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deacon blues 12-07-2015 10:52 AM

Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Our government is very careful to identify terrorists separate from Islam. We hear it stated over and over again that Islam is a religion of peace. We are told that the vast majority of Muslims reject jihad, terrorism, and the defeat of Western civilization and culture. Yet somehow terrorists and terror sponsoring nations seem to find a strong connection from their faith to their rhetoric and acts of violence and murder.

I say Islam inspires jihad---that it is a clear teaching from the Koran. Mohammed was a warrior and killed many throughout his lifetime. I say Islam does not promote peace but promotes global conquest. I say most Muslims openly or privately Believe in what terrorists are doing.

Ferd 12-07-2015 11:24 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Well, here is the utter and complete truth about ISIS.

They have done NOTHING that falls outside of orthodox islam. Everything they have done is in keeping with the Koran and the Hadith.

ISIS in particular is executing the well defined plan outlined in muslim law and tradition, based purely upon the writings of Muhammad to re-establish the caliphate.

if you want to call that terror you aren't a muslim.

Now closer to home, the majority of Muslims believe that Sharia should be the law of the land. Even in America, muslims believe where the constitution conflicts with Sharia, it needs to change to fit sharia, not the other way round.

that isn't terrorism but it does mean that given time and numbers every nation on the planet that gets a majority muslim population will get sharia. period.

Islam is not a religion. It is a governmental structure... and ideology that controls every facet of society. that isn't really terrorism... unless you aren't a muslim.

shazeep 12-07-2015 12:26 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
gee, a Muslim terrorist post from DB, who would have suspected.

hey OP, you suggest hundreds of millions of bloodthirsty Muslims are slobbering for your blood; witness how many Muslims have ever caused you any harm, or even the least bit of trouble.

OP- "Well, that isn't the point. Just look at the news."

Hey Ahmed, have any Christians ever darkened your door?

Ahmed- "Lol, you are kidding, right? I'm evacuating right now, because the Israelis have pulled up all my olive trees, and my cousin got drone bombed this morning, and we are now starving. I don't know if these oppressors are Christians, but i know who finances Israel, and i know where drone bombs come from, and they are telling me that all Muslims are lost, which is why I'm a terrorist."

Ferd 12-07-2015 01:16 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1409678)
gee, a Muslim terrorist post from DB, who would have suspected.

hey OP, you suggest hundreds of millions of bloodthirsty Muslims are slobbering for your blood; witness how many Muslims have ever caused you any harm, or even the least bit of trouble.

OP- "Well, that isn't the point. Just look at the news."

Hey Ahmed, have any Christians ever darkened your door?

Ahmed- "Lol, you are kidding, right? I'm evacuating right now, because the Israelis have pulled up all my olive trees, and my cousin got drone bombed this morning, and we are now starving. I don't know if these oppressors are Christians, but i know who finances Israel, and i know where drone bombs come from, and they are telling me that all Muslims are lost, which is why I'm a terrorist."

if you are passing off ahmed as actual im calling you out for lying.

if achmed wants to not die then he and his people just need to stop trying to kill jews.

bottom line every muslim wants every jew dead.
every jew just wants to be left alone.


FACT
If the Palistinians put down their weapons and purposed to live at peace with Israel, they would have a state and would have Jewish DOLLARS to support them.

IF on the otherhand Israel put down its guns, every jew in Israel would be dead by noon the next day.

shazeep 12-07-2015 01:19 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
yes, Ferd, because despite all our dogma, and faith in God, God actually has no power, and does not really hold anyone's lives in their hand; We should all fear evil. Gotcha.

Sean 12-07-2015 03:03 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1409642)
Our government is very careful to identify terrorists separate from Islam. We hear it stated over and over again that Islam is a religion of peace. We are told that the vast majority of Muslims reject jihad, terrorism, and the defeat of Western civilization and culture. Yet somehow terrorists and terror sponsoring nations seem to find a strong connection from their faith to their rhetoric and acts of violence and murder.

I say Islam inspires jihad---that it is a clear teaching from the Koran. Mohammed was a warrior and killed many throughout his lifetime. I say Islam does not promote peace but promotes global conquest. I say most Muslims openly or privately Believe in what terrorists are doing.




:thumbsup:nod:yourock

Sean 12-07-2015 03:04 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
DB, I have NEVER heard ANY Muslim say these jihadists are going to hell....not once...ever!

Sean 12-07-2015 03:05 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
These jihadists are the "unsung heroes" of Islam!

