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n david 05-17-2016 05:47 PM

Scorching article against Republicans who support Trump.

"""Time and time again, Trump's supporters in and out of his cult ultimately conclude that any sin committed by Donald Trump is okay because he is not Hillary Clinton. It cannot be that they are both unfit for office. Trump, in every case, is more fit for office because Trump is not Clinton. Never mind the bankruptcies, never mind the endorsement of war crimes, never mind the advocacy of torture, never mind the swindling, never mind the affairs and women and corruption and mob ties and nepotism and repeated failures and the list goes on and on. Trump is not Clinton."""

This next part is important, because it shows what a fraud Trump is. He's not a conservative. He's never been a conservative. He never will be a conservative.

"""Then there are the issues. Both Trump and Clinton support a government run, Canadian style universal healthcare system. Both Trump and Clinton support increases in the minimum wage. Both Trump and Clinton support transgender bathrooms. Both Trump and Clinton have advocated increasing taxes on the wealthy. Both Trump and Clinton believe Planned Parenthood does wonderful things. Both Trump and Clinton have denounced free trade and demanded "fair trade." Both Trump and Clinton believe Washington needs to be stronger. Both Trump and Clinton believe deals must be cut. On issue after issue, Trump and Clinton have aligned at present or in the past with Trump even praising Clinton's work as Secretary of State and supporting her for the Presidency in 2008 on the same platform for which she is again championing.

But Trump is not Clinton so Republicans will embrace Clinton's policies under Trump's banner because, again, Trump is not Clinton."""

"""Former Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal took to the pages of the Wall Street Journal and went on television to tell America how absolutely unfit for office Trump is, but that everyone should support Trump because he is not Hillary Clinton."""

"""Just four years ago, Reince Preibus rallied Republicans to surrender the Missouri Senate seat to the Democrats..because of Republican Todd Akin's muddled answer on abortions..from rape. Now he demands we unite behind Donald Trump because Donald Trump is not Hillary Clinton."""

"""On any given day, some Republican defends Donald Trump's absurdity because Donald Trump is not Hillary Clinton. That is the ultimate defense of Trump. If you don't vote for Trump, you are supporting Hillary Clinton. We must stop Hillary Clinton. Any criticism of Trump benefits Clinton, therefore we must not criticize the precious Donald Trump."""

"""Too few Republicans will come out of this with their integrity intact and too many Republicans, thinking they can change Donald Trump, will instead one day find that Trump has changed them instead. But hey, at least he is no Hillary Clinton."""

#NeverTrump

Link

FlamingZword 05-17-2016 10:27 PM

Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...
 
He is not Clinton is good enough for many of us.

anyone who is not Clinton is fine with us.

n david 05-17-2016 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1434443)
He is not Clinton is good enough for many of us.

anyone who is not Clinton is fine with us.

Hitler wasn't Clinton. He probably would have been good enough for you as well.

Originalist 05-18-2016 04:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1434446)
Hitler wasn't Clinton. He probably would have been good enough for you as well.

I knew this is where this was going.

Originalist 05-18-2016 04:24 AM

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Q: in 2000, you wrote that you're a liberal on health care, and you supported a Canadian-style system, where the government acts as an insurer. Is that what you still believe?
A: You know, I looked at that. I looked at it very seriously. Some people don't agree with me on this: I want everyone to have coverage. I love the free market, but we never had a free market. Even before ObamaCare, it wasn't really free market. As an example, in New York, when I wanted to bid out my health insurance, we had boundaries. I could only go in New York. If I wanted to bid it out to a company from California or New Jersey, anywhere--you get no bids.

Q: But the single payer, you're not interested anymore?

A: No. No, these are different times. And over the years, you are going to change your attitudes. You're going to learn things and you're going to change. And I have evolved on that issue. I have evolved on numerous issues.


