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Remember when we had major threads using the bathroom signs as proof that a woman should always wear a dress? All those arguments could become mute with the beginning of the age of bathroom neutrality. Surely the Lord is coming soon!

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That is a good one!!!

I was reading about the schools having to allow transgenders to use whatever bathroom they identify with! Without any declaration or medical waiver or anything at all! (Not that that would matter)

So I wonder how many young men, going through puberty, will all of a sudden decided to identify with a woman?

What a fiasco!

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When I was in high school when the good lookin blonde went in a dozen of us would have immediately self identified

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Exactly! That is what I am meaning.

Can anybody see the problems here?

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Yeah He coming, and leaving everyone behind in the United States. :nod

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We might ought to think about a Plan B in case the Lord doesn't split the clouds quite the way many envision :heeheehee:icecream

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:lol no kidding

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No, those signs were the norm worldwide for a culture which understood there was a difference. The only groups which used the signs in arguments were groups who believe in gender differences in dress. The ones who argued against outer gender differences in attire now can live in the hell they created. While we haven't yet come to maximum overdrive, we will be burning rumble in probably the next 10 years. I hope people would wake up but being awake in this society (especially in what they so call Christianity) is not happening anytime soon. Brothers that taught against women wearing pants were mocked, and people felt that it was deserved. Now, sadly, the liberal Christian can drown in the soon genderless culture around them.

Become mute? Wow, they were muted here, amongst those who were raised in churches which held outer standards. Three steppers debated, outer standards mocked like those who taught them were Biblical retards. Hey, live in it. Live in a society who now doesn't see any difference between the two. Boys, you have a world of hurt ready to come down, and you all just wanted to put pair of Wranglers on MeeMaw so she would be free? Sad, but you all get what you deserve. :heeheehee


He isn't coming to this country, maybe to a people who are still know the difference between signs on the bathroom door.

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Plan B!!!!

That is to stick my head in the sand and hope plan R (Immediate return of the Lord) makes it!!!

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Or..........keep showing the the love of God to all men and stop hoping for some sort of escapist solution?

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Bathrooms used by either sex has been going on in Europe for years and the Lord never came yet. God is not watching what goes on in the USA as if He ignores sin everywhere else. This Americanization of the Bible needs to end. And the bathroom issue is not a sign of the end anyway.

seguidordejesus is right. Keep on keeping on! Occupy til He comes.

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I have gone back and forth with individuals who were trying to prove that America is in the Bible. Yet, why is it that no one tries to prove that Canada is found in Bible prophecy? :happydance

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Yeah!

What about the great white north? Almost sounds like great white throne, too!

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I guess a better translation for "come up hither" should be "Take Off" and the Great Tribulation should be the Great Weatherin

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I believe Jesus is still going to return.

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Well, I believe this place is no longer on His list.

With the way things are going...

Sadly the United States WILL be left behind.

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We are more contextually critical and theologically scrutinizing, but the gospel is very simple. I think the church needs to get back to the basics. This culture of political correctness has produced people who are so open minded that their brains are falling out. In generations that have gone past they may have been more rigid and may have not been as deep theologically, but people were sincere and had a desire to please God. When I was kid in church I never heard a preacher even reference to the Hebrew or the Greek, but there was a sincerity to simply please God. My prayers are for this country to have a great awakening and get back to the basics.

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I can't speak for the nation, but as for me an my house, we will serve the Lord.

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Bro, when you were a kid, people had some common sense, and weren't whining snivelers. They worked hard, they prayed hard, and they worshipped hard. They believed in a spirit world where miracles took place, devils were cast out, and sin was called out. Sorry but this country looked over at God sitting at the other end of the building and asked Him to step outside in the parking lot. God just nodded His head, and told the United States to go out there and warm up, He will be out shortly. When God rolls up His sleeves, and finally steps up to give the U.S.A. what its been asking for. Sadly, there will be nothing left but a greasy spot. I pray that people will wake up and figure out how far they have fallen. But waking up doesn't look like it's on the to-do-list. No, the United States may just catch that well deserved beat down.

Don't get me wrong, I love this counrty from sea to shining sea, but the garbage we have allowed to be called Christian, may earn us the old boot in the hind end. When He is done stomping let's hope the people are ready to "revive."