Sean 12-07-2015 03:06 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
They are the superheroes in Palestinian cartoons, also.


http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...vile-cartoons/

https://youtu.be/VWwCKvvodBA .......For kids

Esaias 12-07-2015 04:04 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Does Islam inspire terrorism? Maybe, maybe not. But terrorism sure does inspire a huge, bloated 'security' budget, which makes a lot of non Muslims very wealthy...

Chateau d'If 12-07-2015 04:38 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
I do not believe all Muslims are terrorists.

I do believe all Muslims have more sympathy for the terrorists than they do for their Christian, Jewish and secular American victims.

Jermyn Davidson 12-07-2015 05:10 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
There are over 1 BILLION Muslims in the world.

If the ways of ISIS was par for the course for ordinary, orthodox Islam, there would be so much more chaos, death and destruction.

However, the ways of ISIS are not "business as usual" for most of the over 1 BILLION Muslims on earth right now. Many conservatives are purposefully turning their eyes away from the decent human beings caught up in a false religion as they choose to focus on Islamic idiots and choose to hold Muslims in general responsible for the actions of a few.

It's just another form of prejudice.

American conservatives have to be better than some body. They have demonize some body.

Jermyn Davidson 12-07-2015 05:11 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1409751)
Does Islam inspire terrorism? Maybe, maybe not. But terrorism sure does inspire a huge, bloated 'security' budget, which makes a lot of non Muslims very wealthy...

That is only part of the phenomenon.

mfblume 12-07-2015 05:53 PM

There are no Christian terrorists.

Evang.Benincasa 12-07-2015 07:40 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1409751)
Does Islam inspire terrorism? Maybe, maybe not. But terrorism sure does inspire a huge, bloated 'security' budget, which makes a lot of non Muslims very wealthy...

Some phenomenon :lol

Rudy 12-08-2015 01:32 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
The 3 ingredients of Islam -- Religion-political-military-. Trilogy of terror.

deacon blues 12-08-2015 07:02 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1409686)
if you are passing off ahmed as actual im calling you out for lying.

if achmed wants to not die then he and his people just need to stop trying to kill jews.

bottom line every muslim wants every jew dead.
every jew just wants to be left alone.


FACT
If the Palistinians put down their weapons and purposed to live at peace with Israel, they would have a state and would have Jewish DOLLARS to support them.

IF on the otherhand Israel put down its guns, every jew in Israel would be dead by noon the next day.

The truth---plain and simple.

deacon blues 12-08-2015 07:07 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1409733)
DB, I have NEVER heard ANY Muslim say these jihadists are going to hell....not once...ever!

Good point! Where are the Muslim leaders---religious and/or political---coming out publicly denouncing acts of terrorism?

I have yet to see the leader of any Muslim nation speak plainly and strongly condemning terrorist actions.

More Muslims are in support, overtly or tacitly, of the goals and aims of terrorism.

Dordrecht 12-08-2015 07:10 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1409657)
Well, here is the utter and complete truth about ISIS.

They have done NOTHING that falls outside of orthodox islam. Everything they have done is in keeping with the Koran and the Hadith.

ISIS in particular is executing the well defined plan outlined in muslim law and tradition, based purely upon the writings of Muhammad to re-establish the caliphate.

if you want to call that terror you aren't a muslim.

Now closer to home, the majority of Muslims believe that Sharia should be the law of the land. Even in America, muslims believe where the constitution conflicts with Sharia, it needs to change to fit sharia, not the other way round.

that isn't terrorism but it does mean that given time and numbers every nation on the planet that gets a majority muslim population will get sharia. period.

Islam is not a religion. It is a governmental structure... and ideology that controls every facet of society. that isn't really terrorism... unless you aren't a muslim.

Good post. I agree.
Well said.

Read the koran and you know what they are all about.

A peaceful muslim is not a real muslim.

deacon blues 12-08-2015 07:12 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1409751)
Does Islam inspire terrorism? Maybe, maybe not. But terrorism sure does inspire a huge, bloated 'security' budget, which makes a lot of non Muslims very wealthy...

Yeah, let's focus on the REAL problem. Imagine American entrepreneurs making money! The motivation to make money is the real problem in our country! God forbid that the drive to grow industry, provide jobs, make the economy more healthy!

Evang.Benincasa 12-08-2015 11:14 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
So what's the plan? Outlaw the religion? Put all the followers of the religion on a watch list wether they committed crimes or not?

I can see all the passion, but not a lot of forethought.

