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good samaritan 04-30-2016 06:40 AM

would like some proven health advice
 
I am 34 years old 6' tall and about 240 Ibs. It seems that most of my weight carry in my gut. The last 3 or 4 years it seems like I deal with indigestion and bloating stomach issues alot. Before I got married it seemed I could eat and my body would keep up. It seems like now I gain weight when I am fasting lol.

A man in our church recently had a mild heart attack and I it has got me thinking about the future. I don't want to be one of those 60 year old guys on 4 or 5 different kinds of blood pressure medicine. We are not promised a tomorrow, but just in case I want to do my part. Any advice to healthy foods and exercise routines that you have experienced to proven effective. This morning I set out to do a 30 min. run, I made it about 20 with a little brisk walking in between. I am bad out of shape.

Monterrey 04-30-2016 07:55 AM

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Extended fasting?

Esaias 04-30-2016 09:04 AM

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1. No fast food, period.
2. Reduce carbs, especially sugar and grains and breads, increase proteins (meat).
3. Calisthenics - start slow, pushups, situps, etc)
4. Long distance running is bad for you, do sprints instead.
5. Reduce processed foods to zero - use frozen or fresh veggies, meat from meat market/butcher shop, prepare your own meals.
6. Eat smaller meals but more often - this helps stimulate metabolism.
7. Lift weights using big compound lifts - deadlifts, squats, clean and press, etc.
8. More water, less cokes.
9. Vitamins.
10. Avoid GMO.
11. Do more outdoor activities of any kind.
12. Take up mma, boxing, wrestling, etc or some other athletic type exercise (swimming is also excellent).

FlamingZword 04-30-2016 10:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1432421)
1. No fast food, period.
2. Reduce carbs, especially sugar and grains and breads, increase proteins (meat).
3. Calisthenics - start slow, pushups, situps, etc)
4. Long distance running is bad for you, do sprints instead.
5. Reduce processed foods to zero - use frozen or fresh veggies, meat from meat market/butcher shop, prepare your own meals.
6. Eat smaller meals but more often - this helps stimulate metabolism.
7. Lift weights using big compound lifts - deadlifts, squats, clean and press, etc.
8. More water, less cokes.
9. Vitamins.
10. Avoid GMO.
11. Do more outdoor activities of any kind.
12. Take up mma, boxing, wrestling, etc or some other athletic type exercise (swimming is also excellent).

do you want to kill this Person?

A person who is badly out of shape or just starting exercising should not do
4. Sprints
7. lift weights
12. any of that stuff.

The list is good, except for those parts, which are OK for a person already used to exercising, but definitely will induce a fatal heart attack on someone just starting out.

FlamingZword 04-30-2016 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1432417)
I am 34 years old 6' tall and about 240 Ibs. It seems that most of my weight carry in my gut. The last 3 or 4 years it seems like I deal with indigestion and bloating stomach issues alot. Before I got married it seemed I could eat and my body would keep up. It seems like now I gain weight when I am fasting lol.

A man in our church recently had a mild heart attack and I it has got me thinking about the future. I don't want to be one of those 60 year old guys on 4 or 5 different kinds of blood pressure medicine. We are not promised a tomorrow, but just in case I want to do my part. Any advice to healthy foods and exercise routines that you have experienced to proven effective. This morning I set out to do a 30 min. run, I made it about 20 with a little brisk walking in between. I am bad out of shape.

Start easy and work your way up.

Above all be consistent, just being consistent will work the miracle.

Esaias 04-30-2016 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1432422)
do you want to kill this Person?

A person who is badly out of shape or just starting exercising should not do
4. Sprints
7. lift weights
12. any of that stuff.

The list is good, except for those parts, which are OK for a person already used to exercising, but definitely will induce a fatal heart attack on someone just starting out.

Nonsense. Everyone should start out doing what they can, and improve from there. Nobody is going to go from zero to 500 lb deadlifts in one week. Sprints are not heart attack inducing, that's why stress tests involve jogging not sprints.

As for number 12, we have several 40 something yr old guys at the mma gymn I go to who do catch wrestling. They are big guys with beer bellies and they look like they'd drop dead going up a flight of stairs, but they can pin and submit like champs cause they "git r done".