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Same here bro, same here. :thumbsup

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:thumbsup

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I don't believe America is done for. I believe the history of this nation shows a special Providence in its founding and establishment and development. And that being the case, I believe there is plenty of reason to look forward to revival, restoration, reformation, and rejuvenation. In fact I believe there is an undercurrent of repentance running below the surface, ready to burst forth IF... if... the church will get back to the Gospel and quit trying to market a "better Jesus" than the franchise down the street.

All the failures of man are setups for God's glorification, one way or the other.

I do believe God has been correcting America. And will continue to do so. And I believe it will get very difficult, beyond what most Christians consider possible.

But God has a Plan for mankind, and we are part of it. I think God may surprise us all.

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Bro, it is all about those "IFs"

Yes God has a plan for man...it's called repent, and get out of the sinning business.

God doesn't have to surprise anyone He has His Word and people need to live it. Stop waiting for God to pull a rabbit out of the hat.

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America's founding flies in the very face of this chapter:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...13&version=ERV

What makes you think that there is some special providence for a rebellious nation? Why not declare independence from America if you disagree with something?

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Pull a rabbit out of the hat? Revival is not God pulling a rabbit out of the hat.

Its already beginning, anyway. It just isn't happening inside certain denominational fellowships, so (as usual) when it breaks forth to critical mass it comes as a "surprise".

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Your ignorance is astounding.

You've been brainwashed by godless humanists and it shows.

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If you are waiting for God to do something then you are waiting for the wrong individual to do something. He has already given the tools, the instruments to implement the plan. What I'm saying is that you won't have revival if you don't do it God's way with God's method. Fake Christianity will still hobble along packing out football stadiums. While the real church keeps heading down the narrow way, through the straight gate. The United States has been overrun with charlatans who blanketed the place with grace paste.

Bro, it will always happen in a remnant, a remnant in every generation.

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Enlighten me, then. I fail to see how the American Revolution is justified, Biblically. Justified otherwise, up for debate. I'm interested in the Biblical part. And how does that create a divine mandate, other than the "rebels" saying so?

Ultimately, not really important, as our current government is the one we're to obey within the grounds of morality.

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Then we agree!

The US has been overrun with charlatans. But there are 7000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal, and who have Promises that surpass what Elijah had available to him. And they are praying for real, genuine revival.

And it will come. America however will find herself in the wilderness of Shur first.

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If the Revolution was sinful, then the government resulting from it is illegitimate and illegal and sinful and rebellious. Therefore, allegience to, support of, or obedience to, the current governmental system is (per your own reasoning) illegitimate, illegal, sinful, and rebellious.

If something is not justified Biblically, then it isn't justified, PERIOD.

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You're mixing the kingdoms of earth and the kingdom of God, which is my point.

Biblically speaking, there's no way that I can see to justify splitting off from an existing government, per the Scripture I posted earlier.

"2 So anyone who is against the government is really against something God has commanded. Those who are against the government bring punishment on themselves."

If you allow the kingdoms of this world to be just that, then they can justify it based on taxation, slavery or whatever. It's important to separate the two.

Christians are not called to analyze the history of every government that they were born under. This is the situation that you and I were born into, so that's the one that we are to obey.

Romans 13:1 "Everyone who rules was given the power to rule by God. And all those who rule now were given that power by God."

All that said, I fail to see how the United States has any greater divine mandate than any other nation. Perhaps you can enlighten. I'm not anti-America and I'm not pro-anything else. I strive to keep it in perspective.

Don't we have enough work to do in our own communities, being the hands and feet of Christ, than to fight about the political realm that is out of our hands anyway? Is that even Christians' battle to fight?

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Correct me if I am wrong but I think Esaias was referring to a revival of people and not political America. It is this simple, if the church preaches the gospel and the people repent and turn to God we can see things turn around, but even then the seeds that have been sown will produce. Everything that we have put into motion, logically speaking, will affect generations to come. If the church preaches the gospel and the people rebel then judgement will eventually proceed. Whether that judgement is apocalyptic or just on our nation, there will judgement. There are government systems throughout history that are nothing but a shadow. America just like any nation rises and falls depending on the hand of God. If politicians and lawmakers really believed that, this would be a different place. The church is going to stand no matter what the nation does.

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No I am not. The kingdoms of this world belong to Christ, if they are not obeying Him they are in rebellion. The church has a mandate to declare unto the powers and principalities the manifold wisdom of God, it has a mandate to disciple ALL NATIONS, America included. Discipling means to bring under the yoke of teaching, to instruct in the ways of the Teacher. The church has a divine mandate ('the Great Commission') to disciple the nations in the doctrine of Christ, teaching them to obey His commands.

