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"God gave them over to a reprobate mind..."

A [sic] Christian Pastor wrote a column that exemplifies the downward
spiral of the Christian faith and belief in the doctrines of the one true God.
He wrote that he believed in God, but that he approved of the Supreme
Court’s finding on gay marriage. He stated that there is an argument to be
made in support of the Court's ruling to uphold gay marriage and its “equal
rights” provision for all persons.That logic is taking us BACK to the Garden
of Eden, when Eve offered Adam to eat "...of the tree of knowledge of good
and evil...". In eating of the forbidden tree's fruit, Adam and Eve were in fact
embracing and mixing the good with the bad, and the hot with the cold. The
outcome is, of course, becoming lukewarm in our morality! Well, the sin that
is running rampant among us is witness to the fact that we have ALL eaten
of that same fruit; and the pacifist stance of accepting the secular laws while
seemingly proffering faith in God, is testimony to lack of repentance, or at
the very least, an acceptance to live in the land that is fast becoming as Sodom
and Gomorrah. The blatant lies and deceit coming out of the news media, the
television and movies, and the compromising political environment would be
laying waste to Godly moral beliefs and principals which men of the cloth did
once espouse. Indeed, the scriptures have warned us to beware when men
will call good evil, and evil good. And how is that accomplished? By passing
laws in the legislatures that legalize immorality.

It is truly sad that good men have been muzzled by their own personal sin and
have not been able to repent due to their guilt, and thereby unable to voice
the TRUTH of the Gospel of Jesus Christ: even the doctrine of His apostles
and prophets. But God is not mocked. As surely as judgment came to Sodom
and Gomorrah, so will it come to the Unite States of America and to the entire
world. They say, "I do not believe in God." But that does not negate God's
righteousness, or His power. And for those who are true Believers: be
strong, be obedient to God's will: for even as the world was condemned by
the righteousness of Noah, so OUR righteousness (even our testimony) will
also justify them that believe and obey. And WE surely will not condemn the
world: but the unbelievers'
rejection of God's righteousness operating in the true Church will condemn
them. "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he that believes
not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the NAME
of the only begotten son of God."

Brothers and Sisters: keep the faith.

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Excellent! There are many areas where personal guilt is silencing the voice of "would be" preachers of righteousness.

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this is what comes of not showing a person love in the first place, not in loving a group of people despite their sin; the difference is subtle, a legal one. And so a spiritual sin manifests in a law. And not the sin of the sinner. hmm.

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It's content and context . . . and not content alone!

I wrote: "WE surely will not condemn the world: but the unbelievers'
rejection of God's righteousness operating in the true Church will
condemn them(selves)."

Some people DO NOT truly believe in God. They believe (by their
own testimonies) that God erred in choosing Jesus as the ultimate
sacrifice, because Jesus erred in choosing the Ministry. How? By
insisting in the words of Jesus over the words of the apostles!
There is NOT AN IOTA OF CONTRADICTION or DIFFERENCE in the
Lord's and the apostles' doctrine.

If the apostles erred in content/context, then Jesus also erred; and
if the Lord Jesus erred, then the Father erred also. LISTEN UP: if
the Father erred, then He could NOT be God! It's that simple. I am
of the persuasion that the apostles followed ALL the Lord's doctrine
FULLY and WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION, because Jesus followed the
Father's mandate in the same manner: else Jesus could NOT be
"...the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

SHAZEEP: if you would follow the teaching of the Lord THROUGH the
Apostle Paul, you would do well. Now this:

"He who believes in Him is NOT condemned; but he that believes
not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the
NAME of the only begotten son of God."

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2Thessalonians 1:7-10
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

No amount of human denial nor unbelief can alter the terrifying truth that Jesus will return, and as God he will judge both the living and the dead.
The unGodly can scoff all they want, but it only confirms their blindness and their sin.
Let us preach the gospel in the hope that some may believe unto the saving of their souls.

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AMEN

(1) Yes . . . terrifying to them that believe not; but to us that believe,
we will receive HIM as a child does his father;

(2) It's too sad: and that's how we should see their scoffs . . .

(3) Yes, Beloved, the gospel that saves should always be our main and
principal goal. Now this, "Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast,
unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye
know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."

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i would certainly not disagree, but i would suggest that the Apostles' Words that are taken so legally be understood more spiritually, else you lose credibility when Love your neighbor fulfills all the law and prophets is made into some vain attempt to follow the law or attempt salvation by works, to negate the Word of Christ.

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If Christ is negated, how can i not? If you fulfill Paul while ignoring Christ, what have you done?

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:lol
well, that is kind of...scary; let me just suggest that it is Paul that should be reconciled with Christ, and not vice versa.

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Friend you don't realize what you just did.

All the apostles were chosen by the Lord, and TAUGHT by him: even
Paul. Yet you have not only exalted yourself above the eleven, but
have demeaned the Ministry of the Apostle Paul, whom the Lord has
chosen. I don't do this often, but I will this time.

You, sir, are a false prophet.

