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Originalist 01-15-2016 05:02 PM

A word to Millennials in the church
 
Everyone knows that I am the timid type who rarely says what is on his mind (seriously, I used to be that way!).

Today I have a reproof/rebuke for the "milenials" who seemed to have somehow wrestled the helm of the church away from wise elders.

I view the many elders God placed in my life with reverence and awe. I fight hard to emulate them, and to teach others what they taught me . But I must say you millenials have one of the worst attitudes I've ever seen in regards to the pioneers in the church that came before you. You let them subtly know, "You had your turn. It's our turn now. We're smarter than you, more educated than you, and we know how to bring "progress" to the church. There's nothing you can teach us. There's little to be learned from you. In fact, you embarrass us".

Of course, there are exceptions. But , in general, you guys need to repent.

Thank you.

Esaias 01-15-2016 05:03 PM

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What's a millennial? Some new cult?

Monterrey 01-15-2016 08:12 PM

Re: A word to Millennials in the church
 
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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1417784)
What's a millennial? Some new cult?

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

I think he means you.


:happydance

shazeep 01-16-2016 06:46 AM

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:lol

KeptByTheWord 01-16-2016 08:08 AM

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Anyone that has disrespect for elders has not ever read their bible... maybe that is the problem?

mfblume 01-16-2016 08:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1417904)
Anyone that has disrespect for elders has not ever read their bible... maybe that is the problem?

BINGO!! Amen.

It's the world creeping into churches. I saw how disrespect for authority started in the 60's and heavily into the 70's. High schools had kids laying all ove rhte floors laying on each other, and smacking gum in class, frowning at the teacher when he or she asked a question... Parents hearing kids mouth off at them. And respect for authority has vanished. ANd now we see people in church doing the same thing. Unruly children. A.D.D. myths.

CC1 01-16-2016 09:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1417782)
Everyone knows that I am the timid type who rarely says what is on his mind (seriously, I used to be that way!).

Today I have a reproof/rebuke for the "milenials" who seemed to have somehow wrestled the helm of the church away from wise elders.

I view the many elders God placed in my life with reverence and awe. I fight hard to emulate them, and to teach others what they taught me . But I must say you millenials have one of the worst attitudes I've ever seen in regards to the pioneers in the church that came before you. You let them subtly know, "You had your turn. It's our turn now. We're smarter than you, more educated than you, and we know how to bring "progress" to the church. There's nothing you can teach us. There's little to be learned from you. In fact, you embarrass us".

Of course, there are exceptions. But , in general, you guys need to repent.

Thank you.

Your post sounds like the usual psychological manipulation used to keep people from questioning or changing anything. I think one should respect "pioneers" but not be a slave to their thoughts or methods. Our commitment is to the bible and God, not to any man's particular take on it.

Monterrey 01-16-2016 09:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1417962)
Your post sounds like the usual psychological manipulation used to keep people from questioning or changing anything. I think one should respect "pioneers" but not be a slave to their thoughts or methods. Our commitment is to the bible and God, not to any man's particular take on it.

Now there you go again, questioning the authorities that God has placed over you.....

Banished, banished I say!!!

:smack

thephnxman 01-16-2016 10:22 AM

Re: A word to Millennials in the church
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1417962)
Your post sounds like the usual psychological manipulation used to keep people from questioning or changing anything. I think one should respect "pioneers" but not be a slave to their thoughts or methods. Our commitment is to the bible and God, not to any man's particular take on it.

Food for thought on both sides of the aisle!

"Pioneers" tend to read the same scriptures the same way; while those who
have been raised sleeping under the pews keep asking: "Is that all?"

The prophet(s) and the apostle(s) were commanded by the Lord to CLOSE
the book(s) until their time to be fulfilled. Sometimes we can lose sight of
that. There are things that are beginning to be revealed, but we are up
against two problems. The pioneers are not ready to hear any "new"
revelations (not that there are any new revelations, but new info that
should be judged by standing scriptures); and those upcoming "elders" who
have not been taught to expect the scriptures (prophecies) to be opened
to them. "Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old
commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is
the word which ye have heard from the beginning."


"Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in
him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light
now shines."

seguidordejesus 01-16-2016 12:31 PM

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How long do you have to wait to be a leader? The oldest Millennials are in mid-30's - plenty of pastors started before then. Definitely respect leaders and seek advice, but you become your own person at some point.

houston 01-16-2016 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 1417995)
How long do you have to wait to be a leader? The oldest Millennials are in mid-30's - plenty of pastors started before then. Definitely respect leaders and seek advice, but you become your own person at some point.

Those rebelious millenials learning Greek.

seguidordejesus 01-16-2016 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1418009)
Those rebelious millenials learning Greek.

Follow the old paths - learn Hebrew.

I wonder what language Adam and Eve spoke.:thumbsup

Originalist 01-16-2016 06:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1417962)
Your post sounds like the usual psychological manipulation used to keep people from questioning or changing anything. I think one should respect "pioneers" but not be a slave to their thoughts or methods. Our commitment is to the bible and God, not to any man's particular take on it.

We do not need novices assuming the helm of the ship of Zion.

mfblume 01-16-2016 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thephnxman (Post 1417973)

The prophet(s) and the apostle(s) were commanded by the Lord to CLOSE
the book(s) until their time to be fulfilled.

Daniel was told to close the books til the come of the end. John was told not to close them when Revelation was written since it was at hand.
No other reference exists in the bible about closing the books.

Esaias 01-16-2016 07:42 PM

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Elders are to teach the youngers the solid truths, so they can transmit them on to the next generation.

All the problems stem from people not following the ORIGINAL pioneers - the apostles.

houston 01-17-2016 01:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 1418074)
Follow the old paths - learn Hebrew.

I wonder what language Adam and Eve spoke.:thumbsup

I don't like Hebrew

votivesoul 01-17-2016 01:38 AM

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I had a very wise college professor from India who said the following:

If one or two of you don't do well and end up failing the course, I will assume you were disinterested, didn't make an effort, weren't committed, and didn't try hard enough to be successful. But if ten or twelve of you are struggling and not doing well and end up in danger of not passing, I will assume the fault lies with me.

By the end of the first century, the 3rd to 4th generation of believers since Pentecost were already dropping the ball. Was it because of young upstarts wresting the helm away from wise elders, or was it because so-called "wise" elders were not making certain that the up and coming ministers of the new generation were properly instructed in how to respect and honor them as elders?

Let us be careful in how we assign blame.

thephnxman 01-17-2016 05:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1418098)
Daniel was told to close the books til the come of the end. John was told not to close them when Revelation was written since it was at hand.
No other reference exists in the bible about closing the books.

You noticed the "s" in parenthesis, and I stand corrected.





Did you notice the content?

Originalist 01-17-2016 07:28 AM

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The issue of this thread is not "basic submission to authority". Rather it is the embrace of an attitude that rejects any wisdom from previous generations.

CC1 01-17-2016 10:37 AM

Re: A word to Millennials in the church
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1418090)
We do not need novices assuming the helm of the ship of Zion.

I don't think folks in their 30's are neccessarily "novices". No more than some "pioneers" are stumbling blocks because they are so bound by their church culture and traditions that are extra biblical. Note I did not say all but some. I will not lump all elders / pioneers into one stereotype like you did in the quote above where you infer that millennials are novices and should not be in leadership. I say hogwash.

As I said before your post is more psychological manipulation designed to control people and shame the into not questioning anything or changing anything in Pentecost.

Originalist 01-18-2016 01:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1418230)
I don't think folks in their 30's are neccessarily "novices". No more than some "pioneers" are stumbling blocks because they are so bound by their church culture and traditions that are extra biblical. Note I did not say all but some. I will not lump all elders / pioneers into one stereotype like you did in the quote above where you infer that millennials are novices and should not be in leadership. I say hogwash.

As I said before your post is more psychological manipulation designed to control people and shame the into not questioning anything or changing anything in Pentecost.

If you believe that about me, then you have not read many of my posts over the years.

CC1 01-18-2016 08:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1418311)
If you believe that about me, then you have not read many of my posts over the years.

Or I am just old and have a bad memory!


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