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deacon blues 07-24-2016 05:19 PM

DNC National Convention
 
Wow the convention hasn't even started and it's total chaos! Seems these Dems can't keep emails confidential. Whether it's national security or internal Democrat Party communiques, these people keep exposing themselves to controversy. How can America trust these people to lead our country?

deacon blues 07-24-2016 05:20 PM

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Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is stepping down as the DNC chair. Donna Brazile will be interim chair at the end of the convention.

Jermyn Davidson 07-24-2016 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1441483)
Wow the convention hasn't even started and it's total chaos! Seems these Dems can't keep emails confidential. Whether it's national security or internal Democrat Party communiques, these people keep exposing themselves to controversy. How can America trust these people to lead our country?

Really? You don't think this is an over-blown response? :)

Do you REALLY TRUST trump to lead the country?

PUH-LEEZE!

:spit

Jermyn Davidson 07-24-2016 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1441484)
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is stepping down as the DNC chair. Donna Brazile will be interim chair at the end of the convention.

DWS has been on the way out for a while now, with her public image in decline for at least a year or two (so it seems). She has been involved / exposed in other corrupt situations before this-- just like HRC! :)

Barb 07-24-2016 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1441503)
DWS has been on the way out for a while now, with her public image in decline for at least a year or two (so it seems). She has been involved / exposed in other corrupt situations before this-- just like HRC! :)

And I don't trust Donna Brazile...never have.

Jermyn Davidson 07-24-2016 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barb (Post 1441510)
And I don't trust Donna Brazile...never have.

She reminds me of a cross between the stereotypical "Mammy" of America's ugly past and the Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland.

n david 07-25-2016 12:31 AM

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Hilarious. DWS is forced to resign over corruption, but Hillary bails her out with an honorary position on her campaign!

Aquila 07-25-2016 09:31 AM

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It's a set-up by the Russians to shake-up Hillary's campaign. For some reason, Putin is a big supporter of Trump gaining the White House. Most likely it is because Trump has already voiced hostility towards the current arrangement of the NATO Alliance. Something Russians have had hostility towards for decades because it is the primary barrier to Russian hegemony in the region.

http://www.defenseone.com/technology...sident/130163/

StillStanding 07-25-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1441512)
Hilarious. DWS is forced to resign over corruption, but Hillary bails her out with an honorary position on her campaign!

DWS' new resume as a dishonest crook, suddenly qualified her for a nice position in Hillary's campaign! :nod

n david 07-25-2016 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by StillStanding (Post 1441571)
DWS' new resume as a dishonest crook, suddenly qualified her for a nice position in Hillary's campaign! :nod

This campaign is something else...

POTUS Nominee HRC: Emailgate; should have been indicted by FBI
VP Nominee Tim Kaine: Benefitsgate; could have been indicted
Campaign Chair DWS: Emailgate; unsure legal ramifications, but ethically tainted

Trump should easily beat this, the worst Dem ticket in decades.

Esaias 07-25-2016 04:55 PM

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I just watched a clip from the DNC, Bernie sputtering about how Trump must be stopped because his campaign is all about promoting bigotry and racism blah blah blah, Trump is dangerous and must be stopped, and everyone needs to support Hillary (at which point he was booed rather loudly by the people).

He also talked about how "our revolution" needs to spread (???).

The DNC might as well fly the hammer and sickle. Looking at attendees (delegates) dressed in Peter Pan outfits, etc etc, I honestly cannot understand how ANYBODY with more than half a functioning brain cell could possibly support the Democratic party.

I mean, seriously, anyone who supports the Dem party... words fail me. (Well, not really, but I'll be nice.)

Dems are just dumb.

deacon blues 07-25-2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1441610)
I just watched a clip from the DNC, Bernie sputtering about how Trump must be stopped because his campaign is all about promoting bigotry and racism blah blah blah, Trump is dangerous and must be stopped, and everyone needs to support Hillary (at which point he was booed rather loudly by the people).

He also talked about how "our revolution" needs to spread (???).

