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Since we get a lot of reports here about Caucasians killing African Americans in cold blood, thought I'd bring some levity here with an article about the opposite. There won't be riots in the street. There won't be a rally with Donald Trump, or Rush Limbaugh, or Reverends Joel Osteen and Bill Hybels demanding justice and stirring up racial tension.

The truth is there is evil in the world. It's cursed by sin. White people do wicked things. Black people do wicked things. It isn't one sided. All have sinned. Politicizing every act of violence doesn't solve the problem of crime.

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworl...ce=infinite-up

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You know, I am just so tired of hearing about the crime and murders committed by black people. I don't know how it can be addressed and it frustrates me to no end.

Every time there is some heinous story, I read about it and on the inside hope that it wasn't committed by a black person. On the most heinous acts, sometimes I'm relieved (if that is even possible) and other times, my fears are confirmed-- another black person has turn to crime.

On one hand you have many white conservatives who watch the news, see the stats, and they lump all blacks together in their discussions about race and crime in America-- usually without mentioning that all races have their criminals because the crimes committed by blacks (usually against other blacks) is what gets reported. When they address it among their circles, it is never in a way that is conducive to actual dialogue and workable solutions are never discussed.

On the other hand, you have white, black and all the other races that tend to have a liberal political view point. They watch the news, see the stats, and make excuses. This honestly baffles me! They readily acknowledge that all races have criminals, but they refuse to specifically address the crime patterns that are associated specifically with blacks and in some areas Hispanics. OF COURSE THE RACE OF THE PERPETRATORS doesn't play some kind of genetic factor where blacks are just pre-disposed to becoming criminals, but in America, there is a serious issue with crime in poor majority-minority communities-- and it spills into the not so poor, and more affluent and more diverse areas. Liberals don't address the racial realities associated with crime in America.

As a black man, I don't do anyone in favors in sugar-coating the crime problems that permeate poor black areas and the black people that commit these heinous acts.

As a black man, when white conservatives address these issues, they really do come off as racially prejudiced, even if I suspect they're not.

As a black man, liberals of all races just seem oblivious to these issues.

It is just so honestly frustrating!

Most blacks are not criminals. Most poor blacks would rather not have their communities be unsafe. Everyone seems so powerless to address these issues.

So we don't address it because it's not a problem, right? It's not a problem until your family member turns to a life of crime, makes a boneheaded criminal decision that shames your family, or God forbid, until your family member becomes a victim.


It doesn't have to be this way, but it is and it has been for a long time (at least since my childhood).

There are just so many wonderful, productive, positive blacks in America, not just saying that either-- but the criminal element brings me great shame, yes shame and grief.

Some liberals even point to stats that show that the crime rate has been going down in urban areas and in majority-minority areas for years now. Even if that is true, the decline needs to happen faster.

I wish I could end this post with a solution.

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JD - I have spent a lot of time working with young black men.
One thing seems to be a big factor between their success and failure.
That is the influence of a father.
Now there are always exceptions, but that is how it seems to me.
I also offer no solutions.
One story offers an example.
I poured my heart and soul into a young man who was intelligent, talented, charismatic, everything that you could want him to be.
However, a series of bad decisions, influenced by family members, led him to jail, where he has been for about 7 years and has another 3 to go.
God help us.

It's that rap junk.

And no, I'm not kidding. It's not the whole of the problem, but it certainly is a large contributor, along with absent fathers and poor family role models.

When you have rappers glorifying "gangsta" life, murders, drugs, loose women etc, it has an effect.

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It's the Jews.
(j/k)

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Im tired of hearing every new story being used for political/Social purposes....turning everything into a matter of race

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:nod

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The people who run the entertainment industry, mainly zionist pigs, want things like rap music to represent black culture.

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There have been several people who were influential in other areas of my life, who tried to tell me that the Jews were behind the scenes, encouraging immorality, a lack of respect for authority, and violence in the black America subculture.

I have always resisted the urge to blame "the Jews" or whites in general for every malady in our community.

Even if the record labels, advertising executives, and everyone else in the 80's and 90's and early 2000's were Jewish, it takes too much away from the individual's sense of responsibility to blame everything on Jews.

Whites encouraged the assassination of Malcolm X, but blacks pulled the trigger.

CIA/FBI may have funneled drugs into the black communities in the 1960's and 1970's-- but who made the individual use drugs in the first place? Who made the individual sell drugs to their neighbors?

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I hear you I really do. I used to think like that. But what do you expect poor and impoverished with little hope to do?

And the cycle continues. Cause what else do you expect of poor, hopeless people.

:nah

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Its up to them to break the cycle. Thats the truth. But in some places sports, music, and drugs are the only way out. I have seen it first hand. Its ok David, I would expect people like to you realize this or sympathize with certain people's circumstances.

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Thanks for posting this by the way. A black man killed a white person. All racism against blacks is a lie. All races are treated equal in this un racist country of ours.

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How do we know that?

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A really great and heartfelt post JD. Jesus is the solution ultimately. Jesus & personal responsibility. Every individual has to know that they have to choose for themselves who they will serve and what they will do. Blame, bitterness, hatred, racism, etc only obfuscates what each one of us has to do---taking responsibility for our own lives. The greatest responsibility is to choose Jesus! Then rolling up our sleeves and working hard to rise above life's challenges and doing something worthwhile with our lives.

Government won't lead one to Jesus---or solve the issue of personal responsibility. It's going to take family, friends, and the community to work together to influence our children to learn and to know what life is all about.