As always, start small and gradually increase the effort and in a year you'll be a new person. One can always improve their position.

Steve Epley 04-30-2016 11:52 AM

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It has been scientifically proven living causes dying.:thumbsup

FlamingZword 04-30-2016 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1432430)
It has been scientifically proven living causes dying.:thumbsup

Let me see those scientific studies. :D

good samaritan 04-30-2016 02:15 PM

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It has been Biblically proven that dying causes living.

Quote:

John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone:but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. 25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Esaias 04-30-2016 04:12 PM

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Nobody gets out alive.

Maximilia 05-01-2016 03:24 AM

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Dear Good Samaritan: I recently have stumbled upon a lot of amazing info on detoxing and maintaining balanced ph levels, etc. I know to many it seems laughable & like quackery but I am experiencing amazing levels of new energy. I decided a while back, with our pathetic health system overdosing so many people I don't want to live that way.

Please know, I AM NOT promoting any product brands nor am I in any pyramid selling schemes. I buy most things from my local health food store.

I went to a naturopath as I too had a lot of stomach problems following a terrible bout of bronchitis and a round of antibiotics in January. She prescribed a very good probiotic (refrigerated). I also drink Apple cider vinegar (1 TBSP) diluted in 8 oz. of water, take black walnut hull, cloves, wormwood and Oregano and am drinking lots of water. I'm also spending time in the sauna sweating out impurities.

I cannot believe how much better I am feeling. I'm astounded. It is a journey & I was one of those who thought people who did this sort of thing were
weird but I am seeing results.

good samaritan 05-01-2016 07:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximilia (Post 1432483)
Dear Good Samaritan: I recently have stumbled upon a lot of amazing info on detoxing and maintaining balanced ph levels, etc. I know to many it seems laughable & like quackery but I am experiencing amazing levels of new energy. I decided a while back, with our pathetic health system overdosing so many people I don't want to live that way.

Please know, I AM NOT promoting any product brands nor am I in any pyramid selling schemes. I buy most things from my local health food store.

I went to a naturopath as I too had a lot of stomach problems following a terrible bout of bronchitis and a round of antibiotics in January. She prescribed a very good probiotic (refrigerated). I also drink Apple cider vinegar (1 TBSP) diluted in 8 oz. of water, take black walnut hull, cloves, wormwood and Oregano and am drinking lots of water. I'm also spending time in the sauna sweating out impurities.

I cannot believe how much better I am feeling. I'm astounded. It is a journey & I was one of those who thought people who did this sort of thing were
weird but I am seeing results.

I was considering the apple cider vinegar. Someone else said Apple Cider Vinegar would help with the stomach issues and maybe helps metabolism. Hot peppers help increase metabolism, so I have been told? So far the last week my family have biked about 4 miles a day almost every day. I am not seeing any results at all yet, except maybe my energy levels may be slightly higher.

shazeep 05-01-2016 08:41 PM

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take care of your gut and it will take care of you. at 240 your intestinal bacteria is the same as that of a starving person. Weird but true

houston 05-02-2016 12:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1432545)
take care of your gut and it will take care of you. at 240 your intestinal bacteria is the same as that of a starving person. Weird but true

How do you fix that?

shazeep 05-02-2016 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1432573)
How do you fix that?

ya, it can be very tough for some people, i guess. Typically someone with a spare tire is overdoing fructose, likely eating lots of hfcs etc. So they have a candida overgrowth which has displaced most of the good gut bacteria, which must be eradicated before the probiotics will re-establish themselves. This describes most Americans pretty well. There are candida cleanses, but they are harsh, and not as effective as a three day fast with a morning chili/lemon flush.

The idea being to break the sugar addiction, and change the habit. If you go right back to several sodas a day, etc, it is pointless, but this doesn't mean you can't have sweets, or even some sugar; but even most of our probiotics--yogurt, kefir, etc--come with a hefty dose of sugar in them. Better to just eat some fermented foods as a habit, apple cider vinegar, etc, after eradicating candida, and even a course of probiotics in capsule form then, with as many different cultures as possible, like at least 8.

