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aegsm76 03-21-2016 08:51 AM

Where we are headed
 
While dialoguing with some Venezuelan friends on a forum, here is what one of them posted.
Reading this makes me realize where we are headed, due to the current thinking of many of the voters

"First, few things can function in an economy with an unstable currency. Even a private corporation must know total costs vs. total expected revenues in order to settle on a price. Second, 2 or 3 generations of South/Central Americans have grown-up under the media-inspired myth that government can solve their problems. Personal responsibility/initiative has thus become secondary in the minds of the young. The strange guy speaking to you on the tele, with silly portraits and colorful flags hanging in the background, has your best interests at heart, or so you were taught in school. It’s Orwellian, ingrained in the new generation’s DNA. Private corporations – bad. Government enterprises – good. Destructive Marxist dogma first brought to the continent through the Cuban Revolution, spread to every school and university in South/Central America. Cuba as the model for these new ideas. Even though THAT revolution was an utter, dismal failure, the lesson is purposely ignored. “Look away at what was actually accomplished. Nothing to see. It’s not the results which are important here, but the meaningful intentions.” So we are told. If a narcissist like Castro (insert Chavez here as well) centers his government around the poor and downtrodden, standing hour-after-hour on that podium, he must therefore really care about them. Good intentions, not actual results. What his Cuban Revolution actually accomplished, seems unimportant to many in academia and media. The same with the Bolivarian Revolution. There are NO obvious facts which can negate their dogma, None. Not the lack of medical supplies, not the lack of clean water, not the record-setting inflation rates, not the crime rate, or even the poverty rates. If during a television show, you stand on a street corner and hand-out a few free Haier refrigerators to the poor, that’s all that matters. Your intentions were good, everything else is irrelevant."

Esaias 03-21-2016 02:56 PM

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Spot on.

shazeep 03-21-2016 08:56 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-a6jzU0YgQ

aegsm76 03-22-2016 08:01 AM

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shaz - can you give me the summary? I probably will not have a free hour, this week!

shazeep 03-23-2016 07:44 AM

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boy, hard to summarize the implications of Confessions, but briefly, the US is all the way up in keeping S and C America destabilized. Hitman in this context is literal, and not just a figure of speech. I just grabbed a YT link, and i'm noticing now that this is not the original Confessions, but i'm sure the point gets made...ya, starts at 4:30.

FlamingZword 03-23-2016 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1427013)
boy, hard to summarize the implications of Confessions, but briefly, the US is all the way up in keeping S and C America destabilized. Hitman in this context is literal, and not just a figure of speech. I just grabbed a YT link, and i'm noticing now that this is not the original Confessions, but i'm sure the point gets made...ya, starts at 4:30.

More vicious anti-capitalist anti-American propaganda.
not worth wasting time for anyone who loves the free market.
great for those with communist sympathies.

shazeep 03-24-2016 07:18 AM

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Denial truly is a river :lol

Evang.Benincasa 03-24-2016 07:56 PM

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John Perkins is part of the hype.

Evang.Benincasa 03-24-2016 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1426807)
Spot on.

You can say that again. :)

shazeep 03-25-2016 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1427255)
John Perkins is part of the hype.

ya, and JFK was killed by a loner who shot a magic bullet too.
you've been convinced to accept money that has crashed 99%; the rest is easy.

Evang.Benincasa 03-25-2016 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1427310)
ya, and JFK was killed by a loner who shot a magic bullet too.
you've been convinced to accept money that has crashed 99%; the rest is easy.

Shaz you are mixing apples with baseballs.

I don't believe Perkins, he is on the same level as Alex Jones.

While some truth may bleed through there is always more distraction then facts.

shazeep 03-26-2016 08:27 AM

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he lays out how banana republics are economically enslaved, and is very clear when presenting opinion over fact. If you have some refute then let's hear it; bearing in mind that i doubt there is even a thread here complaining about QE. Did Muslims do that, too?

Evang.Benincasa 03-26-2016 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1427453)
he lays out how banana republics are economically enslaved, and is very clear when presenting opinion over fact. If you have some refute then let's hear it; bearing in mind that i doubt there is even a thread here complaining about QE. Did Muslims do that, too?

Bro, Banana Republics?

