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Whoop Harted 06-18-2016 02:49 PM

America going downhill since 1973
 
This is something that caught my eye recently.

All financial charts show that the peak prosperity for the US, adjusted for inflation, was in the latter months of 1972 and early 1973. Since that time there has been a constant erosion of prosperity for this nation and a constant decline of the middle class.

There has been a lot of study on this from various financial gurus but I was thinking.....

What was the stimulus that started this downfall?

Was it oil?

Was it housing?

Or is this the result if something else?

What major decision, on a national level, was made by this country in 1973 that would cause a change in it's prosperity?

Could it be that the decision to embrace Roe vs Wade has now brought a national judgment?

Psa 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
Psa 33:13 The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.
Psa 33:14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
Psa 33:15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.

Since this decision from a national level we now see national judgment.

Just recently we have seen the low-mark of gay marriage, gays in the military, the fragmentation of the family structure, and the total offensive against anything Godly and righteous.

The Church is increasingly coming under attack, righteousness is being mocked, Christianity ridiculed and discriminated against, and this is only the beginning.

So what is a Godly Christian to do?

Esaias 06-18-2016 04:35 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoop Harted (Post 1437716)
This is something that caught my eye recently.

All financial charts show that the peak prosperity for the US, adjusted for inflation, was in the latter months of 1972 and early 1973. Since that time there has been a constant erosion of prosperity for this nation and a constant decline of the middle class.

There has been a lot of study on this from various financial gurus but I was thinking.....

What was the stimulus that started this downfall?

Was it oil?

Was it housing?

Or is this the result if something else?

What major decision, on a national level, was made by this country in 1973 that would cause a change in it's prosperity?

Could it be that the decision to embrace Roe vs Wade has now brought a national judgment?

Absolutely. 100%. BUT, Roe v Wade was not the 'beginning', it was a symptom of a greater problem, that had begun much earlier. As Christians of all denominations etc began moving away from a Biblical worldview, and embracing modernism and liberalism, and as people began to no longer view the Word of God as something to actually LIVE by but as just a fairy tale to tell the kids on Sunday mornings, the nation of course began to embrace things that are contrary to the Word of God.

It was a series of incremental steps, but I do believe Roe v Wade was a high water mark in the downfall of this nation, definitely.

Quote:

Psa 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
Psa 33:13 The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.
Psa 33:14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
Psa 33:15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.

Since this decision from a national level we now see national judgment.

Just recently we have seen the low-mark of gay marriage, gays in the military, the fragmentation of the family structure, and the total offensive against anything Godly and righteous.

The Church is increasingly coming under attack, righteousness is being mocked, Christianity ridiculed and discriminated against, and this is only the beginning.
Canada just opened the door to legalised bestiality. I believe either Oregon or Washington state is making similar moves (again, incrementally, bit by bit). Things that were unheard of only 20 years ago are being passed off as 'mainstream'.

Quote:

So what is a Godly Christian to do?
First of all, live for God, unashamedly. And that includes promoting the kingdom of God, and His righteousness. Christians are servants of a King. That King has laws, that govern His kingdom. We must stand for His decrees, regardless of what the world says.

We should also remember this warning:

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
(Hosea 4:6)

Get your kids out of the government indoctrination centers, teach them truth instead of humanistic antichristian lies and garbage. Preachers need to emphasise this to parents, the church needs to support and promote saving our children, and Christians need to return to God's ways and hold them up as the blueprint for all we do. Otherwise, if we turn away from God (regardless of our religious professions on Sunday) then our children will be lost.

Hosea 4:6 is being played out before our very eyes.

CC1 06-18-2016 07:44 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoop Harted (Post 1437716)
This is something that caught my eye recently.

All financial charts show that the peak prosperity for the US, adjusted for inflation, was in the latter months of 1972 and early 1973. Since that time there has been a constant erosion of prosperity for this nation and a constant decline of the middle class.

There has been a lot of study on this from various financial gurus but I was thinking.....

What was the stimulus that started this downfall?

Was it oil?

Was it housing?

Or is this the result if something else?

What major decision, on a national level, was made by this country in 1973 that would cause a change in it's prosperity?

Could it be that the decision to embrace Roe vs Wade has now brought a national judgment?

Psa 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
Psa 33:13 The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.
Psa 33:14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
Psa 33:15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.

Since this decision from a national level we now see national judgment.

Just recently we have seen the low-mark of gay marriage, gays in the military, the fragmentation of the family structure, and the total offensive against anything Godly and righteous.

The Church is increasingly coming under attack, righteousness is being mocked, Christianity ridiculed and discriminated against, and this is only the beginning.

So what is a Godly Christian to do?

Interesting and thyought provoking post!

Whoop Harted 06-19-2016 08:19 AM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1437717)
Absolutely. 100%. BUT, Roe v Wade was not the 'beginning', it was a symptom of a greater problem, that had begun much earlier. As Christians of all denominations etc began moving away from a Biblical worldview, and embracing modernism and liberalism, and as people began to no longer view the Word of God as something to actually LIVE by but as just a fairy tale to tell the kids on Sunday mornings, the nation of course began to embrace things that are contrary to the Word of God.

