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deacon blues 04-22-2016 01:59 PM

#NeverHillary
 
THAT needs to be the focus of conservatives/Republicans. This infighting and #NeverTrump #NeverCruz movement will only guarantee a Democrat victory in November.

Many of you rationalized not supporting the GOP candidates in 2008 and 2012 with ideas like "It took Carter to give us a Reagan; an Obama presidency will produce another Reagan like candidate." Well, you see what that voting mindset brought us. Eight years of Obama and we are far worse off than ever and RR hasn't emerged.

Truly it's better to have someone from our camp---Trump or Cruz---than Hillary. The consequences of the Democrats holding on to the Oval Office another four to eight years will be dire.

Whoever emerges as the nominee needs our support whether he is our candidate of choice.

A president cannot stop abortion, transgendered restrooms, gay marriage, or all of the other morality issues out there. Those are judicially directed. But a president can protect our borders, defeat our enemies, and can impact the economy. Trump and/or Cruz will be sufficient in those areas.

Hillary will advance liberalism.

We must stop Hillary, not Trump or Cruz.

Wake up America!

StillStanding 04-22-2016 03:31 PM

Re: #NeverHillary
 
I've said in the past that i would vote for a monkey if the monkey was running against Hillary! I may end up doing just that!

aegsm76 04-22-2016 03:33 PM

Re: #NeverHillary
 
Nope, can't guarantee it.
As a matter of fact I have never voted because I have never found a candidate to measure up to my standards.
Guess I need to run myself.
(Said tic)...

deacon blues 04-22-2016 05:38 PM

Re: #NeverHillary
 
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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1431674)
Nope, can't guarantee it.
As a matter of fact I have never voted because I have never found a candidate to measure up to my standards.
Guess I need to run myself.
(Said tic)...

There has never been a candidate, including RR, who satisfied all of my expectations. Yet as many Christian conservatives hold their presidential candidates to a standard that fits a Christian worldview, meaning oftentimes they don't vote for the GOP candidate, the liberals are content with getting some of what they want, incrementally eroding the traditional mornings of our nation.

Liberalism didn't take over this country overnight. It was done one election at a time, getting a little bit of what they wanted each cycle, sometimes more, sometimes less. But they are smarter than we are---they know that fundamental change occurs slowly, like the melting of a glacier. Christian voters, many of them, want it all in one fell swoop. Impatient lot they are.

FlamingZword 04-22-2016 10:53 PM

Re: #NeverHillary
 
Many here are getting hang up on the fact that the Tramp is not perfect.
OK so the Tramp is not perfect, But I would vote for a lowly slimy worm if it would stop Hellary from getting elected.

deacon blues 04-24-2016 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1431696)
Many here are getting hang up on the fact that the Tramp is not perfect.
OK so the Tramp is not perfect, But I would vote for a lowly slimy worm if it would stop Hellary from getting elected.

It's not difficult to understand the problem with a Hillary president versus a Trump presidency.

aegsm76 04-26-2016 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1431886)
It's not difficult to understand the problem with a Hillary president versus a Trump presidency.

Not for some, anyway.

Jason B 04-27-2016 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1431696)
Many here are getting hang up on the fact that the Tramp is not perfect.
OK so the Tramp is not perfect, But I would vote for a lowly slimy worm if it would stop Hillary from getting elected.

Trump not perfect? Thats a bit of an understatement. Or maybe not since he said he's never asked God for forgiveness nor had the need to.

But if you're comfortable voting for a thrice married man, whose an admitted adulterer, a casino tycoon, slum lord, foul mouthed, arrogant, and obtuse. A man who thinks nothing of slander, lies, and character assisnation, and who has a wife 30 years younger than him who has been tied to the porn industry as the first lady, then go ahead.


At least with the Clinton's they have abundant executive experience, Hillary would have Bill to lean on.

I can't believe we out of 300 million people, our choices will be this bad. This alone seems like God's judgment on us.