PLEASE, I'm begging you, read, study, and research the economic history of the United States, Mexico, Central America, and South America. United Fruit Company, Henry Meiggs. Shaz, if you haven't noticed we are in an Empire who has been a busy bee for a long long time. Perkins makes it all sound like it is all a surprise and just started to happen in our recent history. The situation is this, everyone in business (including the Donald) are looking to wet their beak. They have been doing it since man found precious items and baubles to trade. There were some who wanted all the precious items, and baubles so therefore they were willing to sacrifice scruples to get them. Nothing new under the sun. All this hullabaloo is the same girl different dress.

Perkins just places his tear jerker spin on it, makes everyone feel helpless. So, therefore without control over what he has just dumped in their laps.

shazeep 03-27-2016 08:34 AM

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well, i'd say that he is just a witness to what everyone already knew anyway. If you elect a JFK, those who run the world will execute him, and the assassins won't have to face justice.

FlamingZword 03-27-2016 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1427552)
well, i'd say that he is just a witness to what everyone already knew anyway. If you elect a JFK, those who run the world will execute him, and the assassins won't have to face justice.

JFK did not die, it was all a show, he is still living in a mansion, hiding in Area 51 in an underground bunker-palace, where all his needs are attended to.
Some of his neighbors are MLK , Michael Jackson, Tupac and some other famous people who got tired of celebrity and are hiding in there.

Birddog 03-27-2016 04:06 PM

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Jesus is coming soon, we must all work while it is yet day!

Evang.Benincasa 03-27-2016 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 1427572)
Jesus is coming soon, we must all work while it is yet day!

Not in a voting booth.

In a prayer altar, on the prayer bench, praying people through to the Holy Ghost!

Birddog 03-27-2016 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1427574)
Not in a voting booth.

In a prayer altar, on the prayer bench, praying people through to the Holy Ghost!

Dear Brother in the Lord, yes you are correct, there is a time for prayer but there is also a time for other things, important in their own way, also.

If you were praying God's will you would see that I am right and you should vote for Donald.

Please pray for Trump!

Evang.Benincasa 03-27-2016 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 1427579)
Dear Brother in the Lord, yes you are correct, there is a time for prayer but there is also a time for other things, important in their own way, also.

If you were praying God's will you would see that I am right and you should vote for Donald.

Please pray for Trump!

I am praying for the Donald, to repent, be baptized in Jesus name, and infilled with the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues. To join an Apostolic Church support that church and the ministers, and give money to Holy Ghost Radio. But as far as praying for a Whoremonger, son of perdition to have Missile Codes. Not on your life! :)

Esaias 03-27-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 1427572)
Jesus is coming soon, we must all work while it is yet day!

Until THE NATION repents, your electoral choices will always be Rehoboam vs Jeroboam.

Evang.Benincasa 03-27-2016 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1427593)
Until THE NATION repents, your electoral choices will always be Rehoboam vs Jeroboam.

:highfive :thumbsup

deacon blues 03-27-2016 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1427593)
Until THE NATION repents, your electoral choices will always be Rehoboam vs Jeroboam.

Not Biblical---"If MY PEOPLE, WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, then I will forgive their sin, then I will heal their land.

Until God's people repent...then will the land be healed.

Evang.Benincasa 03-27-2016 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1427611)
Not Biblical---"If MY PEOPLE, WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, then I will forgive their sin, then I will heal their land.

Until God's people repent...then will the land be healed.

Bro, that is a prayer that the Israelites were to pray if they sinned against God and God withheld the rains, or sent locust to devour their crops. If you ask a Rabbi today and ask him how is he "saved" which they really don't go for the concept. But if you were to ask him if he sinned against God, how does he get into right standing? The right standing is repentance. That is what will gain them entrance and security also in their land. Christians are a nation in the Holy Ghost, the Body of Christ, or nation is universal and around the entire world. :)

Land healing?

We are not stuck in just one geographic area, at the foot of one mountain.

deacon blues 03-27-2016 07:22 PM

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Of course, a contrarian view!

Evang.Benincasa 03-27-2016 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1427619)
Of course, a contrarian view!

Not a contrarian view at all. But what the scripture is trying to actually say. I'm sorry that you feel it means something else, but it actually was exclusively for a people who had a land. Not AMERICAN Apostolics and the United States. It might get a bunch of Apostolics in the U.S. shouting happy, but that it because you are misapplying the scripture. Again, we aren't confined to one geographical area, but the message of Christ blankets the earth. Jesus paid it all, and through His blood and His Holy Ghost we have the victory! So, Easias was 100% correct. The United States would have to have massive revival in order to get pass having to choose between Baal and Asheroth.

