

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sorry. you are just trying justify your opening statement. it fails. sound doctrine stands on its own .

Those fires fell for Elijah as the judgment of God on followers of false gods. period.

When Jonathan Edwards stood up and read his sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" the communities around were shaken to their foundations. It was in many ways the foundation of The Great Awakening.

Edwards was Calvinist, Trinitarian, Congregationalist. For you to suggest that validation comes in the form of some kind of wind of God is nonsense and will never ever be the validation of Gods approval. Such teaching is bound to send people to a devils hell!

I will not even look around for some nonsense of people shouting over things I either don't believe or don't care enough about to even consider. But I am not about to suggest that what I DO believe is validated because someone can produce a YouTube video of folk shouting at some sermon where someone said something I do agree with.

People got sideways with emotional response during the Brownwood revival. It was a bunch of charismatics talking about god fill their teeth with gold. by your approach, that's validated theology!

That's crazy. That's not Godly and nowhere in the bible will you find what you are suggesting here. not one single time. and you are misusing scripture trying to suggest Elijah's sermon was validated by the fires of God. That aint what happened. God SENT him to deal with the false prophets. There destruction was ordained before Elijah ever showed up on the scene.

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He is new here, go easy.

LOL

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Brew,
Where did I say emotional response or any work the flesh, or shout? Get your head on things above Bruda You equate the move of God with shouting no way. But I do know he does validate his message and his man. I said when God comes down. Don't try to change what I mean because you believe this Preterism dawgma. Bug

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your words:
"but in our meetings the power is manifest and the people walk away with singing shouting and saying WHAT A GREAT GOD!!!!"

emotionalism. period.

I am for all of those things. I believe in all of those things. But those things are NOT the validation of sound doctrine.

Sound Doctrine IS the validation for sound doctrine.

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Quite obvious that you have never experienced The Miracle that is "receiving a love of The TRUTH so that you might be saved" from your own self ("I", ego, id, pride) life!

Simply sad for you.......

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YES! Only The TRUTH IS TRUTH!

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I don't believe anyones ministry is validated until they cast out demons.

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Afta God comes down, and service is over (people walk away) that's how one feels like singing, dancing and giving God Praise. Do they not? I guess if you are preterist you give man praise. Hawhawlolo

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objective truth is virtually non existent, imo. I only wish i had realized it earlier.

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that is too easily faked, imo--i insist upon walking on water! :lol

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I am not a preterist. im kind of an I don't know ist.

I don't know when Jesus is coming back but im prepared to either live for him until I die or until he calls me home.

However, no one gets to make even the slightest attack on the Reverend Benincasa that he does not love the Truth. The man is a preacher of the Truth and a principled minister of the gospel.

he probably isn't happy with me defending him.

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