And best of luck there, i know it is tough. Fasting seems impossible to someone on a high sugar diet at first, and all said and done this is essentially about one's ability to fast. Seems like you're starving to death, when you quite obviously have a spare tire that you could run a month on :lol
if you drink soda, you might want to get over that habit before you even try to fast. Raw honey helped there.

So, get Mormon tea, go camping in the woods for 3 days, do whatever you need to do to fast for 72 hours. And then a good gut regimen requires a short fast every few days to rest the gut, but honestly those will be easy after the 3 day one. I don't even think of them as fasts now; they are just 2 or 3 meals that i skipped.

shazeep 05-02-2016 11:12 AM

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candida is just essentially a patch of weeds in your yard. You can spread grass seed (probiotics) all you like, but until you remove the patch you can't get grass to grow there. Symptoms of candida overgrowth are frequent uti and other infections, skin problems, clubbing, sinus issues, fungus issues, and others.

People are actually even having their infected lymph nodes removed, yikes. By people with the title of "Doctor" who should arguably be in prison, because they know better. But Dr's don't get paid by healthy patients.

FlamingZword 05-02-2016 12:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1432601)
ya, it can be very tough for some people, i guess. Typically someone with a spare tire is overdoing fructose, likely eating lots of hfcs etc. So they have a candida overgrowth which has displaced most of the good gut bacteria, which must be eradicated before the probiotics will re-establish themselves. This describes most Americans pretty well. There are candida cleanses, but they are harsh, and not as effective as a three day fast with a morning chili/lemon flush.

The idea being to break the sugar addiction, and change the habit. If you go right back to several sodas a day, etc, it is pointless, but this doesn't mean you can't have sweets, or even some sugar; but even most of our probiotics--yogurt, kefir, etc--come with a hefty dose of sugar in them. Better to just eat some fermented foods as a habit, apple cider vinegar, etc, after eradicating candida, and even a course of probiotics in capsule form then, with as many different cultures as possible, like at least 8.

And best of luck there, i know it is tough. Fasting seems impossible to someone on a high sugar diet at first, and all said and done this is essentially about one's ability to fast. Seems like you're starving to death, when you quite obviously have a spare tire that you could run a month on :lol
if you drink soda, you might want to get over that habit before you even try to fast. Raw honey helped there.

So, get Mormon tea, go camping in the woods for 3 days, do whatever you need to do to fast for 72 hours. And then a good gut regimen requires a short fast every few days to rest the gut, but honestly those will be easy after the 3 day one. I don't even think of them as fasts now; they are just 2 or 3 meals that i skipped.

Finally you are making sense.
I take my hats off to you for the first time ever.

I knew you had some common sense somewhere inside that head of yours. :thumbsup

shazeep 05-02-2016 12:27 PM

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:lol

good samaritan 05-02-2016 01:57 PM

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I never have been a big soda drinker, but I am sweet tea and coffee man. I would say that my hangup is the starchy foods (Breads and potatoes). I have been doing about only water for the the last couple days. I recently have went to the healthier whole wheat breads, but I am not sure if it is good for weight loss. Many people have advised me to go zero to no carbs. Been a while since I have been on a three day fast. Fasting has never been about weight loss for me, but I have always thought it was good for the body as well.

Esaias 05-02-2016 02:28 PM

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Zero or low carbs is more than a three day fast.

Slowly increase calorie burning via exercise, reduce carb intake, you'll get to where you want to be. Then burn more calories and eat what you like (as long as its healthy!) and you'll stay where you want to be.

good samaritan 05-03-2016 08:39 AM

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I rode bikes about 4 miles yesterday and spent 20 minutes on an excercise bike that morning. Repeating exercise routine again today. My energy level has increased this week and no heart burn last couple of nights. One problem is that it seems my appetite has increased because of the burning of more calories. I am not working harder so I can just eat more and stay where I am at. Is there any tricks to curbing appetite or is it just something we have to put up with? I don't want to go around feeling hungry all of the time. I can be disciplined and not eat too much or too often, but don't like the craving.