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LOL and the Freemasons and the black helicopters...

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Plenty of testimonies of people who rose above poverty to take personal responsibility for their lives and made a positive contribution to society. If those who turn to drugs and crime would put as much effort into rising above their circumstances as they do breaking into homes, mugging people, carjacking, selling drugs, prostituion, etc they could do something productive with their lives. The same principles of planning and taking action to commit crimes could be applied to education and entrepreneurial activity. There are many, many examples within the AA community---a rising black middle class and upper middle class---businessmen and women, leaders in corporate America, education, government, medicine, in the courts, etc that no one has an excuse to blame poverty for destructive choices.

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70% of AA children are born to single mothers. This stat alone is huge. Single moms are more likely to be poor and live in squalor. Children desperately need fathers and mothers---a family working together to raise up a child with values and self respect. Don't know how that fact changes, but somehow it has to.

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The largest single indicator/marker of poverty is a single family household.

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Well I was among the poorest of the poor with zero hope of doing anything with my life.

I was surrounded by drugs, never did drugs.
I was surrounded by violence, never killed anyone.
I was surrounded by thieves, only stole food a few times.
(Yes I stole food, not proud of it, but when you are hungry, you kind of get desperate)

No poverty does not create criminals, plenty of poor people are not criminals.

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Yes poverty does create criminals. However, not everyone who is poor turns into criminals.

Plenty of criminals are rich as well.

It's not the socio economic status, it's the heart of the person as to whether or not they will become a criminal.

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You are full of baloney.

You have no idea of what is like to be extremely poor, you speak nonsense.

I slept in the sidewalks covered with a bed made of cardboard and newspapers as my blankets.

I dug thru trash fills finding anything of value that could be sold.

Before you go making foolish statements about poverty, perhaps you should experience some.

I have a right to speak about poverty, because I experience it, you did not.

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What is your deal? What creates criminals? Socio-economical standing has a lot to do with it. Most criminals want more money because they are poor. I didnt say all poor people are criminals. I just said the majority who turn to crime are poor.

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Is this a contest of who was the most poor? I have burnt into my memory a missionary years ago showing a slide of a poor guy that was skin and bones from starvation and sleeping in the gutters on the street in an impoverished country. In America, even the poorest among us would call living in that condition "Hell". The missionary stated that even though they are living in a situation of "Hell" on earth, if they die without Jesus, they still will go to Hell!

That slide and thought really broke my teenage heart!

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POTD!!

:thumbsup:thumbsup

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It is not the economics that cause the criminals. It is the imorality that causes much of the poverty. Fornication leads to many fatherless homes. Fatherless homes leads to a lack of discipline and instruction in youth which affects them later in their choices. People fail to break the cycle, but the root is not poverty, instead it is the byproduct.

Liberals like to say we should throw more money into these communities and help out. Unless there is a change in the people then increased subsidies will do nothing but motivate people to not do better. If I tell someone they can't help it enough then eventually they are going to see themselves through that lens.

Many politicians wants to keep these communities poor and dependent. I don't like to see all this dependency on a big brother government to help us do everything. The bottom line is that people need Jesus. Economics isn't the problem, but it is a godlessness society.

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By the way that missionary did not pay me for that picture.
or even buy me a meal, what a rip off. :foottap

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Actually God took me from living in a city dumpfill and sleeping among the trash and sent me in a long journey which changed my whole life.

Many years later I was saved in Germany, where I was baptized in the glorious name of Jesus and filled with his mighty spirit.

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All praise to the White Jesus :lol

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ya, the rip off is the tip off, hello. You coulda went right down the street and got 3 hots and a cot, anywhere in America. Or Germany. Stop playin' :lol

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I was not born or raised in America or Germany.

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well then at least your misplaced statist zeal might be forgiven. Poverty may not "cause" crime, but surely rampant inequality does, especially combined with the endless prosperity programming from tv, and enforced through for-profit prisons. How did you fall in with the proud ones, if you started so humbly?

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You misunderstand Jesus.
When I became a Christian I fell in with the humble ones.
Christians are the humble ones.

The Lord bless me because I worked hard to earn everything that I now have.
In America you can still rise from abject poverty.
In other countries it is a lot harder, too many obstacles.
Rampant inequality is really rampant in other countries.
I am not rich, but I have enough.

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i love how i'm so often being told lately how i misunderstand Christ and the Bible, by "Christians" who wish they could drone-bomb from their armchairs.

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We love how you seem to be the only true "Christian" who knows really what's going on---not because you are so in tune with God---but because you immerse yourself in whack job websites and conspiracy groups.

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um, 35% of America is ready to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, DB. Try again.

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8 times out 10 you make up statistics.

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hmm, i'm pretty sure i have haters fact-checking every post, DB--all you've come up with so far is an irrelevant misplaced date. Do i look like the guy who stole your girl or something? :lol sheesh. Look, i appreciate your posts, as i am not that sharp a guy, and you make me look better; but if you really believe the povs that you are defending most of the time, you are really going to be surprised at some point.

You have been unfairly deceived, because satan is not fair. All this "there is no such thing as Conspiracy Theories, because look Fox News" is really going to blow up in your face someday; and then of course you will have to find another forum to spew hate on, and where will i be then? :D

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i mean, really, man--you can be counted on to post the most vile yack from the 'net--"murder as levity," and belittle and condemn any attempts at a different pov. Don't you fear God even a little?