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You cannot fulfill Paul and not Christ. The epistles are also the Word of God and inspired by the Holy Spirit.
There are no doctrinal conflicts between the gospels and the epistles.
The epistles deal with the details and encouragement for actually living the Spirit-filled life and in walking in the Spirit, and of course bearing the fruit of the Spirit.
Paul does not write another gospel contrary to what Jesus preached.
To love your neighbour, or to visit the widows and orphans in their times of trouble, and to feed your enemy, are all expressions of living the gospel.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, that you love one another...
We love homosexuals and others who are lost by preaching the gospel of salvation to them. Not necessarily condemning them as evil, but rather in sharing our testimonies to the blessings and the hope of our salvation through Jesus and the truth.
The alphabet population are not the only ones who need to hear the word and to know that they can experience the truth of Jesus by receiving the Spirit of Truth with signs following.
The gospels and the book of Acts tell us how to get saved, while the epistles tell us how to stay saved.

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well, if i am a false prophet for suggesting that Paul be reconciled with Christ, then so be it; i am not making any prophecies, so i don't quite get your position here, phnx, sorry. And if i have demeaned Paul, i am not understanding how.

You cannot fulfill Paul and not Christ.
i would say that we have many Scriptures that suggest one can, culminating in ...but if I don't have love... but i also have to agree with you in a sense, as every Pauline verse cast at me to prove a similar argument seemed to actually culminate in Christ in that same passage. It was a few threads ago, but i think we explored at least 3 examples of this, and i don't know if you were reading then? but 'your' side did not do well there, in the former sense, however i am willing to take another whack at that if you feel you have some Scripture to consider.

I would agree that you likely cannot fulfill Christ and not Paul--which strikes me as the more acceptable way to validate Paul, if that is the goal here--but this requires some adjustments to understanding Paul imo, who begs to be taken literally while speaking of spiritual things. I will say that i was frankly as surprised as your elder no doubt was at finding Christ manifest in even the most Pauline passages, somewhere, but i have not tested this for every passage in the epistles.

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Shazeep likes to harass people...you would have thought by now that he would have learned his "much speaking" will never negate the Word of God. His harassment certainly hasn't worked well for him in the past..

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i am harassing someone here?

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as you are not EB i am inclined to take you seriously--no offense meant to EB--but you have already said this without any explanation, and i am not grasping why my statement elicits this response.

You earlier said "Friend you don't realize what you just did," and since you are right, and i do not, maybe explaining what i did will help clarify this, if clarification is in fact a goal here.

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Of course you're prophesying falsely!
To what would you have us believe that Paul needs reconciliation? Are
you so deceived by the god of this world (allah) that you think all you
say is "spiritual"? Well, it is spiritual, but certainly not by the Holy Spirit.

(1) You have spoken many things, but none of those things relate to the three
main doctrines of repentance, remission of sins, or being (spiritually)
endowed with the Holy Spirit. Many denominations have at least a "spirit of
repentance" abiding in them, and it shows in their witness and testimony.
You have shown none, at all.

I have been the most patient with you, desiring to see the bud of a fruit in
you. Instead, we have come to this. There is a smirk in the back of your
mind because "someone" has called you a "prophet'. No: you surely are no
prophet, but a "wannabe" prophet, that instead of truth mixes a small known
truth in order to introduce a LIE! "Take heed that no man deceive you. For
many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

(2) So you will "agree" that one "cannot fulfill Christ and not Paul": and then
you add a caveat ("some adjustments").

I repeat: put yourself under the Ministry of the Apostle Paul, and you
will do well.

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i'm not getting how you find reconciling Paul with Christ to be anti Christ, sorry. And wouldn't a false prophet be prophesying? Or something? Do you have any other complaints than that i suggest following Christ, and reconciling Paul to Him? You have been patient with me? What is that supposed to mean? Paul was a zealot, and the perfect person to write the Epistles, likely so a choice might be provided for all, but he is widely interpreted to say the least. And i would suggest that you must reconcile Paul to Christ nonetheless, or else who is your savior?

The quotes attributed to Christ must take precedence over anything you read from Paul, and your doctrine must be examined for anything not "sufficient for them" on a personal level if you hope to advance spiritually, and there are plenty of clues in Scripture to lead anyone seeking by the Spirit, so if you have some lie or prophecy of mine that hasn't come true? or something, b.a.m. spit it out, otherwise you are not being specific enough, sorry. You cannot quote any lie; maybe you just don't like the truth.

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um, i guess if you want you could try to find some Paul that doesn't culminate in Christ, but Mike tried like 3 times, so...ya, whatever. Is there even a direct quote alluding to this, such as we have for Love? I have been trying to think of one, and i don't think so.

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What you're up against is the distorted reference to "law" in the Word, where it has been twisted to mean scripture. Law is not scripture. Law is efforts to attain salvation by works in the context where law is spoken negatively in the New Testament. Ironically, this is the same spirit that the world is currently wallowing in -- changing the definition of words like "marriage".

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This is the sort of distortion that I referred to in my previous post. To such as what you read in this quote, legalism and law is the Word of God saying what it says. But in the bible, law and legalism is working one's way to heaven.