The DNC might as well fly the hammer and sickle. Looking at attendees (delegates) dressed in Peter Pan outfits, etc etc, I honestly cannot understand how ANYBODY with more than half a functioning brain cell could possibly support the Democratic party.

I mean, seriously, anyone who supports the Dem party... words fail me. (Well, not really, but I'll be nice.)

Dems are just dumb.

They attract every dreg of society. It's perplexing that people feel like the Dems have a vision of America that reflects the vision of the Founders.

FlamingZword 07-25-2016 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1441528)
It's a set-up by the Russians to shake-up Hillary's campaign. For some reason, Putin is a big supporter of Trump gaining the White House. Most likely it is because Trump has already voiced hostility towards the current arrangement of the NATO Alliance. Something Russians have had hostility towards for decades because it is the primary barrier to Russian hegemony in the region.

http://www.defenseone.com/technology...sident/130163/

NATO is outdated it needs to be replaced.

n david 07-25-2016 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1441646)
NATO is outdated it needs to be replaced.

NATO has held the USSR, Russia and Putin in check. Without it, eastern Europe would be under Putin's control.

Of course, if (God forbid), Trump wins the election, he'll give Putin back the Baltic states and Eastern Bloc.

deacon blues 07-26-2016 02:59 AM

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Michele Obama speaking tonight saying America is the greatest country on earth...ha! Just a few years ago she was talking about being proud of America for the first time in her adult life. So I guess it's only great when THEY are large and in charge.

deacon blues 07-26-2016 03:02 AM

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She also talked about waking up every morning in a house built by slaves. Is it possible to get over the slavery thing? You know, since it ended 150 years ago????

Jito463 07-26-2016 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1441674)
She also talked about waking up every morning in a house built by slaves. Is it possible to get over the slavery thing? You know, since it ended 150 years ago????

They have to wring every last drop of political capitol from it, that they possibly can.

Originalist 07-26-2016 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1441652)
NATO has held the USSR, Russia and Putin in check. Without it, eastern Europe would be under Putin's control.

Of course, if (God forbid), Trump wins the election, he'll give Putin back the Baltic states and Eastern Bloc.


They were not our problem in 1917, 1941 or now. If Europe cannot handle their own security, why should we care? Europeans are authoritarian by nature. They will be ruled by Muslims or Russians. The resurrected Russian Empire is not the USSR. It is not the USA, either. It is something in between. But it will be the dominant power in Europe and is not going to sit by and let Europe commit suicide through Muslim immigration. None of this is worth shedding one drop of American blood over.

Aquila 07-26-2016 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1441689)
They were not our problem in 1917, 1941 or now. If Europe cannot handle their own security, why should we care?

We have treaties to honor. It is an alliance. An alliance that has held the likes of Russia at bay for a generation. Could NATO stand to have some improvements? Yes. No doubt. But to just back out of an alliance with the peaceful democracies of Europe while Russia is sniffing around their door at night like a hungry bear would be absolutely foolish.

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Europeans are authoritarian by nature. They will be ruled by Muslims or Russians.
Europe has it's social challenges with the Muslim refugees. It will take time and they will work it out. I assure you, Europe will not be ruled by Russia.

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The resurrected Russian Empire is not the USSR. It is not the USA, either. It is something in between. But it will be the dominant power in Europe and is not going to sit by and let Europe commit suicide through Muslim immigration. None of this is worth shedding one drop of American blood over.
Russia will only become the dominant power in Europe if we allow it by weakening our alliance. We must have solid economic, military, and political alliances throughout Europe. Together we can keep Russia in check. If we don't.... there will be war for certain. Today's Putin is tomorrow's Hitler. Let's keep that SOB in check.

All of this is common sense. Let's not dumb ourselves down to justify Trump's stupidity.

Originalist 07-26-2016 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1441696)
We have treaties to honor. It is an alliance. An alliance that has held the likes of Russia at bay for a generation. Could NATO stand to have some improvements? Yes. No doubt. But to just back out of an alliance with the peaceful democracies of Europe while Russia is sniffing around their door at night like a hungry bear would be absolutely foolish.