Ferd 12-08-2015 11:35 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1409907)
So what's the plan? Outlaw the religion? Put all the followers of the religion on a watch list wether they committed crimes or not?

I can see all the passion, but not a lot of forethought.

honestly im baffled.

I understand the problem. Its clear what the problem is.

Now the solution? Man I don't even know which direction to go to get to the place where actual solutions can be discussed... tossing out the bad and refining the not so bad...

I get your point. its a dangerous road blaming a religion for something. because once you get that messed cleaned up, what religion is next?

This is a very bad problem and I for one don't see any good solutions.

Bottom line here is that Islam is like no other religion on the planet. It is the only major religion that calls for the death of those who do not believe, and it is the only religion that codifies not simple a religious belief system, BUT an entire societal structure that includes government run solely by those who are faithful to the religion.


That makes it utterly unique in the world and its billion adherents uniquely dangerous.

Ferd 12-08-2015 11:38 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
This is a long read but it should be required reading for anyone who seeks to understand ISIS and where they come from.

I don't agree with everything here, but it is eye opening. This is The Atlantic Mag.
It is not some conservative myopic. It is well done and very balanced. It gives some very interesting insights not only into ISIS but also into where mainstream islam meets radicalization.

There is also a very interesting section where a radical cleric explains what it is that islam is supposed to do. reading that gave me a very different understanding of why the American Progressives seem to be far less bothered by these guys than the American Right.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-wants/384980/

Pressing-On 12-08-2015 11:46 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1409913)
honestly im baffled.

I understand the problem. Its clear what the problem is.

Now the solution? Man I don't even know which direction to go to get to the place where actual solutions can be discussed... tossing out the bad and refining the not so bad...

I get your point. its a dangerous road blaming a religion for something. because once you get that messed cleaned up, what religion is next?

This is a very bad problem and I for one don't see any good solutions.

Bottom line here is that Islam is like no other religion on the planet. It is the only major religion that calls for the death of those who do not believe, and it is the only religion that codifies not simple a religious belief system, BUT an entire societal structure that includes government run solely by those who are faithful to the religion.


That makes it utterly unique in the world and its billion adherents uniquely dangerous.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Pressing-On 12-08-2015 11:47 AM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1409915)
This is a long read but it should be required reading for anyone who seeks to understand ISIS and where they come from.

I don't agree with everything here, but it is eye opening. This is The Atlantic Mag.
It is not some conservative myopic. It is well done and very balanced. It gives some very interesting insights not only into ISIS but also into where mainstream islam meets radicalization.

There is also a very interesting section where a radical cleric explains what it is that islam is supposed to do. reading that gave me a very different understanding of why the American Progressives seem to be far less bothered by these guys than the American Right.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-wants/384980/

:thumbsup:thumbsup

"We are misled in a second way, by a well-intentioned but dishonest campaign to deny the Islamic State’s medieval religious nature."

Evang.Benincasa 12-08-2015 12:09 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1409913)
honestly im baffled.

I understand the problem. Its clear what the problem is.

Now the solution? Man I don't even know which direction to go to get to the place where actual solutions can be discussed... tossing out the bad and refining the not so bad...

I get your point. its a dangerous road blaming a religion for something. because once you get that messed cleaned up, what religion is next?

This is a very bad problem and I for one don't see any good solutions.

Bottom line here is that Islam is like no other religion on the planet. It is the only major religion that calls for the death of those who do not believe, and it is the only religion that codifies not simple a religious belief system, BUT an entire societal structure that includes government run solely by those who are faithful to the religion.


That makes it utterly unique in the world and its billion adherents uniquely dangerous.

Brother Ferd you know me, I only care about the Apostolic Pentecostals. Any other religion is on their own, I'm not called to advocate them or defend their beliefs. But this has happened everytime a group is demonized. Yes Islam, the Quran, and Hadiths have issues. But in the Nazi propaganda movie "The Eternal Jew" they took the Bible to prove that there was a danger with Jews.

My main concern is who is next? Hey the ball is already moving at break neck speed. It is only a matter of time before Muslims in the United States start swinging from a rope, having their homes and masjids firebombed. Hey I pray it doesn't happen, I pray no child has to hide behind her dad while the neighbors are screaming at the Muslim family to move out. All I'm saying is that we will all be judged on how we deal with this, and if one group goes down hard then another will be placed in the cross hairs. It is just lessons from history, and if we don't learn those lessons we must repeat until the lessons are learned.