Jason B 04-27-2016 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1431886)

It's not difficult to understand the problem with a Hillary president versus a Trump presidency.

Convince me. Lay out some argument that Trump is superior. And it can't be what he's said in this campaign since almost every conservative claim/promise he's made, he has contradicted at another time during this same campaign. You can try to make it from his history, but again thats filled with liberal positions and financial support of HILLARY FOR PREZ. You can try to make it from a morals/values standpoint.....on second thought LOL. So why is Trump so much more preferable to Hillary?

n david 04-27-2016 12:12 PM

"""Now, I understand why non-conservatives are willing to back Trump: they agree with his ad hoc policy incoherence, his isolationism, his domestic big government agenda, his tariff-driven trade policy, his utter disdain for the social fabric of conservatism. As one delightfully terse Tweeter who, predictably, uses Trump in a Superman costume as his avatar put it today, "Screw conservatism. Give us Trump.""""

"""Conservatives who back Trump to defeat Hillary are not merely willing to toss conservatism into the trunk - they're willing to allow Trump to take it out to a hole in a cornfield, Casino-style, beat it savagely, and bury it alive. At least we won't get Hillary, they say as they grab a shovel.

There will be long-lasting damage to conservatism from Trump grabbing the banner of the Republican Party - unless conservatives make clear now that they will not honor Trump's hostile takeover of their philosophy.

That's the point of #NeverTrump."""

http://www.dailywire.com/news/5293/w...ign=benshapiro

deacon blues 04-27-2016 11:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 1432219)
Trump not perfect? Thats a bit of an understatement. Or maybe not since he said he's never asked God for forgiveness nor had the need to.

But if you're comfortable voting for a thrice married man, whose an admitted adulterer, a casino tycoon, slum lord, foul mouthed, arrogant, and obtuse. A man who thinks nothing of slander, lies, and character assisnation, and who has a wife 30 years younger than him who has been tied to the porn industry as the first lady, then go ahead.


At least with the Clinton's they have abundant executive experience, Hillary would have Bill to lean on.

I can't believe we out of 300 million people, our choices will be this bad. This alone seems like God's judgment on us.

At LEAST WITH THE CLINTONS???? Cmon Jason---do you need a refresher on the Clinton Corruption Machine for the past 35 years???

deacon blues 04-27-2016 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 1432220)
Convince me. Lay out some argument that Trump is superior. And it can't be what he's said in this campaign since almost every conservative claim/promise he's made, he has contradicted at another time during this same campaign. You can try to make it from his history, but again thats filled with liberal positions and financial support of HILLARY FOR PREZ. You can try to make it from a morals/values standpoint.....on second thought LOL. So why is Trump so much more preferable to Hillary?

As a a Republican he will need the GOP Senate and House. He will be pulled right by the party. In order to get things done he will have to appease the conservatives in Congress. A president cannot push through an agenda alone. Hillary is a Democrat through and through. She will always lean left and push for liberal ideology. Trump isn't my choice out of the GOP, but he holds more promise for conservative governance than Hillary any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Jason B 04-29-2016 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1432270)

As a a Republican he will need the GOP Senate and House. He will be pulled right by the party. In order to get things done he will have to appease the conservatives in Congress. A president cannot push through an agenda alone. Hillary is a Democrat through and through. She will always lean left and push for liberal ideology. Trump isn't my choice out of the GOP, but he holds more promise for conservative governance than Hillary any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Ok, point taken.
In my book Trump is only a tick ahead of Hillary. When it comes down to it and I'm watching election coverage, no way I'm wanting Hillary to win. But I'm pretty sure my stomach will turn if we elect The Donald.

n david 04-29-2016 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1432270)
As a a Republican he will need the GOP Senate and House. He will be pulled right by the party. In order to get things done he will have to appease the conservatives in Congress. A president cannot push through an agenda alone.

