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We?

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Speaking in general terms. *I* don't do no hokey pokey.

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There Charismatics.

Those types of churches are basically involved witchcraft.

I'm not surprised when they do the hokey pokey, lift their hands while swaying, punching people in the stomach for a healing, or talking to angel guides like William Magical Branham, Smith Wiggles Worthless, and Todd Bent Lee.

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About 17 years ago I was at a Minn camp meeting service where the speaker preached about the hokey pokey. Heard with my two ears.

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Did he also have an angel guide? :heeheehee

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What do y'all think of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHBHKOLym8g

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OP isn't void of manipulation and hype.

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Please explain?

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Rilly?

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I am asking him to please explain what he means. The video? The original post itself? The original postER? Etc.

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It gets worse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X1HC-3s3uI

I am glad to see someone from within the Charismatic movement standing against this kind of stuff.

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I do think the Apostolic movement in the US is ripe from deception of this kind. Not at the individual or even necessarily the local church level, although it can happen there.

Wickedness is profuse. Saints lack depth and experience. What many perceive to be the Shadow of His Wings, is not so. Some are worship-addicts. They worship for what they get out of it (i.e. catharsis, usually). But when the worship experience doesn't deliver the high they are used to receiving, they move on to a harder form of worship, if you catch my drift.

I have seen all sorts of weird and un-Biblical things in the Apostolic/Pentecostal movement. It is rarely rebuked, even if the elders don't agree with it. They seek to appease and not hurt feelings, but in the process, weak and fragile souls become convinced offering God strange fire is the path to true spirituality. Monkey see, monkey do.

Compare Elijah's worship of God to the Baal worshipers. They performed all sorts of crazy things to get their god's attention. Elijah merely kept pouring water on the sacrifice. His God answered by fire (most likely lightning). Many Apostolic Pentecostals are trying to generate their own fire in worship, thinking it's coming from God, when it's not.

"Study to be quiet" has been erased from many Apostolic Pentecostal Bibles.

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I know a preacher/pastor from Liberia named Joseph Tarnue. He explained to me one time that in Liberia, if and when anyone was out of order, the minister would stop everything, point out the one acting up, and tell them directly "You are out of order! Be quiet and sit down!".

Ain't enough skin in the USA to handle that kind of rebuke.

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I didn't discern anything demonic. I felt it was abnormal and didn't fit in with what the man was originally preaching. When he first began talking about the community of believers and how the next generation needs to be trained and discipled and made ready to take their place, I perceived an anointing from the Lord upon it.

But as he continued and began talking about the "circle of life, like this drum", it seemed to me to fall off.

Had I been there, I don't think I would have been overly miffed. I would likely have raised an eyebrow or rolled my eyes a bit, but that would have been about it.

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The "end justifies the means" has been the credo of so many of the various forms of Christianity so-called in this country and likely abroad, even among the Apostolic Pentecostals.

This desperate, do whatever it takes to get God's attention so He will move and bless is bad theology. God is omniscient. His eyes are upon the righteous. He sees and He knows, and for the Spirit-filled, He is as close as He will and can ever be, this side of Glory.

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/\ what this guy said....


"we" aren't going anywhere and "we" have never done any kind of (un)Holy hokum....


that kind of thing has been around a long time. It aint new. it might be some new iteration but its that same old spirit that's been cheating people for a long time.

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I would like to add this....

I don't watch spiritual stuff. not on TV, not on you tube. not never.

now I will watch a video of some song, or some preacher. but when things turn to the spiritual (and by that I mean really in that realm im OUT.

I didn't watch these because they are that. im not interested. im not inviting those things into my presence. just not happening.

love yall. aint doin that.

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Spirituality is what the bible is all about. That which is born of Spirit is our spirits. I think you are using the wrong term, Ferd.

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Andrews Strom baptizes in Jesus' name and rebukes charismatics for not obeying Acts 2:38. But he's still trinitarian.

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I can't stand that novelty stuff.

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i'm hard pressed to see the diff in Trinny and your view that Jesus is God; could you explain it?

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Not sure who you're talking to, but my answer is trinitarians believe God existed as Father, Son and Holy Spirit for all eternity past, having no beginning, and interacting with each other, conscious of each other, and loving each other like a group, and are called three persons. Oneness teaches God is one person, had no one to interact with for eternity past, right up until He manifested in flesh as Son of God. The Son had His beginning in that incarnation, and only after that point was there interaction, but it was not between eternal persons, since the Son is not eternal. He's just God manifested in flesh remaining one person, and the only reason there was interaction from that point onward is because he would not be a genuine human being otherwise. It was THAT complete of a manifestation in flesh that the humanity actually relied on deity and prayed, etc.

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hmm. i'll have to meditate on that, but right away i see many conflicts with other Scripture, "before anything was, i knew you," "i was there at the beginning," etc.

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maybe...

maybe I should clear it up. Love me a good move of God in that most Apostolic way. seriously. I love a blowout service. I love the movement of the spirit. I believe in it.

I also believe in that quite move of the spirit in my personal life, and in church.


BUT there are more than one spirit.... and only ONE Spirit is good. The rest aint God and aren't good. period.

I don't do scary movies. I especially don't do those movies that get into spiritualism...Omen etc....

BUT I also will not watch a video of some charismatic goofiness. its a spirit that isn't God. I don't separate them out.

is that more clear? Its an extreme position, but I see no difference between a youtube of some charismatics doing the hokie pokie and claiming geebus and some terrible movie.

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100% truth!

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Again---really really in agreement here.

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Hmmmm..........just when you think you have seen it all. :icecream

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The entire charismatic movement reminds me of people who had to be told these words of Paul....


1 Corinthians 14:23 KJV (23) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?


...and that was with a viable element like tongues. And these jokers are gone hog-wild with HOKIE POKIE!!!

The Corinthians were a dream for Paul compared to this charismania!

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Yes, much better. It is actually spirituality versus NONSENSE!

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Brother Blume, please don't talk to shazeep. He doesn't want to know anything. I think he is the Zodiac Killer, who resurfaced as a Internet Troll.

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You really want him to explain to you how much he hates One God Pentecost?

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8 minutes that I will never get back. My feelings about this hokey pokey are the same way I feel about the times the pastor made us do Jericho marches around the sanctuary. One time he had several people march with brooms and whatever could be found in the church kitchen. SMH.

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Thanks for the new info. I only recently happened upon this as I was researching the Kundalini Serpent as it relates to the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

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ah sorry, i was paraphrasing, as i knew you guys knew the verses. My point is that the Oneness position as stated seems to be at odds with several passages of Scripture, which tells us that Christ was, before the earth was.

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amen. i liked the "study to be quiet" thing, don't hear that preached much outside of an Anabaptist service. The wisest people seem to be the most reluctant to verbalize.

That's is part and parcel with oneness. Christ was. But the "son" was not since there was no mother yet. How do you see Christ as Pre-existent if he's not God?

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well, the same concept carries over to us; God knew us before we were born, yes?

5I chose you before I formed you in the womb;
I set you apart before you were born. f

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TIL all charismatics are witches