Ferd 12-08-2015 12:28 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1409928)
Brother Ferd you know me, I only care about the Apostolic Pentecostals. Any other religion is on their own, I'm not called to advocate them or defend their beliefs. But this has happened everytime a group is demonized. Yes Islam, the Quran, and Hadiths have issues. But in the Nazi propaganda movie "The Eternal Jew" they took the Bible to prove that there was a danger with Jews.

My main concern is who is next? Hey the ball is already moving at break neck speed. It is only a matter of time before Muslims in the United States start swinging from a rope, having their homes and masjids firebombed. Hey I pray it doesn't happen, I pray no child has to hide behind her dad while the neighbors are screaming at the Muslim family to move out. All I'm saying is that we will all be judged on how we deal with this, and if one group goes down hard then another will be placed in the cross hairs. It is just lessons from history, and if we don't learn those lessons we must repeat until the lessons are learned.

I don't disagree with you at all. it is utterly complicated. and WHO IS NEXT is hugely important. because there will be a "next"...

aegsm76 12-08-2015 01:17 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
There are some things being missed here.
ISIS/ISIL is Sunni Muslim. Most of our Muslim allies are Sunni.
This is why they have been reluctant to overtly oppose them.
Iran is Shia.
The battle in the Mid East is over much more than Israel/America/Oil, it is a over the largest two sects in Islam fighting to see who will dominate.
I have a friend who has a church in the Middle East. I will not mention where, because it would mean problems for him.
He was born and raised where he now pastors. He privately believes that Islam is a demonic religion. He says that they teach that true Muslims must learn the Koran in Arabic, because when you recite the Koran in Arabic, it will put you in a trance-like state. He cannot teach this openly and he does not discuss this with his saints. He does have several ex-Muslims that are now Apostolic.

Pressing-On 12-08-2015 01:27 PM

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...9563124380.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3tk5PLBd5

Leaving out sleeper cells and person's acting alone....

Pressing-On 12-08-2015 01:39 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1409932)
I don't disagree with you at all. it is utterly complicated. and WHO IS NEXT is hugely important. because there will be a "next"...

I don't see the "next" one to come unless they are a religion of death. You don't see Christianity, as a whole, taking up for people who act out in the name of their beliefs, i.e. Fred Phelps, and that guy down in Florida who wanted to start burning Koran's.

Seriously, we have men and women in the music profession and Hollywood who thank God for the awards they receive when their songs are putrid and their actions are ungodly. They do true Christianity no favors.

We will suffer persecution, but God will arise and we will do exploits in His name. If the whole of the United States was like this man, we would turn the world upside down.

Look at this interview with a Boko Haran survivor and Greta VanSusteren. Incidentally, she shows how she and so many others, who control our news cycles, have no clue what Christianity is really about.


Greta: You’re not full of hate? I mean, about Boko Haran. I would be so full of bitterness and hate, I guess.

Boko Haran survivor: No, the teachings. We already have the teachings – that we would love our enemies. We would love them and pray for them. I love them, and I am praying that God will open their eyes one day.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/384600220...#sp=show-clips

TJJJ 12-08-2015 02:21 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1409768)
There are no Christian terrorists.

THESE GUYS HAVE MISSED WHAT YOU SAID!!!!!


They don't get the Irony of it at all!!!!

If you kill and destroy as a Moslem then you can stay a Moslem, but if you kill and terrorize, thinking you are a Christian, then you no longer remain a Christian!

WOW

Evang.Benincasa 12-08-2015 02:49 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1409976)
THESE GUYS HAVE MISSED WHAT YOU SAID!!!!!


They don't get the Irony of it at all!!!!

If you kill and destroy as a Moslem then you can stay a Moslem, but if you kill and terrorize, thinking you are a Christian, then you no longer remain a Christian!

WOW

:highfive:thumbsup

Praxeas 12-08-2015 03:55 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If (Post 1409754)
I do not believe all Muslims are terrorists.

I do believe all Muslims have more sympathy for the terrorists than they do for their Christian, Jewish and secular American victims.

Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all terrorists are Muslims
Id say right now MOST Terrorists are Muslim.

Esaias 12-08-2015 05:14 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
One thing that is interesting, is many 'Muslim terrorists' who have gotten fame for attacking the west did not live like Muslims (partying, drinking, clubbing, etc)...

Evang.Benincasa 12-08-2015 06:12 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1410008)
One thing that is interesting, is many 'Muslim terrorists' who have gotten fame for attacking the west did not live like Muslims (partying, drinking, clubbing, etc)...

I told that to an individual...he said it didn't matter.