Romans 13 declares that civil governments are responsible to God to punish evil and reward/protect good, and that everyone - including civil magistrates - are bound to obey 'the higher powers'. The Revolutionary War was a war of self defense against an illegal tyranny, as the King had usurped power he did not lawfully have. There is nothing in Bible that forbids the War of Independence. In fact, the Bible clearly and unambiguously teaches that it is right and just and godly to resist tyranny and unjust exercise of authority, even if the offending civil magistrate is lawfully installed (1 Sam 14)

This is where the humanistic influences on your belief system are showing. Humanism demands a 'separation' between 'religion' on the one hand, and political power on the other hand. Humanists want Christians to keep their religion to themselves, compartmentalise their life so that religion has no influence on public policy. The reason is because humanists are antichristian and anti God. They want God out of the picture. So they invent this idea that God, Jesus, and the Bible is all about your personal life and ticket to heaven, and has no say-so in the area of public policy or how society is to be governed. Neat, and effective, as we can see that the acceptance of humanistic values such as this by Christians in general has led to an increasingly hostile antichristian public policy. As Christians retreat from the Mandate/Great Commission, society becomes more antichrist.

More humanism. Government is ordained by God. Therefore, government is obligated to obey God. The church's job is to inform all men everywhere of their obligations toward God, to herald the Reigning Authority of Jesus the Son of David, heir to the throne of Israel, and Inheritor of the World. Your perspective or 'paradigm' is fundamentally, at base, humanistic, and not Biblical.

Most professing Christians in America have the same problem, due to years of humanistic indoctrination in humanistic ideological training centers ('schools') and also due to humanistic leaven infiltrating churches.

The history of America demonstrates there is a 'greater divine mandate than any other nation'.

1. The miracles of Providence associated with its discovery and founding.
2. The world-wide missionary and revival efforts that launched from America and which were made possible by America's unique existence, which are unparalleled in human history.
3. The decline of America's 'greatness' in direct proportion to its departure from Biblical foundations, again not paralleled by other nations.
4. Numerous Bible prophecies point to America's role in God's overall divine Plan for mankind (such an idea of course is utterly verboten to the humanist-infected mindset).


How does one 'be the hands and feet of Christ in our own communities'? Connive people into joining our local church and emptying their wallets into the collection plate? Giving alms to the poor? While giving alms is certainly a Christian duty, it is not the PURPOSE or MISSION of the church. Jesus didn't start a United Way agency, nor did he start a feel good motivational counseling organisation.

The church is the ekklesia - a governmental entity in the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is 'not of this world', meaning not of the present world SYSTEM ('kosmos') or WORLD ORDER. The church is to advance the kingdom of God, to teach all nations to submit to Christ's authority, beginning in our own families and extending to our communities, nations, and the entire planet.

'Politics' is not something separate and distinct from 'religion'. Politics is simply the enforcement of a particular view of right and wrong. The question is, who's view will be enforced? Rebellious man's? Godless humanism? Communism? Socialism?

Or God's?

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If there is a (true) revival among the people of this nation, then the nation will experience reformation of society to become more conformed to God's word and will. The reason is because society is nothing more than a collection of PEOPLE.

Godly people produce godly leadership, who in turn lead society in a godly direction helping to produce more godly people. Likewise, ungodly people produce ungodly leadership, who in turn lead society down the drain into the spiritual gutter.

But there will be no revival until the church gets used to the idea that Jesus Christ really and truly is LORD OF ALL. And begins to preach that like she means it.

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Canada is just America Jr.

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Whoops! :happydance

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Brother Blume?

Do you think your counrty is America Jr? :)

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Agreed.

Prayer is my only resource for this nation. I can reach out with the gospel into the community where God has placed me, but I can only labor in my own local venue. I know that he is Lord of all, but convincing the world of that is the problem. One day every knee shall bow and tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

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No. Canada had the abominable gay marriage put into effect 11 years ago. Most Canadians consider Americans to be pushy and domineering and ignorant of other nation's values. Canada refused to join Bush in attacking Iraq. Major differences. And Christian Canadians think it's weird to worship God to the tune of the USA national anthem.

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Sort of what I have been trying to say in my last few posts. God =/= American patriotism