shazeep 05-03-2016 10:14 AM

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ya there are more than one factor that might cause cravings; nutrition level of food consumed is one, activity level, etc. Toned muscles require energy, and if you are hungry you should be able to eat nutritious food without gaining weight. But if you are already intestinally compromised, and are craving sugar, likely with less muscle tone, eating junk will make you fat. So you might observe what it is you are craving for a clue.

good samaritan 05-03-2016 10:31 AM

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Over all yesterday I feel like I ate decent. With the exception that my wife went grocery shopping and brought home some garden salsa sun chips. I love those things. I could set down and eat a whole bag. Breads and potatoes are what kills me. Pasta, chips, sandwiches, etc. are some of my favorite things to eat. I have had to acquire a taste for vegetables, but as a kid growing up I didn't eat anything good. Now that I am older, I am having to make myself eat my greens (especially for my kids). Junk food was all I ate growing up and it is hard as an adult to change those patterns especially when some vegetables literally make me gag.

Esaias 05-03-2016 10:49 AM

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I hear ya!

Help with veggies: Salad is da bomb.

Buy frozen or fresh, never canned.

Eat raw as much as possible.

Breads and pastas are hard to back off from, trust me I know. lol

It takes awhile getting used to a new menu, but if you up the meats and lower the starches, after awhile you will probably find you prefer less carbs. You'll discover they actually make you feel sluggish and blah if you binge on them. I never realized that until I had gone about two or three weeks low carb high protein, and then ate a bunch of breads and noodles. I felt drugged, actually. I realized that used to be my normal condition! It just feels better to keep the carbs in check.

I still demand a baked potato with my steak, though! Steak and potatoes are what we'll be eating in glory, I just know it...

good samaritan 05-03-2016 10:59 AM

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I have always heard if a diet is to miserable a person won't last. I am not trying to go off the deep end, but if I can watch my portions and do a better job with the types of food I eat then maybe I can develop a good diet routine I can live with.

shazeep 05-03-2016 11:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1432762)
I have always heard if a diet is to miserable a person won't last. I am not trying to go off the deep end, but if I can watch my portions and do a better job with the types of food I eat then maybe I can develop a good diet routine I can live with.

an issue there is that so much of our food has been corrupted in the name of preservation. Our wheat has been stripped to the white; even "whole wheat" is a joke. Our potatoes are chosen for shelf life, not nutrition, resulting in a higher carb model. Corn and soy are both detrimental in very high doses, and they are both in everything. These are what encourage candida, at which point you are no longer getting enough nutrition from even good foods, as you lack the flora to digest it properly. So you get cravings, which = gimme sugar, simple carbs, to reinforce the loop.

More or less, if you are eating from a package with a nationally known brand name on it, beware. I'm hardly a veggie freak either, so i found sugar snaps for easy roughage; but i eat beans a lot, too. If you keep a pot of beans around, and eat them whenever you have cravings instead of whatever, in a year you would not be worrying about a spare tire any more. If you think you don't like beans, you are prolly not putting enough pork in them. :lol

good samaritan 05-03-2016 12:31 PM

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Beans are good for the most part. I would rather meats than vegetables, but ironically I plant a large garden every year. This year a little lady in our church wanted a garden, but her older age prevented her from it. She and our church decided that on her five acres we would plant a large church garden. We have about every vegetable you can think of planted. Some of it I don't even know what it is. I am one those strange people who like to know how to do things. I like to be self reliant. Gardening, raising livestock, etc. are all things I enjoy doing. I know the only way to really get something organic is to grow it or raise it yourself. I have even noticed that the local Amish store in our area has begun to process their foods like everyone else. I compared a label of their stuff to the stuff in our cabinets and even the Amish had those same crazy ingredients that you can't pronounce.

shazeep 05-03-2016 12:46 PM

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ya, i just got back from Ohio, saw that, too :(

Disciple4life 05-04-2016 12:56 PM

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I got off of gluten and my cravings have disappeared.

It seems everything has gluten in it, but after you are off of gluten for a month you will not want to go back.

You feel that good!