"Once a Muslim always a Muslim!"

The way people talk about Muslims you would think they're in the most devout religion with only 1% ever backsliding.

mfblume 12-08-2015 10:10 PM

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From: http://worldrevivalnetwork.blogspot....ddle-east.html
The churning, tempestuous world looks remarkably different than many imagine. This is undoubtedly true if you're an average American.

In the darkest corners of the Middle-East there’s a revival beginning that's unprecedented in the history of world missions. I've previously reflected on it here and here, but I wanted to take this amazing story further than before.

I hope that you'll journey with me as I explore unbelievable developments in the expansion of Christianity in the Middle-East.

Reliable reports suggest more Muslims have become followers of Jesus over the last two decades than in Islam's combined 1,500 year history. Based on the accounts of several missiologists, it has been surmised that “more Muslims have committed to follow Christ in the last 10 years than in the last 15 centuries of Islam.”[1] In spite of great difficulty and turmoil, Christianity is unquestionably expanding throughout Islamic world. God is up to something amazing in a region that many have thought was unreachable.

Rosenberg's Insights Into The Middle-Eastern Revival

Joel Rosenberg, an Evangelical researcher, author, and resident of Israel has documented the recent upsurge of Christianity in the Middle-East. Through first-hand reconnaissance, coupled with reports from Arabic nationals, Rosenberg demonstrates that Christianity is rising rapidly in the world of Islam.

Admittedly some of the following statistics have shifted in the aftermath of the Isis and other violent demonstrations against Christians. Those who follow Jesus have been slaughtered and have experienced severe persecution in this region. Nevertheless, Joel Rosenberg’s observations provide a window into many amazing developments.

Some of the particulars can certainly be debated, but in many of the Mediterranean nations, Christianity is making extraordinary inroads. Though the subsequent conversion figures are impossible to confirm, even in their imprecision, they provide a snapshot of what's transpiring in the Middle East.

Sudan

A number of reports suggest that increasing numbers of Christ-followers are emerging in the brutal, war-torn nation of Sudan. Here, in the Nile river valley - along the Islamic strongholds of Northern Africa - It is being noted that
“One million Sudanese have turned to Christ since the year 2000—not in spite of persecution, war, and genocide, but because of them…the estimated total number of believers in the country is more than 5.5 million."[2]
Many are convinced that the great brutalities that this nation has encountered are becoming a catalyst for the expansion and growth of Christianity. Rather than inhibiting the Church, the war is actually propelling it.

Pakistan

Pakistan is typically not identified as a nation experiencing a move of God, but apparently they're beginning to see one spark within their contentious borders.Christianity’s Middle-Eastern expansion is particularly evident in this unexpected place. Rosenberg acknowledges that,
“Senior Pakistani Christian leaders tell me there is a ‘conversion explosion’ going on in their country.There are now an estimated 2.5 million to 3 million born-again Pakistani believers worshiping Jesus Christ. Whole towns and villages along the Afghan-Pakistani border are…converting to Christianity."[3]
This Islamic country is not alone, many others in this region are having similar things take place.

Egypt

Reliable reports suggest that there is also a great revival erupting in the land of Egypt. Rosenberg declares that, “Ministry leaders in Egypt estimate there are more than 2.5 million followers of Jesus Christ in their country. Many of these are Muslim converts."[4]

Undoubtedly, the severe persecutions and disruptions related to the "Arab Spring" have affected the lives of Christians throughout this nation, but the faithful have remained strong. Martyrdom invites outsiders to examine the claims of those willing to die for Jesus. It is believed that many amazing things are taking place in Egypt.

Iran

Surprisingly, the contentious nation of Iran is also beginning to encounter the rising flames of awakening. Violent Islamic Fundamentalism has not been able to impede the advancement of the Gospel in this fierce Persian nation. Reflecting on this reality, Rosenberg writes,
“At the time of the Islamic Revolution in 1979, there were only about five hundred known Muslim converts to Jesus inside the country. By 2000, a survey of Christian demographic trends reported that there were two hundred twenty thousand Christians inside Iran, of which between four and twenty thousand were Muslim converts. And according to Iranian Christian leaders I interviewed, the number of Christ-followers inside their country shot dramatically higher between 2000 and 2008."[5]
Yes, you read that right. Christianity went from 500 people to 220,000 in 21 years. Contrary to what many Americans think, Christianity is quietly advancing behind the scenes in some of the most unlikely places around the globe.