Europe has it's social challenges with the Muslim refugees. It will take time and they will work it out. I assure you, Europe will not be ruled by Russia.



Russia will only become the dominant power in Europe if we allow it by weakening our alliance. We must have solid economic, military, and political alliances throughout Europe. Together we can keep Russia in check. If we don't.... there will be war for certain. Today's Putin is tomorrow's Hitler. Let's keep that SOB in check.

All of this is common sense. Let's not dumb ourselves down to justify Trump's stupidity.


Our alliances in Europe helped to create both Hitler and Stalin. And we were not keeping "Russia" in check, we were keeping the USSR in check. Do you know who was keeping "Russia" in check? The USSR was, that's who. The USSR was designed to especially keep Russian nationalism in check. The Bolshevik Revolution was a war against ethnic Russians. Imperial Germany had liberated many of the provinces of the Russian Empire during WW1 only to have the USA intervene and make sure the fledgling USSR gain control over them after they drove out the Czar. Then we dissected Germany, unjustly and gave rise to Hitler. During WW2 we made sure the communists gained control of half of Europe. A strong nationalist Russia is now a good check on a communist EU that America is allied with.

Our alliances with Europe are not good for our country. I for one will heed the words of our Founders concerning not meddling in European affairs. History has proven them right, but we keep deluding ourselves into believing our involvement is a good thing.

n david 07-26-2016 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1441689)
They were not our problem in 1917, 1941 or now. If Europe cannot handle their own security, why should we care? Europeans are authoritarian by nature. They will be ruled by Muslims or Russians. The resurrected Russian Empire is not the USSR. It is not the USA, either. It is something in between. But it will be the dominant power in Europe and is not going to sit by and let Europe commit suicide through Muslim immigration. None of this is worth shedding one drop of American blood over.

Incredibly naive.

Glad you Trumpsters weren't around during WWII. We'd all be speaking German.

Aquila 07-26-2016 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1441674)
She also talked about waking up every morning in a house built by slaves. Is it possible to get over the slavery thing? You know, since it ended 150 years ago????

I've thought the same thing. But then again, my family were not slaves. I haven't heard the stories retold by my grandmother at the dinner table that so many people of color have. Nor have I experienced the institutional racism that so many of them have.

I've experienced more discrimination over being a male than being white. For example, I sometimes call and try to resolve issues with the bills and creditors. They tell me what they can or cannot do for us and normally, they don't budge. However, Christina will get upset that I wasn't able to work out a payment plan or arrangement and call them herself. I've listened in on the conversations, they are nicer to her and bend over backwards to help her. One day in Wal-Mart I couldn't find a specific item and asked for assistance, they seemed uninterested in helping me. Gave it a quick glance and apologized for not being more help and walked away. I tracked down Christina and she became so frustrated that I couldn't find help. So, she asked this associate if they could help us find the item. The associate went out of their way for like 15 minutes looking for the item, even pulled in some help from two other associates. Eventually, they found it! LOL When you have long blonde hair, and are "easy on the eyes", you don't face the same challenges as when you're big and hairy like me. lol

There are now certain things she takes care of because she's female and we know how it will go if I call. I had her listen in on a few calls relating to bills and expenses on several different occasions and she was shocked with how "cold" they were to me and how unwilling to work with me. She waited an hour and called back. She was amazed with how friendly, warm, charming, and flexible they were for her. I tried to explain to her.... "try being a man stranded by the roadside". Few will even consider stopping to help you. However, if you're blonde and easy on the eyes like my girl.... you'll have a dozen "Good Samaritans" pulling over to "help" you. I told her that she's spoiled because of this. That's why she's so optimistic and I'm more pessimistic. She's used to things working out and people working with her. I'm used to being brushed off and left to fend for myself.

I look at racism much the same way. Until we actually focus on seeing it, we might not even realize how real the discrimination can be. If you sound black over the phone, will your utilities or creditors be as flexible? Will you be pulled over more? Will you stand to face certain dangers more? I believe it is quite real. We shouldn't disparage the reality of their experience.