It was a series of incremental steps, but I do believe Roe v Wade was a high water mark in the downfall of this nation, definitely.

Canada just opened the door to legalised bestiality. I believe either Oregon or Washington state is making similar moves (again, incrementally, bit by bit). Things that were unheard of only 20 years ago are being passed off as 'mainstream'.

First of all, live for God, unashamedly. And that includes promoting the kingdom of God, and His righteousness. Christians are servants of a King. That King has laws, that govern His kingdom. We must stand for His decrees, regardless of what the world says.

We should also remember this warning:

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
(Hosea 4:6)

Get your kids out of the government indoctrination centers, teach them truth instead of humanistic antichristian lies and garbage. Preachers need to emphasise this to parents, the church needs to support and promote saving our children, and Christians need to return to God's ways and hold them up as the blueprint for all we do. Otherwise, if we turn away from God (regardless of our religious professions on Sunday) then our children will be lost.

Hosea 4:6 is being played out before our very eyes.

I believe that we are going to see further judgment in this nation, it will not repent as a nation so will bring on itself the judgments of God.

But that being said, I do believe that as history has taught us, there will be Godly Christian groups that will form communities or associations, based upon righteousness, that God will bless.

With those blessings will come prosperity. With those blessings will come a higher level of living that the unrighteous will not see.

I do believe that this is the hour for the Church to shine.

We must hold fast to the ideals that are Godly and righteous.

God bless His Church.

shazeep 06-19-2016 08:59 AM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
But that being said, I do believe that as history has taught us, there will be Godly Christian groups that will form communities or associations, based upon righteousness, that God will bless.

this seems to be a call to cloister, which def has its appeal, but i don't think this is what God wants; it doesn't rep a "ship at sea," but a ship in a safe harbor.

With those blessings will come prosperity. With those blessings will come a higher level of living that the unrighteous will not see.

i think we strive to attain OT standards in a NT reality, making a prosperity gospel attractive. Scripture warns us about a mindset that views yesterday as being better than today, and while i sure feel it too, i think this is not from God. Who here would willingly go back to life even 100 years ago? Hasn't the standard of living for virtually the whole world risen dramatically since then?

Granted, we have Scriptural conundrums @ "Job was a righteous man, and very rich" and "Remember, in your life you had all the good things," but we underwent a dispensational change in the interim, that i don't think the church has yet caught up to.

shazeep 06-19-2016 09:01 AM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
What is "America" if not some place in the world that you might identify with, that is not the Kingdom?

FlamingZword 06-19-2016 10:50 AM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1437717)
Canada just opened the door to legalised bestiality. I believe either Oregon or Washington state is making similar moves (again, incrementally, bit by bit). Things that were unheard of only 20 years ago are being passed off as 'mainstream'.

Didn't I predicted many years ago that eventually people would be able to marry Lassie and Fido?

Hey I am a prophet!
Not really, anyone with some sense could see this was coming. :D

Whoop Harted 06-19-2016 06:23 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1437764)
Didn't I predicted many years ago that eventually people would be able to marry Lassie and Fido?

Hey I am a prophet!
Not really, anyone with some sense could see this was coming. :D

That is funny.

Some things are just too blatantly obvious.....
:thumbsup

shazeep 06-20-2016 07:09 AM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAAKPJEq1Ew

FlamingZword 06-20-2016 07:15 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoop Harted (Post 1437773)
That is funny.

Some things are just too blatantly obvious.....
:thumbsup

time to hide your pets :D
or one day someone will knock at your door asking for your pet in marriage.
and you will be asked to fork over the costs of the wedding.

votivesoul 06-21-2016 12:23 AM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoop Harted (Post 1437750)
I believe that we are going to see further judgment in this nation, it will not repent as a nation so will bring on itself the judgments of God.

But that being said, I do believe that as history has taught us, there will be Godly Christian groups that will form communities or associations, based upon righteousness, that God will bless.

With those blessings will come prosperity. With those blessings will come a higher level of living that the unrighteous will not see.

I do believe that this is the hour for the Church to shine.

We must hold fast to the ideals that are Godly and righteous.

God bless His Church.

I disagree. Mercy rejoices against judgment. Grace abounds much more if sin abounds. God was in Christ, not imputing our trespasses against us (i.e. not condemning us for our sins).

The Galileans were not worse sinners because Pilate mixed their blood with the sacrifices. Nor were the ones killed when a tower fell on them.

The USA, like any other nation, collectively and individually, will all likewise perish, except she repents.

Didn't one of the prophets prophesy once and say that all nations are vain, they are less than nothing, to and before God?

Do not let the mass media fool you into thinking that the vast majority of US citizens are on board with all the Hollywood trash and D.C. ungodliness. There are many more folk who believe in God and are trying as best as they know how, to live a moral life, compared to the rotten apples trying to ruin the whole bunch.

Godsdrummer 06-21-2016 08:30 AM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by votivesoul (Post 1437822)
I disagree. Mercy rejoices against judgment. Grace abounds much more if sin abounds. God was in Christ, not imputing our trespasses against us (i.e. not condemning us for our sins).