:toofunny

Rewind back 8 years...that's what people said about obama. Scary how much Trump and obama's campaigns are alike.


Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1432270)
Hillary is a Democrat through and through. She will always lean left and push for liberal ideology. Trump isn't my choice out of the GOP, but he holds more promise for conservative governance than Hillary any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Trump is a fake conservative. The only record or consistency he has is for liberals and liberal causes. No guarantee Trump will be a conservative once elected. No proof he will do anything he claims he will do.

jfrog 04-30-2016 11:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1432408)
:toofunny

Rewind back 8 years...that's what people said about obama. Scary how much Trump and obama's campaigns are alike.



Trump is a fake conservative. The only record or consistency he has is for liberals and liberal causes. No guarantee Trump will be a conservative once elected. No proof he will do anything he claims he will do.

Still think Ted Cruz is closer to being Obama 2.0 than trump

n david 04-30-2016 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1432426)
Still think Ted Cruz is closer to being Obama 2.0 than trump

:slaphappy :toofunny

jfrog 04-30-2016 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1432428)
:slaphappy :toofunny

It's funny that you find that funny.

deacon blues 04-30-2016 10:32 PM

Re: #NeverHillary
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1432408)
:toofunny

Rewind back 8 years...that's what people said about obama. Scary how much Trump and obama's campaigns are alike.



Trump is a fake conservative. The only record or consistency he has is for liberals and liberal causes. No guarantee Trump will be a conservative once elected. No proof he will do anything he claims he will do.

Soooooo....the rationale is?????

We KNOW what we get with Hillary. She is a Democrat and her coalition will include the most liberal and most non-conservative people. By virtue of being a part of the GOP, Trump will need to have to align with conservatives. Given the choice it's a no-brainer.

n david 04-30-2016 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1432471)

Soooooo....the rationale is?????

We KNOW what we get with Hillary. She is a Democrat and her coalition will include the most liberal and most non-conservative people. By virtue of being a part of the GOP, Trump will need to have to align with conservatives. Given the choice it's a no-brainer.

No, he won't. :lol He won't need or have to align with conservatives just because he played the entire GOP and won its nomination. Most of the GOP are dem-lite and establishment anyway. Not even the Congressional GOP leaders align with conservatives.

It's folly to believe that Trump will align with the conservatives. At best, he'll align with establishment GOP. At worst, he'll return to his liberal roots and align with the Dems.

Fiyahstarter 05-01-2016 12:47 AM

Re: #NeverHillary
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1432270)
As a a Republican he will need the GOP Senate and House. He will be pulled right by the party. In order to get things done he will have to appease the conservatives in Congress. A president cannot push through an agenda alone. Hillary is a Democrat through and through. She will always lean left and push for liberal ideology. Trump isn't my choice out of the GOP, but he holds more promise for conservative governance than Hillary any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

:thumbsup Word!

FlamingZword 05-01-2016 10:51 AM

Re: #NeverHillary
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1432475)
No, he won't. :lol He won't need or have to align with conservatives just because he played the entire GOP and won its nomination. Most of the GOP are dem-lite and establishment anyway. Not even the Congressional GOP leaders align with conservatives.

It's folly to believe that Trump will align with the conservatives. At best, he'll align with establishment GOP. At worst, he'll return to his liberal roots and align with the Dems.

Perhaps and perhaps not, but with Shrillary RottenHam Klingon we will get exactly that, not doubt about it. :D

Evang.Benincasa 05-01-2016 05:30 PM

Re: #NeverHillary
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1432475)
No, he won't. :lol He won't need or have to align with conservatives just because he played the entire GOP and won its nomination. Most of the GOP are dem-lite and establishment anyway. Not even the Congressional GOP leaders align with conservatives.

It's folly to believe that Trump will align with the conservatives. At best, he'll align with establishment GOP. At worst, he'll return to his liberal roots and align with the Dems.

:highfive


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