Saudi Arabia

Reports continue to come in. A strikingly similar stirring is also taking place in Saudi Arabia - unquestionably the epicenter of world Islam. One wouldn't expect the growth of Christianity in Mecca, but it is happening. Summarizing some of what he has heard, Joel Rosenberg reports that “Arab Christian leaders estimated there were more than one hundred thousand Saudi Muslim background believers in 2005, and they believe the numbers are even higher today."[6] Saudi Arabia is being quickened by the Spirit of the Lord. It seems to be positioned to experience significant growth in the decades to come.

Iraq

Christianity is also quietly advancing in the turbulent nation of Iraq. Again, it needs to be noted that these numbers precede the vicious emergence of Isis and the aftermath of the Arab Spring. Multitudes of Christians have been martyred since these figures were originally reported. Yet, even the fact that Muslims felt compelled to quell its advancement suggests that Christianity’s influence has been growing.
“Before 2003, senior Iraqi Christian leaders tell me, there were only about four to six hundred known born-again followers of Jesus Christ in the entire country, despite an estimated seven hundred fifty thousand nominal Christians in historic Iraqi churches. By the end of 2008, Iraqi Christian leaders estimated that there were more than seventy thousand born-again Iraqi believers."[7]
As many are aware, the expansion of Christianity has been greatly hindered more recently in Iraq. Don't be mistaken, this martyrdom and brutality will ultimately give way to more Christians in the land once known as Babylon.

Algeria

The whole Islamic world is currently shaking. We have already discussed some of the amazing advancements that are taking place in several of Arabic nations. These are where the greatest signs of revival are evident. Nevertheless, on a lesser level, other Islamic nations are also experiencing a tremendous stirring within their borders. One of these is Algeria. Rosenberg recounts the recent upsurge in Algeria, noting that:
“more than eighty thousand Muslims have become followers of Christ in recent years…The surge of Christianity has become so alarming to Islamic clerics that in March of 2006, Algerian officials passed a law banning Muslims from becoming Christians or even learning about Christianity, and forbidding Christians from meeting together without a license from the government."[8]
Algeria is beginning to come alive with the gospel like much of Northern Africa.

Jordan


Another ancient Middle-Eastern locale where Christianity is beginning to take root is along the borders the eastern bank of the Jordan River. The Islamic land of Jordan is also experiencing the grace and wonder of Jesus. Reflecting on what is transpiring in this nation, Rosenberg noted the following:
“God has been reviving the Jordanian Church in the last four decades, and particularly in the past few years. Conservative estimates say the number of believers in the country is now between five and ten thousand. The head of one major Jordanian ministry, however, believes there may be as many as fifty thousand believers in the country."[9]
Jordan is also experiencing the salvation of Jesus Christ.

Other Islamic Nations

Almost every Islamic nation has been experiencing a significant upsurge of Christianity over the last twenty years. Though the numbers aren't equally high, all are experiencing the impact on some level. Here are some of the other reports.

While in the nation of Morocco it has been claimed that “between 20,000 and 40,000 Muslims have become Christ-followers."[10] Rosenberg suggests that, “The number of Afghan believers is now between 20,000 and 30,000."[11] In Kazakhstan “there are more than fifteen thousand Kazakh Christians, and more than one hundred thousand Christians of all ethnicities."[12] Reflecting on Lebanon, Rosenberg suggests that, “there are about ten thousand truly born-again followers of Jesus Christ today."[13] Reports suggest there were no Muslim background Christians in Syria fifty years ago, but today “there are between four and five thousand born-again believers in the country."[14]

Rosenberg's figures suggest that there are over 13 million Christians in Islamic countries and a majority of them are from a Muslim background.

mfblume 12-08-2015 10:11 PM

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...continued
Other Observers

We find that Joel Rosenberg isn’t the only one observing the changing conditions within the broader Islamic world. There are other evidences of a notable transformation taking place. For example, Journalist George Thomas notes that,

"A Christian revival is touching the northernmost reaches of Africa. In a region once hostile to the gospel, now tens of thousands of Muslims are following Jesus. As the sun sets over the Mediterranean Sea, Muslims across Northern Africa are converting to faith in Jesus Christ in record numbers… What experts say is that there is a profound move of God in the predominantly Muslim nations of Mauritania, Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria, Libya, and Tunisia."[15]

Tino Qahoush, a researcher and filmmaker, has been traveling to various parts of this region to document the Christian revival that has been taking place. Reflecting on what he observed, he noted the following,