My prediction is that after Obamacare is gone, Trump will go back to the status quo of Medicaid for the poor, and an expanded free market approach for everyone else.

n david 05-18-2016 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434455)
Q: in 2000, you wrote that you're a liberal on health care, and you supported a Canadian-style system, where the government acts as an insurer. Is that what you still believe?
A: You know, I looked at that. I looked at it very seriously. Some people don't agree with me on this: I want everyone to have coverage. I love the free market, but we never had a free market. Even before ObamaCare, it wasn't really free market. As an example, in New York, when I wanted to bid out my health insurance, we had boundaries. I could only go in New York. If I wanted to bid it out to a company from California or New Jersey, anywhere--you get no bids.

Q: But the single payer, you're not interested anymore?

A: No. No, these are different times. And over the years, you are going to change your attitudes. You're going to learn things and you're going to change. And I have evolved on that issue. I have evolved on numerous issues.

My prediction is that after Obamacare is gone, Trump will go back to the status quo of Medicaid for the poor, and an expanded free market approach for everyone else.

Please post the link.

n david 05-18-2016 08:29 AM

Trump's 60 Minutes Interview from September of last year, pushing single payer healthcare:

"""Donald Trump: Obamacare's going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what's going on with premiums where they're up 40, 50, 55 percent.

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There's many different ways, by the way. Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, "No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private. But-"

Scott Pelley: Universal health care.

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?

Donald Trump: They're going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably-

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: --the government's gonna pay for it. But we're going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything."""

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...se-on-wealthy/

From a Town Hall in February, with CNN's Anderson Cooper:

"""Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper he likes the mandate established by President Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act that everyone must have insurance or pay a fine.

Cooper asked Trump during a town hall forum on Thursday night "If Obamacare is repealed and there's no mandate for everybody to have insurance, what's to -- why would [an] insurance company ... insure somebody who has a pre-existing condition?"

Trump responded, "Well, I like the mandate. OK. So here's where I'm a little bit different. I don't want people dying on the streets, and I say this all the time."""

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/19/tr...mandate-video/

Later, Trump tweeted one of his hundred clarifications he's had to do during the campaign:

"""I was asked about healthcare by Anderson Cooper & have been consistent- I will repeal all of. #ObamaCare, including the mandate, period."""
1:28 PM - 19 Feb 2016

Two weeks later, CNN reports on Trump's website release of his healthcare plan:

"""Trump also called in his health care plan for eliminating the individual mandate, which under Obamacare requires all Americans to have health insurance and which Trump suggested he was in favor of less than two weeks ago.

"I like the mandate. Here's where I'm a little bit different. I don't want people dying in the streets," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper on February 20 during a televised town hall event.

Trump has taken fire from his fellow Republicans for suggesting that "everybody's got to be covered" and that "the government's gonna pay for it" as he said in a September interview with CBS' "60 Minutes" -- a proclamation his rivals have tried to use against Trump to suggest he is in favor of government-run health care.

Trump's plan Wednesday, though, makes no mention of Trump's calls for every American to be insured, even if the government has to pick up the tab."""

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/02/politi...lth-care-plan/

Trump flip flops back and forth, from demanding single payer in his book (which I hear was a best seller. A great book. The best book next to the Bible.) to now claiming he wants to repeal the mandate and is not for single payer. I think on most of his issues he just flips a coin and whatever it lands on, he goes with that until criticism causes him to "clarify" what he actually means.

Trump is the most inconsistent and indecisive candidate for POTUS I've seen. Don't like his policy? Give him a week or so, it will likely change.

n david 05-18-2016 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434454)
I knew this is where this was going.

Hitler was just "reckless," so no worries. Besides, "some things we've been taught seems [sic] questionable." And "perhaps there is more to the story."

FlamingZword 05-18-2016 03:12 PM

Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...
 
who cares if the Tramp flip flops.

Hellary is consistent in her desire to destroy America.
She is consistent in being Pro-abortion.
She is consistent in being anti-America.

No sir, no flip flopping for Killary, she is consistent in wanting to destroy this country. :D

Originalist 05-18-2016 03:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1434471)
Hitler was just "reckless," so no worries. Besides, "some things we've been taught seems [sic] questionable." And "perhaps there is more to the story."

And that is a problem why? It does not mean he was not a monster. But even monsters can be spun with an ulterior motive.