Esaias 03-27-2016 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1427611)
Not Biblical---"If MY PEOPLE, WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, then I will forgive their sin, then I will heal their land.

Until God's people repent...then will the land be healed.

Who are God's people? What are they to repent of? And how are they to do it?

Is voting for Trump the penance that apostolic believers must make?

The NATION is engaged in NATIONAL SIN. Therefore, the NATION gets Ahaz for its king, until the NATION recognizes JESUS is KING.

Meanwhile, the ekklesia has been delivered from the hand of the sinners in Zion, and Ahab and his nasty wife to boot. So the ekklesia's job is to TELL THE NATION that Christ is reigning, not Obama, Trump, Cruz, Rockefeller, the Queen, Cheney, or anyone else.

Yeah, the church needs to repent - it needs to repent of promoting and supporting charlatans as "viable leaders", otherwise known as IDOLATRY.

Birddog 03-27-2016 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1427611)
Not Biblical---"If MY PEOPLE, WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, then I will forgive their sin, then I will heal their land.

Until God's people repent...then will the land be healed.

Bingo!!!!

There must be repentence.

Evang.Benincasa 03-28-2016 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1427639)
Who are God's people? What are they to repent of? And how are they to do it?

Is voting for Trump the penance that apostolic believers must make?

The NATION is engaged in NATIONAL SIN. Therefore, the NATION gets Ahaz for its king, until the NATION recognizes JESUS is KING.

Meanwhile, the ekklesia has been delivered from the hand of the sinners in Zion, and Ahab and his nasty wife to boot. So the ekklesia's job is to TELL THE NATION that Christ is reigning, not Obama, Trump, Cruz, Rockefeller, the Queen, Cheney, or anyone else.

Yeah, the church needs to repent - it needs to repent of promoting and supporting charlatans as "viable leaders", otherwise known as IDOLATRY.

Two steaks!!!!!

Awesome words!!!!!

deacon blues 03-28-2016 06:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1427639)
Who are God's people? What are they to repent of? And how are they to do it?

Is voting for Trump the penance that apostolic believers must make?

The NATION is engaged in NATIONAL SIN. Therefore, the NATION gets Ahaz for its king, until the NATION recognizes JESUS is KING.

Meanwhile, the ekklesia has been delivered from the hand of the sinners in Zion, and Ahab and his nasty wife to boot. So the ekklesia's job is to TELL THE NATION that Christ is reigning, not Obama, Trump, Cruz, Rockefeller, the Queen, Cheney, or anyone else.

Yeah, the church needs to repent - it needs to repent of promoting and supporting charlatans as "viable leaders", otherwise known as IDOLATRY.

YOU need to repent---I need to repent---everyone needs to repent. But the fact remains that God said IF HIS PEOPLE would repent He would heal the land.

Deal with the man in mirror. I know that's hard to embrace being so spiritually superior and all...but you ought to try.

The problem with the church is we are too busy pridefully pointing our fingers at everyone else, rather than humbly big knowledge Ing we are not what we need to be.

Evang.Benincasa 03-28-2016 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1427738)
YOU need to repent---I need to repent---everyone needs to repent. But the fact remains that God said IF HIS PEOPLE would repent He would heal the land.

Deal with the man in mirror. I know that's hard to embrace being so spiritually superior and all...but you ought to try.

The problem with the church is we are too busy pridefully pointing our fingers at everyone else, rather than humbly big knowledge Ing we are not what we need to be.

Then why don't you take your own advise?

Esaias 03-29-2016 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1427738)
YOU need to repent---I need to repent---everyone needs to repent. But the fact remains that God said IF HIS PEOPLE would repent He would heal the land.

Deal with the man in mirror. I know that's hard to embrace being so spiritually superior and all...but you ought to try.

The problem with the church is we are too busy pridefully pointing our fingers at everyone else, rather than humbly big knowledge Ing we are not what we need to be.

Yep, back on ignore.

Evang.Benincasa 03-29-2016 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1427858)
Yep, back on ignore.

You are going to miss all DB's Archie Bunkerisms. :lol


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