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Jermyn Davidson 01-25-2016 07:41 PM

Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
""These people broke the law to spread malicious lies about Planned Parenthood in order to advance their extreme anti-abortion political agenda," said Eric Ferrero, vice president of Communications for Planned Parenthood Federation of America. "


"After a lengthy and thorough investigation by the Harris County District Attorney’s Office, the Texas Rangers, and the Houston Police Department, a Harris County grand jury took no action Monday against Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast," the Harris County District Attorney's office said in a statement.

http://news.yahoo.com/planned-parent...224615990.html


Now honestly, who thought there was nothing to this when this story broke?

n david 01-25-2016 08:01 PM

Whatever. Go celebrate with your fellow baby murdering Democrats.

Sick, dude.

aegsm76 01-25-2016 09:50 PM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
JD - this only applies to PP - Gulf Coast.
I would further say that while they may be cleared legally, they are murderers in God's eyes.

Esaias 01-26-2016 02:15 AM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
And we all know that if a large, well funded org supported by democrats in a largely democrat town is no-billed, it proves that all is sunshine and roses in the land of happy unicorns that fart rainbows.

Esaias 01-26-2016 02:20 AM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/25/...ed-parenthood/

Esaias 01-26-2016 02:28 AM

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http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/25/g...ideos-instead/

n david 01-26-2016 05:37 AM

This grand jury had an agenda. They were convened to investigate possible charges against PP, but instead went after the filmmakers.

Not surprising, considering 62% of the populace in Houston are declared or registered Democrats.

KeptByTheWord 01-26-2016 08:23 AM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Fionn mac Cumh 01-26-2016 08:27 AM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1419959)
This grand jury had an agenda. They were convened to investigate possible charges against PP, but instead went after the filmmakers.

Not surprising, considering 62% of the populace in Houston are declared or registered Democrats.

Cause they did nothing wrong. GOP wasted everyone's time AGAIN!

n david 01-26-2016 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1419980)
Cause they did nothing wrong. GOP wasted everyone's time AGAIN!

As was previously noted, this is only about one specific PP clinic, not the others mentioned in the other videos.

Also, the GOP didn't waste anyone's time here, Fiona. This was not something Congress did. This was done by an anti-abortion group.

Esaias 01-26-2016 11:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1419980)
Cause they did nothing wrong. GOP wasted everyone's time AGAIN!

The state is still investigating Planned UnParenthood.

By the way, did you watch the videos that were posted? I posted several of them here on the forum. Both the short 'edited for time' ones as well as the original uncut, unedited hours long ones. Did you watch any of them?

If you did, I cannot possibly see how you think PP 'did nothing wrong'. The videos speak for themselves, because PP executives are speaking, negotiating the 'delivery of whole specimens', etc and joking about the pricing and actually commenting in a round about way about how to avoid criminal indictment by structuring methods, etc. So... did you watch the videos?

aegsm76 01-26-2016 01:56 PM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1419980)
Cause they did nothing wrong. GOP wasted everyone's time AGAIN!

Can you clarify for me your definition of "wrong"?
I believe that murdering babies in the womb would be "wrong".

aegsm76 01-27-2016 07:58 AM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Another take on this story.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/rush-blas...rtion-staffer/

Gofsgirl91 01-27-2016 09:43 PM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
I think planned parenthood should only be aloud to give birth control.they shouldn't be aloud to pro form abortions or give the plan B pill.

Jermyn Davidson 01-28-2016 02:09 PM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofsgirl91 (Post 1420216)
I think planned parenthood should only be aloud to give birth control.they shouldn't be aloud to pro form abortions or give the plan B pill.

I would agree with you except that the law of the land allows for abortion.

Abortion isn't right. Abortion is murder. However, abortion is allowed and if this organization doesn't do it, someone else will.

Esaias 01-28-2016 02:29 PM

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Did PP get all aghast when the investigators discussed buying baby body parts?

Can only one party do the Tango?

n david 01-28-2016 05:27 PM

Exactly. They charge these guys with purchasing baby parts, yet ignore the seller!?! How can the buyer be guilty, but not the seller?

Jermyn Davidson 01-28-2016 06:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1420362)
Exactly. They charge these guys with purchasing baby parts, yet ignore the seller!?! How can the buyer be guilty, but not the seller?

I don't think that is why they were indicted.

n david 01-28-2016 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1420366)
I don't think that is why they were indicted.

You're right, it's even worse. They were indicted for simply saying they wanted to buy baby parts. This grand jury should be indicted themselves. What a bunch of buffoons.

consapente89 01-29-2016 07:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1419980)
Cause they did nothing wrong. GOP wasted everyone's time AGAIN!

Did nothing wrong?

Sorry....their gonna burn in Hell for murder whether they sold body parts or not.


Good grief.

Fionn mac Cumh 01-29-2016 09:37 AM

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http://news.yahoo.com/carly-fiorina-...023400025.html

She just wont give it up.

aegsm76 01-29-2016 11:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1420029)
Can you clarify for me your definition of "wrong"?
I believe that murdering babies in the womb would be "wrong".

repost for fmc

Fionn mac Cumh 02-10-2016 11:45 AM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1420029)
Can you clarify for me your definition of "wrong"?
I believe that murdering babies in the womb would be "wrong".

This is a legal issue. They broke no laws. Why arent people from planned parent hood getting arrested like the idiots who made the video?

Esaias 02-10-2016 12:48 PM

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Apparently, murdering the unborn is 'legal' and therefore perfectly fine. Exposing the evil of infanticide, however, is 'illegal' and all who do such are bad tribesmen to be punished.