The Galileans were not worse sinners because Pilate mixed their blood with the sacrifices. Nor were the ones killed when a tower fell on them.

The USA, like any other nation, collectively and individually, will all likewise perish, except she repents.

Didn't one of the prophets prophesy once and say that all nations are vain, they are less than nothing, to and before God?

Do not let the mass media fool you into thinking that the vast majority of US citizens are on board with all the Hollywood trash and D.C. ungodliness. There are many more folk who believe in God and are trying as best as they know how, to live a moral life, compared to the rotten apples trying to ruin the whole bunch.

:thumbsup

thephnxman 06-22-2016 12:07 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoop Harted (Post 1437750)
(1) I believe that we are going to see further judgment in this nation, it will not repent as a nation so will bring on itself the judgments of God.
But that being said, I do believe that (2) as history has taught us, there will be Godly Christian groups that will form communities or associations, based upon righteousness, that God will bless.
(3) With those blessings will come prosperity. With those blessings will come a higher level of living that the unrighteous will not see.
I do believe that this is the hour for the Church to shine.
We must hold fast to the ideals that are Godly and righteous.
God bless His Church.


(1) Yes: if we (as a Christian nation/people) do not repent, judgment
will come on us FIRST!

(2) We must not rely solely on history, but obey the calling to repent
TODAY/NOW!

(3) Blessings or condemnation will come upon the U.S., as the Church
either OBEYS or stops her ears.

EVERY hour and EVERY day is the time for the Church to shine.

Pendragon 06-27-2016 05:59 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
1969 marked the beginning of the rise of the LGBT movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

"On June 28, 1970, the first Gay Pride marches took place in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Chicago commemorating the anniversary of the riots."

Yet another manifestation of the spirit of Antichrist on the rise in the late 60's/early 70's.

shazeep 07-04-2016 07:41 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by votivesoul (Post 1437822)
I disagree. Mercy rejoices against judgment. Grace abounds much more if sin abounds. God was in Christ, not imputing our trespasses against us (i.e. not condemning us for our sins).

The Galileans were not worse sinners because Pilate mixed their blood with the sacrifices. Nor were the ones killed when a tower fell on them.

The USA, like any other nation, collectively and individually, will all likewise perish, except she repents.

Didn't one of the prophets prophesy once and say that all nations are vain, they are less than nothing, to and before God?

Do not let the mass media fool you into thinking that the vast majority of US citizens are on board with all the Hollywood trash and D.C. ungodliness. There are many more folk who believe in God and are trying as best as they know how, to live a moral life, compared to the rotten apples trying to ruin the whole bunch.

amen. it's a matter of where you put your eyes :)

Dante 07-04-2016 08:28 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Actually, the moment white people stepped foot on this continent for the first time, colonized its inhabitants, and killed people for the purposes of land grabbing, that's when this country started going down hill.

Esaias 07-04-2016 09:45 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante (Post 1438863)
Actually, the moment white people stepped foot on this continent for the first time, colonized its inhabitants, and killed people for the purposes of land grabbing, that's when this country started going down hill.

So why are you still here, then?

shazeep 07-05-2016 06:04 AM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
ya, besmirching his beloved. :lol
i mean c'mon E, really? that's all it takes to put you into defense mode? i don't get how you are so aware of shenanigans on the one hand, and so sensitive to offense on the other.

shazeep 07-05-2016 06:09 AM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by votivesoul (Post 1437822)
The USA, like any other nation, collectively and individually, will all likewise perish, except she repents.

not to be niggling, but the USA is not a nation, it is a country that contains many nations, right? The point being that your nation may repent while the rest go a different way, and your nation might still be healed, etc.

Esaias 07-05-2016 01:21 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1438896)
ya, besmirching his beloved. :lol
i mean c'mon E, really? that's all it takes to put you into defense mode? i don't get how you are so aware of shenanigans on the one hand, and so sensitive to offense on the other.

IF a person thinks that America began it's downfall 'when the white man came over and' blah blah blah, then asking why they are still in America (assuming they are in fact in America) is a legitimate question.

When did Nazi Germany begin it's downfall? As soon as Nazi Germany came into existence? So why then would someone remain in Nazi Germany while entertaining such ideas about their country? The smart thing would be to flee the evil shadows of Mordor...

But then again nobody accused leftards of being smart.

shazeep 07-05-2016 04:47 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
yes, your advice may be prescient. interesting that the fees for expatriation have recently skyrocketed.

FlamingZword 07-06-2016 08:04 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante (Post 1438863)
Actually, the moment white people stepped foot on this continent for the first time, colonized its inhabitants, and killed people for the purposes of land grabbing, that's when this country started going down hill.

Do your part to fix that, start packing and leave America. :D

shazeep 07-06-2016 08:10 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
why, when he is assured that their get will not inherit, but he will?

Evang.Benincasa 07-09-2016 12:58 PM

Re: America going downhill since 1973
 
Now this is REAL Downhill!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKkV...hannel=RedBull


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