But either way, bringing Hitler into the Trump debate is stupid.

FlamingZword 05-18-2016 03:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434509)
And that is a problem why? It does not mean he was not a monster. But even monsters can be spun with an ulterior motive.

But either way, bringing Hitler into the Trump debate is stupid.

Actually brining Hitler into any debate is a smart debating tactic.

You bring in the worst characters you can think in history and somehow associate those characters with the person you want to destroy.

Since after a while the name of Hitler will not be enough, we can expect new variations on the "Trump is Hitler" line.

possibly
Trump is Nero
Trump is Dracula
Trump is Charles Manson
Trump is the Anti-Christ
and so forth.

n david 05-18-2016 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434509)
And that is a problem why? It does not mean he was not a monster. But even monsters can be spun with an ulterior motive.

Right. Poor Hitler.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434509)
But either way, bringing Hitler into the Trump debate is stupid.

Complain to the author of the article for that. Wait, you probably didn't read the article.

Originalist 05-18-2016 03:44 PM

Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1434512)
Actually brining Hitler into any debate is a smart debating tactic.

You bring in the worst characters you can think in history and somehow associate those characters with the person you want to destroy.

Since after a while the name of Hitler will not be enough, we can expect new variations on the "Trump is Hitler" line.

possibly
Trump is Nero
Trump is Dracula
Trump is Charles Manson
Trump is the Anti-Christ
and so forth.

No doubt. And NDavid does it not seeking fact or truth. It's all a smear tactic, like his bring up white nationalists, as if though they were even a factor at all in the Trump question. How does one respect someone who uses such Jimmy Swaggart type tactics?

n david 05-18-2016 03:45 PM

From the article...which Lyin 0 apparently never bothered to read.

"""Hitler is not Hillary Clinton either. The neo-nazis and white supremacists backing Donald Trump fetishize Hitler too. Trump dog whistles to them and the Republican Establishment joins them in howls of delight. One need not stretch beyond Godwin's law to conclude that the current Republican Party would support Hitler too because Hitler, thanks be to the reich, is not Hillary Clinton."""

n david 05-18-2016 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434514)
No doubt. And NDavid does it not seeking fact or truth. it's all a smear tactic, like his bring up white nationalists, as if though they were even a factor at all in the Trump question. How does one respect someone who uses such Jimmy Swaggart type tactics?

You should read the article before posting false accusations like this which make you look stupid and foolish.

n david 05-18-2016 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434514)
No doubt. And NDavid does it not seeking fact or truth. it's all a smear tactic, like his bring up white nationalists, as if though they were even a factor at all in the Trump question. How does one respect someone who uses such Jimmy Swaggart type tactics?

Lyin' 0, lying as usual. Do you ever post anything which is honest and not either a blatant lie, dishonest or misleading?

FlamingZword 05-18-2016 03:54 PM

Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434514)
No doubt. And NDavid does it not seeking fact or truth. it's all a smear tactic, like his bring up white nationalists, as if though they were even a factor at all in the Trump question. How does one respect someone who uses such Jimmy Swaggart type tactics?

I soon expect someone to photoshop a picture of the Tramp wearing a white robe while torching a Cross. It is bound to happen.

Hmm I wonder if NDavid knows photoshop.

n david 05-18-2016 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1434512)
Actually brining Hitler into any debate is a smart debating tactic.

You bring in the worst characters you can think in history and somehow associate those characters with the person you want to destroy.

Since after a while the name of Hitler will not be enough, we can expect new variations on the "Trump is Hitler" line.

possibly
Trump is Nero
Trump is Dracula
Trump is Charles Manson
Trump is the Anti-Christ
and so forth.

Well, we could your thing and make up a silly name for Trump as you do for Hillary. But that's boring.

n david 05-18-2016 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1434521)
I soon expect someone to photoshop a picture of the Tramp wearing a white robe while torching a Cross. It is bound to happen.

Hmm I wonder if NDavid knows photoshop.

I'd imagine it's already out there. But no, I'm not interested in creating such a picture.

Had the article not stated it, I wouldn't have mentioned it.