Fionn is engulfed in the 'good German' mindset, like most leftists. All hail the power of Der State!

Fionn mac Cumh 02-10-2016 01:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1421791)
Apparently, murdering the unborn is 'legal' and therefore perfectly fine. Exposing the evil of infanticide, however, is 'illegal' and all who do such are bad tribesmen to be punished.

Fionn is engulfed in the 'good German' mindset, like most leftists. All hail the power of Der State!

Its been legal since when in this country? Lets get legislation to make it illegal. Until then, planned parenthood did nothing wrong, unlike the people who made the video.

Fionn mac Cumh 02-10-2016 01:41 PM

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I might be in the minority, but first term abortion is not murder. Unless I am mistaken, a baby doesnt have brainwaves till week 12-13. A baby isnt alive til then.

Jermyn Davidson 02-10-2016 02:40 PM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1421796)
I might be in the minority, but first term abortion is not murder. Unless I am mistaken, a baby doesnt have brainwaves till week 12-13. A baby isnt alive til then.

I disagree with you. At the first sign of life, the human baby is, at that point, alive.

The heart beats at six weeks-- before there are brainwaves.

http://www.baby2see.com/development/week6.html

Fionn mac Cumh 02-10-2016 03:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1421802)
I disagree with you. At the first sign of life, the human baby is, at that point, alive.

The heart beats at six weeks-- before there are brainwaves.

http://www.baby2see.com/development/week6.html

Its not alive til there are brainwaves.

Jermyn Davidson 02-10-2016 03:25 PM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1421805)
Its not alive til there are brainwaves.

I disagree.
So would others-- medical professionals and bioethical scholars included.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...YQM/story.html


If brain death does not necessarily mean death, then the lack of brain waves doesn't necessarily mean the lack of life.

The fact of the matter is this: if the baby is growing, then there are signs of life.

Fionn mac Cumh 02-10-2016 03:29 PM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1421807)
I disagree.
So would others-- medical professionals and bioethical scholars included.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...YQM/story.html


If brain death does not necessarily mean death, then the lack of brain waves doesn't necessarily mean the lack of life.

The fact of the matter is this: if the baby is growing, then there are signs of life.

You cant draw the comparison of someone who is a living fully developed adult to a fetus. Lets see how long a fetus would survive if a women gave birth after six weeks of pregnancy. No machines. No support. Tell me how alive it would be.

Jermyn Davidson 02-10-2016 03:31 PM

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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/ne...fter_accident/

"Brain dead" but found to be alive later on.
Oklahoma

Jermyn Davidson 02-10-2016 03:33 PM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
"Brain dead" but found to be alive later on.
Australia

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2719478/posts

Fionn mac Cumh 02-10-2016 03:36 PM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1421811)
"Brain dead" but found to be alive later on.
Australia

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2719478/posts

Again, that doesnt compare to an undeveloped fetus. Especially at the time it develops a heartbeat.

Jermyn Davidson 02-10-2016 03:42 PM

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"Brain death", extended time period (months), found to be alive later on.


http://www.neurology.org/content/82/...plement/P4.285

Fionn mac Cumh 02-10-2016 03:50 PM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1421814)
"Brain death", extended time period (months), found to be alive later on.


http://www.neurology.org/content/82/...plement/P4.285

Why do you keep posting the same thing? There is a reason why you cant have an abortion past the first trimester.

Jermyn Davidson 02-10-2016 03:54 PM

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It does compare because you are using the concept that the lack of brainwaves means the lack of life.

That is simply not true, as demonstrated, scientifically.

So, you have a baby growing, but you don't consider growth as a sign of life?

You have scientific anecdotes confirming situations where there is a prolonged lack of brain activity, but the human was still found to be alive and able to recover-- but that does not dispel your notion that brain activity is a requirement for life?

At this point, you are not making sense.

The only argument left to make is that the baby is not human until a certain point in the pregnancy-- but that argument won't stand either.

People have the right to their opinions-- correct or incorrect. I would just like you to just say, "Well I believe what I believe and that's it, " or "I believe what I believe and here is why."

n david 02-10-2016 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1421805)

Its not alive til there are brainwaves.

You're an idiot.

Jermyn Davidson 02-10-2016 09:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1421827)
You're an idiot.

You post like your political father Donald Trumps speaks.

Reasoning works better than name-calling.
:nod

aegsm76 02-11-2016 09:02 AM

Re: Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1421805)
Its not alive til there are brainwaves.

fmc - you hit on the key question.
When is "it" alive.
Staunch pro-abortion believers only believe it is alive when it is born AND is wanted. If it is born, but unwanted then termination is ok.
Staunch anti-abortion believers think that it is alive when the sperm and egg join. Thus, some pregnancy preventing medications would qualify as abortion because they prevent the fertilized eggs implantation into the uterine wall.
I am a little simpler. I believe that when you can detect "life", then it is alive.

n david 02-11-2016 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1421796)
I might be in the minority, but first term abortion is not murder. Unless I am mistaken, a baby doesnt have brainwaves till week 12-13. A baby isnt alive til then.

You are mistaken. At 6 wks brain waves can be detected.

But let's stick to what the Bible says, because that's ultimately what will judge all.

The Bible says life is in the blood. In an unborn baby, the heart begans beating within 18 days of conception. And within 21 days of conception, the heart begins pumping blood.

So per the Bible, the baby is a living being at 3 wks from conception.


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