"What God is doing in North Africa, all the way from actually Mauritanian to Libya is unprecedented in the history of missions. I have the privilege of recording testimonies and listening to firsthand stories of men and women, of all ages."[16]

Jayson Casper, a journalist with Christianity Today, also pointed out some astounding growth that's taking place in the Arabian Peninsula. He writes,
"Today the Pew Research Center numbers Christians in the Arabian Peninsula at 2.3 million - more Christians than nearly 100 countries can claim. The Gulf Christian Fellowship, an umbrella group, estimates 3.5 million...United Arab Emirates Christian population...[is] 13 percent, according to Pew. Among other Gulf states, Bahrain, Kuwait, and Qatar each about 14 percent Christian, while Oman is about 6 percent. Even Saudi Arabia, home to Islam's holiest cities (Mecca and Medina), is 4 percent Christian..."[17]

One of the best examples of the expansion of Christianity within Muslim lands is through the work of Heidi and Roland Baker. Along with their church plants and trained workers from Iris Ministries, the Bakers have made an extraordinary impact on the brutal nation of Mozambique. The province that they currently operate in was entirely Muslim before their arrival, but a little over ten years later those figures have changed drastically. Kelly Head from Christ For The Nations writes,

“The Bakers are now based full-time in Pemba, Mozambique, in an area where Heidi says was once called a ‘graveyard to missionaries.’ But recently the government announced publicly that it’s no longer a Muslim providence; now it’s a Christian providence."[18]

The abrupt changes to the once Muslim Africa are something even the Islamic clerics are beginning to acknowledge. In December 2001, Sheikh Ahmad al Qataani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, appeared on a live interview on Al-Jazeera satellite television. He declared the following:
"Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century...As to how that happened, well, there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed."[19]

It is obvious from these and other reports that Christianity is advancing. Yet, the question is “why?” Interestingly, it may have a lot to do with something that many in the West would discount. I would like to talk about this a little more in the following.

Why Is Christianity Finally Growing In the Middle East?

Throughout the Mediterranean world there's a high regard for dreams. They comprehend them the same way that individuals during the early biblical period did. Islam in particular, places a great value on nocturnal visions. Ever since Muhammad retreated to a cave in 610 AD and began to experience what he considered to be revelatory visions, Muslims have greatly valued impressions they may receive while they're asleep. Timothy Morgan notes that dreams are a:

“part of the reality of their world. Mohammad listened to dreams, and he gave Muslims the impression that God could speak through them. So they do listen to them, and they do talk about them."[20]

Tom Doyle, an evangelist, pastor, and the E3 Partners Ministry Director for the Middle East and Central Asia noted the following:

“Outside of the Scriptures, Egyptian history records a significant amount of information about dreams and visions, many of which became determining factors in the overall direction of the nation. One archaeological find close to the Pyramids revealed that ancient Egyptian scribe named Kenhirkhopeshef kept a papyrus document called the Dream Book. The book is a catalog of 108 dreams and the activities and emotions that accompanied them."[21]

Interestingly, over the last two decades there have been numerous claims of Muslims having dreams about Jesus and ultimately coming to faith. Url Scaramanga, writing in conservative Evangelical journal, acknowledges that "Stories of Muslims coming to faith in Christ because of a vision or dream are not uncommon."[22]

It is easy to dismiss this, but I think Christians should remain open to all of the various ways that God operates. It may seem inexplicable to us, but it seems that dreams are a primary way that Middle-Eastern people are open to encountering God. Reflecting on the significance of these nocturnal visions, Nabeel Qureshi writes,

"I think the reason why dreams are an important component of people leaving Islam and accepting Christ is that most Muslims believe that God reveals himself and his will to them in dreams. In fact, it seems to be the only way that they believe God will reveal his will to them. So they have faith that God will direct them, so God uses their faith for his purposes."[23]

With all the questions and concerns about this approach, there's interest in determining how much dreams are driving evangelism among Muslims. Georges Houssney prepared a questionnaire and, over a period of three years, asked 100 Christian converts from Islam how they came to faith. When asked, “What was the major factor in drawing you to Christ?" 25% of Houssney's respondents acknowledged that dreams and visions were the primary catalyst that brought them to salvation. Furthermore, 60% of the respondents acknowledged that they had experienced a relevant dream or vision or both prior to their conversion.[24]

The reality of these transforming dreams are being widely acknowledged, even though they are a bit unsettling for those in the conservative Evangelical community. Reflecting on his own experience, Tom Doyle says:

“I’m not a skeptic by nature. I’m actually known as a being fairly trusting. But when I began hearing about Muslims having dreams and visions of Jesus, I must say I was quite the doubting Thomas. I think it’s because I have watched a few Christian television programs…About a decade ago, those of us who work in Muslim outreach started to hear about something new in the world of Islam. God was opening the closed hearts of Muslims by giving them spectacular dreams and visions. At first, the stories were rare, but today these amazing accounts of God breaking through to Muslims have become a common occurrence. We find that about one out of every three Muslim-background believers has had a dream or vision prior to their salvation experience. Some more precise surveys are a bit more conservative and suggest a little over 25 percent of Muslims had a dream or a vision before becoming disciples of Jesus. Either way, the percentage is significant." [25]

Though they may be misunderstood and largely outside the norm in the West, dreams are certainly changing things throughout the Arab world.

Testimonies of Former Muslims


Many Middle-Eastern Christians publicly acknowledge the fact that dreams actively facilitated them coming into a saving knowledge of Jesus. For example, Nabeel Qureshi is a former devout Muslim. He became a believer in part through a visionary experience. When recounting his conversion he writes,

"When I contrasted the evidence for Christianity against the evidence for Islam I knew that intellectually there was no comparison. So I asked God to reveal himself to me in truth, through dreams and visions. All those things, combined with actually reading the Bible, are what drove me forward to the point of accepting Christ."[26]

When asked about his conversion to Christianity from Islam, Pastor Naeem Fazal of Mosaic Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, mentioned several things that impacted him. He pointed out things like friendship with a knowledgeable Christian as well as reading the Bible. However, it was a particular supernatural encounter that brought him into a moment of crisis. Having a visionary experience one night, Fazal had an encounter that forever shifted the course of his life.

“It looked like a figure made up with light—solid, yet transparent. It was an experience like no other. The peace I felt from this presence was so powerful, so aggressive ... and [He] introduced Himself to me and said, ‘I’m Jesus; your life is not your own.’ The next morning my life changed forever." [27]

Fazal acknowledges that he is not unique in this experience. He notes that "the majority of the [Muslim] conversion stories I hear seem to involve dreams and visions inspired by the Holy Spirit in which Christ is supernaturally revealed."[28]


Dreams Seem To Fill In A Gap

Many are compelled to question this approach. As I already mentioned, this seems rather unorthodox, particularly within the American Evangelical context. However, dreams are unquestionably shifting awareness and opening the door for the gospel. In fact, it might be God's way of counteracting the relative failure of Western missions in the Middle East.

Walid Shoebat agrees. He is a former PLO operative turned Christian and peace activist. Shoebat acknowledges that Jesus is compensating for the weaknesses of the Western Church. Reflecting on this, he noted the following,

“I had first doubted the countless stories of Muslims becoming Christian as a result of dreams until I met some of them and heard their testimonies. My conclusion to this phenomenon is that Christ succeeds where the church fails."[29]

I believe that it's time for Christians to celebrate the advancement of the gospel in some of darkest places on the globe. In this season, Jesus is doing amazing things in the midst of every tribe and tongue. We are obliged to acknowledge the beauty and wonder of the Kingdom's advancement.

Don't be mistaken, Christ succeeds where the church fails.

“This truth was given to me in secret, as though whispered in my ear. It came to me in a disturbing vision at night, when people are in a deep sleep. Fear gripped me, and my bones trembled. A spirit swept past my face, and my hair stood on end. The spirit stopped, but I couldn’t see its shape.There was a form before my eyes. In the silence I heard a voice say, ‘Can a mortal be innocent before God? Can anyone be pure before the Creator?’" (Job 4:12-17).


Evang.Benincasa 12-08-2015 10:16 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
Awesome posts! :highfive :thumbsup

mfblume 12-08-2015 10:30 PM

Re: Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?
 
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Originally Posted by tjjj (Post 1409976)
these guys have missed what you said!!!!!


they don't get the irony of it at all!!!!

If you kill and destroy as a moslem then you can stay a moslem, but if you kill and terrorize, thinking you are a christian, then you no longer remain a christian!

Wow

wowwww!

deacon blues 12-09-2015 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1410008)
One thing that is interesting, is many 'Muslim terrorists' who have gotten fame for attacking the west did not live like Muslims (partying, drinking, clubbing, etc)...

A Muslim goes to heaven through works: prayer, fasting, reading the koran, giving to the poor, and going on a hajj OR gets a free pass to paradise through martyrdom. If a martyr lives like the devil, what is that to him? He's going to kill infidels and will go to Paradise regardless.


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