Fionn mac Cumh 05-18-2016 04:22 PM

Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1434443)
He is not Clinton is good enough for many of us.

anyone who is not Clinton is fine with us.

Castro is better than Fulgencio Batista Zaldívar. O wait...

n david 05-18-2016 04:41 PM

A portion of an article by Ben Shapiro. He must not understand that Lyin 0 says Trump doesn't have racist supporters. Shapiro is just smearing the Great White Hope!

"""Trump's Anti-Semitic Supporters"""

"""Donald Trump's nomination has drawn anti-Semites from the woodwork.

I've experienced more pure, unadulterated anti-Semitism since coming out against Trump's candidacy than at any other time in my political career. Trump supporters have threatened me and other Jews who hold my viewpoint. They've blown up my e-mail inbox with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. They greeted the birth of my second child by calling for me, my wife, and two children to be thrown into a gas chamber.

Yes, seriously.

This isn't a majority of Trump supporters, obviously. It's not even a large minority. But there is a significant core of Trump support that not only traffics in anti-Semitism but celebrates it -- and god-worships Trump as the leader of an anti-Jewish movement."""

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...n=May18Shapiro

#ClassyTrumpsters

Fionn mac Cumh 05-18-2016 04:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1434529)
A portion of an article by Ben Shapiro.

"""Trump's Anti-Semitic Supporters"""

"""Donald Trump's nomination has drawn anti-Semites from the woodwork.

I've experienced more pure, unadulterated anti-Semitism since coming out against Trump's candidacy than at any other time in my political career. Trump supporters have threatened me and other Jews who hold my viewpoint. They've blown up my e-mail inbox with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. They greeted the birth of my second child by calling for me, my wife, and two children to be thrown into a gas chamber.

Yes, seriously.

This isn't a majority of Trump supporters, obviously. It's not even a large minority. But there is a significant core of Trump support that not only traffics in anti-Semitism but celebrates it -- and god-worships Trump as the leader of an anti-Jewish movement."""

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...n=May18Shapiro

We all must bow down to our Jewish over lords.

n david 05-18-2016 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1434530)
We all must bow down to our Jewish over lords.

Wow. Completely missed the point.

Fionn mac Cumh 05-18-2016 04:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1434531)
Wow. Completely missed the point.

Actually I didnt. It just confirms what a lot already knew, majority of trump supporters are racist pukes.

Originalist 05-18-2016 07:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1434534)
Actually I didnt. It just confirms what a lot already knew, majority of trump supporters are racist pukes.

Some might say the same of you for denying the official holocaust number of 6 million.

You have ZERO evidence to base your assertion on that the majority of Trump supporters are racist.

FlamingZword 05-18-2016 08:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1434534)
Actually I didnt. It just confirms what a lot already knew, majority of trump supporters are racist pukes.

Have you counted them?

n david 05-18-2016 08:17 PM

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:popcorn2

Birddog 05-18-2016 11:43 PM

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Trump is God's gift to America!!!

Everyone on this forum ought to register to work on his campaign, vote for Trump, get your friends to vote for Trump, get your family to vote for Trump.....

Because....

Otherwise you are voting for Hillary!!!!

Everybody knows that [you] is voting for Trump!

Fionn mac Cumh 05-19-2016 08:46 AM

Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434544)
Some might say the same of you for denying the official holocaust number of 6 million.

You have ZERO evidence to base your assertion on that the majority of Trump supporters are racist.

Its not being racist. Its called being skeptical. Its healthy. Are 9/11 truthers racist?

n david 05-19-2016 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434544)
Some might say the same of you for denying the official holocaust number of 6 million.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1388635)
I'm neutral on that subject....However, I too have wondered about the 6 million figure. I've also come to wonder about the mass gassings. There are Jewish scholars who are adamant that nobody much was gassed at Auschwitz or Treblinka.

:hmmm

Originalist 05-19-2016 10:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1434591)
:hmmm


Here's the point Though I feel FMC might be correct in his belief that the 6 million figure may not be accurate, just questioning it could get him unjustly jailed as a "Anti-Semetic Holocaust Denier" is some countries. Thus, one would hope he would extend more courtesy and open-mindedness to Trump supporters and not claim most of them are racist.