Once words have lost their proper place in context of scripture, you get all sorts of error, like women's salvation by works through birthing children. And when pinned to explain it, the word is cast aside as something that is either a tool by God to confuse people, or something that cannot be explained, and one is allegedly proud if they think they can explain it. In effect, the word of God becomes moot.

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Here is how your statement is antichrist: Christ spoke through Paul and every other writer of the bible. So, when you say Christ's recorded words take precedence over Paul's you are implying Christ was not speaking through Paul. It was not PAUL'S writings, but Christ living through Paul and speaking those writings through him.

2 Timothy 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Galatians 2:20 KJV I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

1 Corinthians 14:37 KJV (37) If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 4:5 KJV For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

Your value for the entire volume of God's word is lacking, and when you are corrected and shown to be in error with how you read the Word, you make an opponent of the person correcting your error, and claim such a person is being "legalistic," when "legalism" in the context of what the Word says about it has nothing to do with what you are resisting. Legalism is preaching salvation by works, which you are actually teaching people the way you falsely present the Good Samaritan and distorting passages that mention salvation by child bearing, and gentiles reflecting God's law (which doesn't save), and how you distort the words about those who do righteous are righteous. You are far from the type of person qualified to determine how to correctly correlate Paul's words with Christ, seeing as you speak of them as distinctly different, when they are one and the same words of Christ to begin with. You think legalistically, and distort the meaning of legalism to precisely the opposite of it's reference in scripture.

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:yourock

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oh, that is my personal take, and i said as much; if you have some Paul to offer, by all means be my guest.

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Ah, but you mean Paul's words are inferior's to Christs when you say that, when in actuality Christ was writing through Paul. There be your extreme point of error. All the word of God in the bible is on the same level. Christ speaking through humanity.

You demeaned Paul by saying the words he wrote were inferior to Christ's when in reality Christ wrote them through Paul. And you fail to realize that a prophecy is not just predictive speaking, It is "inspired speaking," and is related in this reference to your words to your belief that you are correctly representing God's opinion when you state such a false statement that Paul's writings were inferior to Christ's statements.

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Again, this is severe false speaking. Christ's words were written through Paul, making your distinction severely false.

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Your side failed then and shows the same failure here. You demean parts of the word of God as though they are not in essence the word of God, and you fail to see how they're saying the same thing as Christ's statements.

"Tested" this? This again demonstrates your inability to realize Christ wrote through Paul, and Paul's words were actually Christ's. Hence, the antichrist spirit prevalent in this sort of thinking. It's really applicable to call this antichrist, because the context of the spirit of antichrist in 1 John 4 is that it speaks against the fact that Christ came in the flesh, and is manifest through people. His life through people is in many ways, and in every case, denied to actually be Christ who is manifesting. So, when Paul';s words are put on a lower level than Christ's, and the implication is that there is a distinction between Paul speaking and Christ speaking, because it is Christ in both cases that distinction is antichrist.

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you are implying Christ was not speaking through Paul.

i imply no such thing, and have just recently directly stated the opposite. your post just goes further out on some limb from there, and i am not interested in being belittled by you. if you have a case, then state it, because i can go and dig up your previous attempts if you like, and let the reader decide.

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Paul did not write from himself. Christ wrote through him. So, do you still see his words and those of Christ as distinct?

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No, you said Paul's words must be made to correspond to Christ's and not vice verse, which is not possible if they are both Christ's words.

Being belittled by me? i am not making it about you, but about your BELIEF. I did not say YOU were antichrist. I said your beliefs are antichrist. You are the person who belittles persons, as you insulted me beyond belief here many times. I have not demeaned you as a person. And if you carefully look at my interaction with you you will notice it is your beliefs that I targeted.

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Yes you did say such a thing, when you said we cannot correspond Christ's words to Paul's, but Paul's to Christ's, saying Christ's words are superior to Paul's. I will post it again next.

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"Tested" this? This again demonstrates your inability to realize Christ wrote through Paul, and Paul's words were actually Christ's.

exactly, as shown by Pauline passages that culminate in "Love" despite your attempts to make them about doctrine. 'Member? So i'm not sure what you mean by my inability to realize Christ there. Sorry, but you are not making any sense.

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That statement is as antichrist as they get. It implies Christ did not write through Paul, removing the equal value Paul's words have in status with Christ's.

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please do, and i will clarify, because i did not mean what you are saying, there in part 1. Christ's Word blows Paul up tho, ya. Every day, and twice on Saturday.

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Paul's words do culminate in love. Doctrine is being twisted by yourself here as well. You have an aversion to written word. You feel written word is subservient to love, when in fact they are synonymous, because Christ is the word and Christ is love and the word is doctrine. This disparity you imagine is fully antichrist.

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I already did in post #34.

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you wish.

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you gotta be kidding me if post 34 is all you got.

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that's it? Jesus is God, but Paul = Jesus, and don't ask any questions? Really? You wanna maybe take the evening and check your facts here? Because i am not interested in winning some silly argument by sophistry. Take your time.