Evang.Benincasa 05-04-2016 01:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Disciple4life (Post 1432916)
I got off of gluten and my cravings have disappeared.

It seems everything has gluten in it, but after you are off of gluten for a month you will not want to go back.

You feel that good!

:thumbsup

Evang.Benincasa 05-04-2016 01:42 PM

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Eat more bacon! :bacon

FlamingZword 05-04-2016 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1432920)
Eat more bacon! :bacon

come on, we have already did a couple of tangos on this bacon thing.

Bacon is evil. :smack

Esaias 05-05-2016 09:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1432762)
I have always heard if a diet is to miserable a person won't last. I am not trying to go off the deep end, but if I can watch my portions and do a better job with the types of food I eat then maybe I can develop a good diet routine I can live with.

Yes, its just that carbs are addictive, so the body freaks when it doesn't have it. Lasts for about a week or so. Then, you adjust to the new normal.

Of course I'm talking about a low carb high protein diet, eating enough (no starvation diets for me, please), and getting exercise.

Meat is what people are supposed to eat, specifically ribeye steaks cooked rare on a grill over pecan wood. ;)

good samaritan 05-05-2016 10:47 PM

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In my second week of being health conscious. I really am not dieting per say because I am still eating a lot of things I want, but I just being more critical of the things that I am eating. I have been exercising, lowering the carbs, and eating more bacon. If the scale is telling the truth I have dropped about 6ibs in the last 2 weeks.

I have been doing a lot of bike riding and spontaneous push-ups. My wife probably thinks I am crazy because I have been dropping down and doing about 10 push-ups all through out the day. I know it sounds silly, but 10 push-ups only take about 10 seconds and aren't that strenuous. If you do about 10 sets in a day you have done 100 push-ups that day. Honestly I enjoy doing them as well. I don't have time to spend hours in a gym. Exercising as I go is the only way I have time to do it. A bike ride with the family kills two birds with one stone (cardio family time).

I have also been taking Esaias advice and doing short sprints (conveniently to get things). This also gets things done faster. I can't believe how slow I have become. I used have some speed and now I am almost embarrassed to run in front of anyone.

Thanks for the feed back on this thread it helps me stay focused. doing a little research on the gluton. I don't really know what it is, but someone has spoken to me about it on here before.

Esaias 05-06-2016 12:17 AM

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Hey, that's great! That's good progress. +1

Disciple4life 05-06-2016 04:44 PM

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Technical answer-

Gluten is a general name for the proteins found in wheat (durum, emmer, spelt, farina, farro, KAMUT® khorasan wheat and einkorn), rye, barley and triticale. Gluten helps foods maintain their shape, acting as a glue that holds food together.

Real world advice-
Eat as many baked potatoes as you want(minus cheese and sour creme). Never and I mean never eat bread, cake, cookies, pie crust, brownies or noodles.

Evang.Benincasa 05-06-2016 08:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Disciple4life (Post 1433090)
Technical answer-

Gluten is a general name for the proteins found in wheat (durum, emmer, spelt, farina, farro, KAMUT® khorasan wheat and einkorn), rye, barley and triticale. Gluten helps foods maintain their shape, acting as a glue that holds food together.

Real world advice-
Eat as many baked potatoes as you want(minus cheese and sour creme). Never and I mean never eat bread, cake, cookies, pie crust, brownies or noodles.

Never eat baked potatoes, eat sweet potatoes and yams.

Evang.Benincasa 05-06-2016 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1432923)
come on, we have already did a couple of tangos on this bacon thing.

Bacon is evil. :smack

Bacon and CHICHARON!!!!!

God's natural superfood!!!! :yahoo

good samaritan 05-10-2016 04:56 PM

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Anyone got some healthy recipes to eat. My wife got a simple lintel soup recipe from a lady at church. It is going over pretty good. Ate some baked salmon for lunch today and I am beginning to enjoy healthier foods. Any recommendations appreciated.

FlamingZword 05-10-2016 05:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1433110)
Bacon and CHICHARON!!!!!

God's natural superfood!!!! :yahoo

If it was so, then Samson, would have been munching on it every day. :D


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