Fionn mac Cumh 05-19-2016 10:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434598)
Here's the point Though I feel FMC might be correct in her belief that the 6 million figure may not be accurate, just questioning it could get her unjustly jailed as a "Anti-Semetic Holocaust Denier" is some countries. Thus, one would hope she would extend more courtesy and open-mindedness to Trump supporters and not claim most of them are racist.

Im a dude. I have told you this numerous times.

Most trump supporters are racist. I didnt say all. I said most. Nothing wrong.

Originalist 05-19-2016 10:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1434599)
Im a dude. I have told you this numerous times.

Most trump supporters are racist. I didnt say all. I said most. Nothing wrong.

But with no data to back up your claim.

Fionn mac Cumh 05-19-2016 10:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434602)
But with no data to back up your claim.

Just based on some of their actions.

n david 05-19-2016 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1434607)
Just based on some of their actions.

I agree that many Trump supporters are racist, anti-Semitic and white nationalists. 0 doesn't want to believe his candidate appeals to these kind of people. No amount of data will change his mind.

You shall not smear the Great White Hope!

Originalist 05-19-2016 11:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1434608)
I agree that many Trump supporters are racist, anti-Semitic and white nationalists. 0 doesn't want to believe his candidate appeals to these kind of people. No amount of data will change his mind.

You shall not smear the Great White Hope!

I cannot believe data that you have yet to produce. Where is it?

As for "white nationalists"....It is a common belief among probably the majority of conservatives that white people (white men in general) are being systematically disenfranchised globally. The typical conservative wants to combat this through de-emphasizing race, stressing the "we are all Americans" mantra. Most white nationalists dream of being able to form some sort of "white homeland" in North America to salvage the white race. Though I'm sure the white nationalists groups have no illusion that Trump is going to help them achieve their goal of a white homeland, they do see him as someone who will at least halt the attack against Americans that happen to be of European descent. Thus why is the fact that they support Trump a negative?

Originalist 05-19-2016 11:10 AM

Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1434607)
Just based on some of their actions.

Like insisting that our immigration laws be enforced? Is that "racist" to you?

n david 05-19-2016 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434613)
I cannot believe data that you have yet to produce. Where is it?

On my laptop. Started to post something a couple months ago, but wanted more info. Though, as stated, no amount of info would change what you wish to willfully ignore. The info is widely available for those who look for it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434613)
As for "white nationalists"....It is a common belief among probably the majority of conservatives that white people (white men in general) are being systematically disenfranchised globally. The typical conservative wants to combat this through de-emphasizing race, stressing the "we are all Americans" mantra. Most white nationalists dream of being able to form some sort of "white homeland" in North America to salvage the white race. Though I'm sure the white nationalists groups have no illusion that Trump is going to help them achieve their goal of a white homeland, they do see him as someone who will at least halt the attack against Americans that happen to be of European descent. Thus why is the fact that they support Trump a negative?

Based on the defense offered here, you sound like you either are one or support them.

Why would support from racists be a negative? :hmmm

Originalist 05-19-2016 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1434631)
On my laptop. Started to post something a couple months ago, but wanted more info. Though, as stated, no amount of info would change what you wish to willfully ignore. The info is widely available for those who look for it.


Based on the defense offered here, you sound like you either are one or support them.

Why would support from racists be a negative? :hmmm

NDavid, I assumed you knew more about these groups than I. So i assumed also you would actually understand my analysis of their rationale rather than think i somehow sympathize with their views since nothing was said on my part that even remotely hints at sympathy My assumption that you could (or would) differentiate between an analysis and a defense was obviously an error.

n david 05-19-2016 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1434640)
NDavid, I assumed you knew more about these groups than I. So i assumed also you would actually understand my analysis of their rationale rather than think i somehow sympathize with their views since nothing was said on my part that even remotely hints at sympathy My assumption that you could (or would) differentiate between an analysis and a defense was obviously an error.

:bored


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