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Scott Pitta 02-04-2016 09:14 PM

1945 merger PCI files
 
What became of the files of the PCI after it merged with the other organization to form the UPC ??

Did the PCI still exist in some form after 1945 ?

Any ideas ??

Steve Epley 02-05-2016 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1421240)
What became of the files of the PCI after it merged with the other organization to form the UPC ??

Did the PCI still exist in some form after 1945 ?

Any ideas ??

I don't think anything existed after that it took nearly a year from what I understand to put everything in order. I don't know if the UPC has those in their archives or not?
However some men Did renew the PAJC charter and it exist today as a very small group. I have read articles in their paper where both Witherspoon and Urshan were trying to calm many in their group who felt they compromised.

Godsdrummer 02-05-2016 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1421240)
What became of the files of the PCI after it merged with the other organization to form the UPC ??

Did the PCI still exist in some form after 1945 ?

Any ideas ??

Scott, from the material I have read, it seems if memory serves me right that there were brethren in both groups that did not merge, and kept their original charter.

Godsdrummer 02-05-2016 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1421256)
I don't think anything existed after that it took nearly a year from what I understand to put everything in order. I don't know if the UPC has those in their archives or not?
However some men Did renew the PAJC charter and it exist today as a very small group. I have read articles in their paper where both Witherspoon and Urshan were trying to calm many in their group who felt they compromised.

What he said, although it seems to me that there were some from both groups the renewed their charter.

Scott Pitta 02-05-2016 07:49 AM

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I now have the charter and bylaws, or constitution of the PCI.

I wonder if they produced a ministerial directory ??

Hazelwood has no PCI documents in their archive.

Harry Morse was PCI, so they are my focus.

Steve Epley 02-05-2016 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 1421258)
What he said, although it seems to me that there were some from both groups the renewed their charter.

I do know some did not join never heard they renewed their charter but it could have happened? It is interesting around 51 the first split were former PCI men who formed the IMA? Vanhoose, Kidson, Cootes.

Scott Pitta 02-05-2016 08:06 AM

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Harry Morse also left in 1951, or 1952. But for different reasons.

Steve Epley 02-05-2016 08:17 AM

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Those I mentioned were involved in the "Latter Rain" movement.

Scott Pitta 02-05-2016 08:47 AM

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So was Morse. Very interesting...

Steve Epley 02-05-2016 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1421268)
So was Morse. Very interesting...

Those I mentioned did not believe the new birth message but saved at repentance. Thus it made the transition easier.

Scott Pitta 02-05-2016 09:17 AM

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It is not easy to determine the details of what Morse taught. Speaking if which, I better get back to the research !! :)

Godsdrummer 02-06-2016 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1421270)
Those I mentioned did not believe the new birth message but saved at repentance. Thus it made the transition easier.

My understanding is that, that was the point of contention between the two groups. But because they both taught baptism in Jesus name, and one God, they worded the original constitution in such a way that they could both fellowship as one group.

Just checked one of my books to see where I got the idea of members of both groups keeping their original charters but will have to check my other two books to see where I got the idea.

Just as a side note, I believe we are saved at repentance, and that constitutes the new birth.

CC1 02-06-2016 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1421261)
I now have the charter and bylaws, or constitution of the PCI.



Hazelwood has no PCI documents in their archive.

This really surprises me. I thought HQ had put forth an effort to archive Oneness Pentecostal history and you would think the records of one of the two groups that joined together to form the UPC would be the first thing they would make sure they had.

Steve Epley 02-07-2016 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1421459)
This really surprises me. I thought HQ had put forth an effort to archive Oneness Pentecostal history and you would think the records of one of the two groups that joined together to form the UPC would be the first thing they would make sure they had.

In fairness I think history wasn't as important to them as to us. They were making history we are reading it?

returnman 02-08-2016 01:12 PM

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In fairness I think history wasn't as important to them as to us. They were making history we are reading it?

That is a good, fair point.

CC1 02-08-2016 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1421509)
In fairness I think history wasn't as important to them as to us. They were making history we are reading it?

Kind of like folks our age were young and a 1968 Camaro was just an old used car when they sold it and now is a classic? LOL

Godsdrummer 02-09-2016 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1421262)
I do know some did not join never heard they renewed their charter but it could have happened? It is interesting around 51 the first split were former PCI men who formed the IMA? Vanhoose, Kidson, Cootes.

You may be right, and that may be what I read, and assumed the PCI renewed their charter.
I did find a small note in United We Stand that spoke of a small group of the PAJC that were able to renew the old charter.

Steve Epley 02-09-2016 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 1421677)
You may be right, and that may be what I read, and assumed the PCI renewed their charter.
I did find a small note in United We Stand that spoke of a small group of the PAJC that were able to renew the old charter.

The PAJC yet exist today a very small group.

Sabby 02-25-2016 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1421272)
It is not easy to determine the details of what Morse taught. Speaking if which, I better get back to the research !! :)

There's a guy with a FB site called Apostolic Archives, Br. Garrett I believe. His roots are PAW.

Steve Epley 02-25-2016 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabby (Post 1423944)
There's a guy with a FB site called Apostolic Archives, Br. Garrett I believe. His roots are PAW.

Actually his roots are AMF his Father helped form the AMF although Gary spent most of his latter years around the PAW.

Sabby 02-26-2016 09:31 PM

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I stand corrected!


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