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How many here believe that a lady should have uncut hair as per I Cor. 11?
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I think she should keep her hair as long as possible, to show distinction from men, but upkeep may involve trimming from time to time.
I have a friend, whos' daughter had hair that was able to drag on the ground, so she cut it a foot or so higher.(she mow keeps it about knee length.) |
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Elder Verbal Bean taught that lady who cuts her hair has no power in her walk with God or prayer life because she is in rebellion against her husband and against God.
I believe that. |
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Well, that may be correct, but that is not what the Bible says.
What about ladies going through chemo? When their hair falls out during the treatment, are they less spiritual? |
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Where does it say UNCUT hair?
I can show you LONG hair, though. |
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The part of Corinthians 11 that is up for debate to me is, should a woman wear a veil? The part about a woman not shaving or shearing (cutting) her hair is clear. Whether or not it is salvation issue is for God to decide. I would not want to allow things in my life that is contrary to the word of God.
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Me too, but it just says long/short HAIR. Not vails, turbans, hats etc. |
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14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. The only covering mentioned in the chapter is hair. |
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It is about long hair/short hair.
The question is, how long is okay, and how short is okay? |
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One of the key parts to that whole passage to me is the phrase, "if it is a shame"... There are situations where it is not a shameful for a woman to have short hair. Besides, I am pretty sure that if we could go back 2,000 years ago, we would see the women wearing actual head coverings (in addition to their hair). Scriptures were written (and even later translated) within the context of the culture of the human writer. |
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An example of culture affecting the translation of scriptures is something I read about a long time ago concerning an Old Testament passage that the original KJV "mis-translated".
At the end of one particularly brutal Old Testament battle, King David and his men went through and physically emasculated their wounded enemies. The KJV describes the brutality as, "cutting off the mens' tails". |
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True, but 1 Cor. 11 uses only HAIR as a covering method. nothing else is mentioned. Vails are an assumption, because they are not mentioned as a covering. If they were also mentioned by Paul, then Paul was commanding them to be double covered. |
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My Apostolic relative had a wife dying of cancer.
She was raised Apostolic and did not cut her hair. She took chemo and her hair was falling out in clumps. She cut it and wore a wig until her death. Her husband, a carnal, standard enforcer, was floored, when she cut her matted hair off and bought a wig. He figured she sinned and backslid when she did what she did. She was twice the Christian that her husband could ever be. But in his mind, she sinned. Weird, but true. |
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JD, there is no such verse in the KJV. The word tails occurs 4 times, and none of them are as you described. Obviously, you are prone to making outrageous claims without doing any fact checking. I'll keep that in mind for future reference.
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I know you, your wife, her relative and that relative's husband. Her husband may have been somewhat surprised - even shocked and hurt that she cut her hair - but I don't for one minute believe that he thinks she isn't in heaven . Furthermore - since you started this - I will go so far as to say that he and his wife and your wife are three times the Christian you could ever be. :icecream JMHO |
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Ouch, sorry, I was judging him. My bad. Rebuke recieved.
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It is not long or short that is the issue, but it is cut or uncut.
1Cor. 11:6 but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered It is a shame for a woman's hair to be shorn(cut). How long is long? What ever length it naturally grows to. |
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Yes, that is true, but what about the friend of ours that has hair dragging on the floor? She cut it to knee length, but it is still longer than any sister I know.? |
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Some womens' hair seems to be unmanageable, if let completely go.
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If it is left to grow naturally then it can't be managed? I think that is a cop out. My wife has alot more trouble with her hair. Washing it, picking it out, etc., But she is proud of her hair (it is a glory to her). I don't want to sound condemning, but doing the right thing is not always gonna be convenient.
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True, I came from a church that practiced vails.
They taught uncut hair AND vails. I dont bother much with the argument anymore, because it seems like both vails or hair could be used. (or both) |
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It doesn't say if hair is shorn, that's projecting into the text. |
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A head is shaven or shorn, it's a type of cut not just cutting hair. When I was in army boot camp we were shorn.
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I thought I would NEVER change from believing in vails, but 1 lesson from Dan Seagraves, with an open mind fixed that.
It was like seeing Acts 2:38 for the time. He is an amazing communicator! |
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I would rather the ladies not cut their hair, but I am not sure that Paul was insisting that. Long hair is very lady like and honorable to the ladies. I can merely suggest they try to let it grow long and try not to cut it, but if they trim split ends, I cannot see enough in the passage to make into a sin issue. Maybe you can see things a bit different and share it? |
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I think that some can overemphasize the issue, but to me it seems clear that the scripture says it is a shame for a woman to be shorn(cut) or shaven. It seems likely that the scripture is refering to veils and Paul uses hair to make his point. If it would be an shameful thing for a woman to cut her hair than they should surely see the purpose of a head covering. IMO
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But does that mean completely shaven, or trimmed ? |
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That is the million dollar question here G.S.
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"Let her be shorn" cut close like shearing sheep. Ko One would say. "Oh she trimmed her hair"
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What are you seeing in it?..... 1 Cor 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. |
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And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
Acts 18:18 KJV http://bible.com/1/act.18.18.KJV If shorn just means cut, did he cut his head since it says "Having shorn his head"? No, a shorn head is cutting it real close like when I entered the army. |
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6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
I think Paul may have been saying that if they are bald, wear a temporary covering.(not sure) But Paul says this about the Long Hair..... 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. |
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should a woman wear a veil when praying or prophesying?
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Could the 1st century church demanded partial coverings for short haired sisters?
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Isn't it interesting no where is women commanded to not cut there hair? No where in all the law
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