When a futurist says he will pay you back soon. .
 

Don't expect to see it in your lifetime. :)

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When you ask a Preterist for the money you loaned him he'll say, that he already paid you.:heeheehee

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Lol

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:highfive

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LOL

Jesus done paid it all.....

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Better yet, the preterist will say he will metaphorically pay you back.

You can kiss you money goodbye!....LOL

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When a preterist lies to his kid about something, he just says he was speaking in metaphors.

When he lies to his wife about something, she does not use metaphors on his head with her frying pan.:nod

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Metaphors are lies are metaphors; the antimetabole

“Truth was long viewed as consisting primarily in mental correspondence with reality: true thoughts represent things as they are, […] and true utterances translate the true thoughts into communicable signs.” (Hallett, 2011: 34) This definition of truth did not mention metaphors. Indeed, for many linguistic scholars who have carried researches about metaphors (Levin, Searle, Davidson, Lakoff or Johnson, to name but a few), it has been agreed that these figures of speech are lies, ...

Secondly, we can, from the previous example, draw the conclusion that metaphors are nothing but semantic falsehood; in short, they are lies.....

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zF5wCPbD3zR0xA

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Now, can anyone on AFF staightfacedly tell us that Jesus or the Apostles taught in metaphors?

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Metaphor
MET'APHOR, n. [Gr. to transfer, over, to carry.] A short similitude; a similitude reduced to a single word; or a word expressing similitude without the signs of comparison. Thus "that man is a fox," is a metaphor; but "that man is like a fox," is a similitude or comparison. So when I say, "the soldiers fought like lions," I use a similitude. In metaphor, the similitude is contained in the name; a man is a fox, means, a man is as crafty as a fox. So we say, a man bridles his anger, that is, restrains it as a bridle restrains a horse. Beauty awakens love or tender passions; opposition fires courage.

Let us use the words of Jesus to answer your little question Grasshopper.

Luk 13:31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
Luk 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

Next question ?

:happydance

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Is that a "metaphor"?

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Is it ?

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Or maybe a "comparison" to an animal?

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com·par·i·son
kəmˈperəsən/
noun
1.
the act or instance of comparing.

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Think hard.

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Sean, I answered your question.

That definition was from Websters.

It used a fox in that definition.

I went to the Word and Used fox, using the words of Jesus Himself, in answer to your question, and slamdunked it!!!!

:laffatu

Next question.

Now you are arguing with Websters.

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I bet you are....

You usually do when you been thumped on the noggin'....

:heeheehee

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So Websters is asserting that Jesus lied?

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Could the creators of Websters be preterists?

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Websters says Jesus lied here?...

Luk 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.



Metaphors are lies are metaphors; the antimetabole

“Truth was long viewed as consisting primarily in mental correspondence with reality: true thoughts represent things as they are, […] and true utterances translate the true thoughts into communicable signs.” (Hallett, 2011: 34) This definition of truth did not mention metaphors. Indeed, for many linguistic scholars who have carried researches about metaphors (Levin, Searle, Davidson, Lakoff or Johnson, to name but a few), it has been agreed that these figures of speech are lies, ...

Secondly, we can, from the previous example, draw the conclusion that metaphors are nothing but semantic falsehood; in short, they are lies.....


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zF5wCPbD3zR0xA

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Sean,

You were showed up and you know it. Concede like a man and go on to the next point you want to try to make.

:nod

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You use lying Google and I will use Truthful Websters.

I am right and you are wrong.

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Nah nah nah nah nahhhhh nah!

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So you think Jesus lied, rather than used a comparison?

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Was "the underground railroad" a lie?

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Websters doesn't call a metaphor a lie. Look at it again Sean, read.... real.... slow......

A metaphor is a metaphor.

What does Jesus call Herod? A fox. He was using a metaphor. Was Herod a literal fox? Of course not!

Did Jesus lie?

You answer that question.

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Now Bowas, according to Sean it must be a literal underground railroad!

You quit bringing up sensibility now! :highfive

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Uhhhhh Sean.....

Where are you?

Did I run you off?

Come in Sean!

Concede Sean!

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In contrast, two leading theorists emphasize the fact that truth conditions cannot be specified for a metaphor. Max Black maintains that metaphors are too open-ended to be able to function as referring expressions, and so cannot be expressions which have truth conditions (Black 1962). If metaphors are used in contexts where precise terminology is expected, for example, in a scientific theory, then their role, Black argues, is purely heuristic, that is, they are means to an end or ways of assisting understanding, rather than being terms which can be tested for truth or falsity (Black 1962, p. 37). Donald Davidson also thinks it is a mistake to look for the truth conditions of a metaphor, since, in his words, "much of what we are caused to notice [in a metaphor] is not propositional in character", that is to say, metaphor is a prompt to thought which cannot be reduced to or contained by a series of truth conditions (Davidson 1984, p. 263). What metaphor does, Davidson maintains, is make us see one thing as something else by "making [a] literal statement that inspires or prompts the insight" (Davidson 1984, p. 263). Seeing one thing as something else is not the recognition of some truth or fact, and so "the attempt to give literal expression to the content of the metaphor is simply misguided."(Davidson 1984, p. 263)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...lmAqFr9Ow8Mbgg




Should we term the Word of God as metaphors?

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Educators view it as a form of lying.

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Again, should we tell folks that Jesus "metaphorized', or simply made comparisons(types).

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Even futurist say Jesus "metaphorized" in some instances.

I think the verbage we use is improper.

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The definition of a metaphor has slight, lying implication....


met·a·phor
ˈmedəˌfôr,ˈmedəˌfər/
noun
a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.
"“I had fallen through a trapdoor of depression,” said Mark, who was fond of theatrical metaphors"
synonyms: figure of speech, image, trope, analogy, comparison, symbol, word painting/picture
"the profusion of metaphors in her everyday speech has gotten pretty tiresome"
a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, especially something abstract.

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Use of metaphors in the Bible, creates OPEN ENDED assertions in Biblical language, which open doors to multiple opinions, rather than one visible truth.

Calling the Bible metaphoric, creates multiple belief systems(as we clearly see today).

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Case in point....

The Bible says that hell is real.

If a man thinks hell is NOT real, then he simply says the verses of hell in the Bible are "METAPHORICAL" in nature.

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Yeah. You're right. Silly me.

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The underground railroad was a metaphoric term for something else.

The slave owners saw it as a lie(deception).(It was not a railroad at all, but a system to rescue slaves)

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That's Preterism, but "some" futurist don't even believe Jesus is a King over anything.

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Really?

Where are you getting this information that the slave owners were focused on the term not being literally for a subway? Sean, you make it up as you go along. It must be gut splitting hilarious to see you square off with anyone who opposes your baloney. I believe you would meltdown in 15 minutes in a one on one. The stuff you post is down right farcical.

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Another example of both futurists and preterists metaphorizing(misrepresenting) the Bible....

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

This passage is written to future Israel only.

However, both futurists AND preterists think this is "METAPHORICALLY" written to the church.

This is a "metaphoric" lie.

It only speaks of future Israel, quoting Jeremiah 31.