Slavery was a genocide. It left several generations in deep poverty from which they are only starting to crawl out of. I try to be compassionate and understanding. They have a different cultural perspective because culturally the world is quite different for them than it is for us. Do some use it as an excuse? Yes. But it doesn't mean it isn't real.

Pressing-On 07-26-2016 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1441701)
I've thought the same thing. But then again, my family were not slaves. I haven't heard the stories retold by my grandmother at the dinner table that so many people of color have. Nor have I experienced the institutional racism that so many of them have.

I've experienced more discrimination over being a male than being white. For example, I sometimes call and try to resolve issues with the bills and creditors. They tell me what they can or cannot do for us and normally, they don't budge. However, Christina will get upset that I wasn't able to work out a payment plan or arrangement and call them herself. I've listened in on the conversations, they are nicer to her and bend over backwards to help her. One day in Wal-Mart I couldn't find a specific item and asked for assistance, they seemed uninterested in helping me. Gave it a quick glance and apologized for not being more help and walked away. I tracked down Christina and she became so frustrated that I couldn't find help. So, she asked this associate if they could help us find the item. The associate went out of their way for like 15 minutes looking for the item, even pulled in some help from two other associates. Eventually, they found it! LOL When you have long blonde hair, and are "easy on the eyes", you don't face the same challenges as when you're big and hairy like me. lol

There are now certain things she takes care of because she's female and we know how it will go if I call. I had her listen in on a few calls relating to bills and expenses on several different occasions and she was shocked with how "cold" they were to me and how unwilling to work with me. She waited an hour and called back. She was amazed with how friendly, warm, charming, and flexible they were for her. I tried to explain to her.... "try being a man stranded by the roadside". Few will even consider stopping to help you. However, if you're blonde and easy on the eyes like my girl.... you'll have a dozen "Good Samaritans" pulling over to "help" you. I told her that she's spoiled because of this. That's why she's so optimistic and I'm more pessimistic. She's used to things working out and people working with her. I'm used to being brushed off and left to fend for myself.

I look at racism much the same way. Until we actually focus on seeing it, we might not even realize how real the discrimination can be. If you sound black over the phone, will your utilities or creditors be as flexible? Will you be pulled over more? Will you stand to face certain dangers more? I believe it is quite real. We shouldn't disparage the reality of their experience.

Slavery was a genocide. It left several generations in deep poverty from which they are only starting to crawl out of. I try to be compassionate and understanding. They have a different cultural perspective because culturally the world is quite different for them than it is for us. Do some use it as an excuse? Yes. But it doesn't mean it isn't real.

Hmmm... My son was at Walmart trying to find out if he could get an online purchase price for a baby bed that was in the store. The associate went out of his way for 15 minutes trying to help him. So, I come to the conclusion - the associate was gay. :heeheehee

BTW, Gary Johnson is having a great time this week during the DNC. I am sure the Bernie people will look his way.

Originalist 07-26-2016 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1441699)
Incredibly naive.

Glad you Trumpsters weren't around during WWII. We'd all be speaking German.

Yours is the typical response of someone uninformed.

n david 07-26-2016 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1441689)
If Europe cannot handle their own security, why should we care?

Fortunately the greatest generation didn't share your thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1441689)
The resurrected Russian Empire is not the USSR. It is not the USA, either. It is something in between.

It is still a murderous regime, bent on enlarging itself and threatening our allies and the USA itself.

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1441689)
But it will be the dominant power in Europe and is not going to sit by and let Europe commit suicide through Muslim immigration.

Russia cares little for anything but power. It doesn't care of Europe's muslim trouble. When Russia decides to take back the old Soviet bloc, it won't be for anything other than power and self interest.

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1441689)
None of this is worth shedding one drop of American blood over.

Again, fortunately the greatest generation didn't share this thought.

deacon blues 07-26-2016 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1441610)
I just watched a clip from the DNC, Bernie sputtering about how Trump must be stopped because his campaign is all about promoting bigotry and racism blah blah blah, Trump is dangerous and must be stopped, and everyone needs to support Hillary (at which point he was booed rather loudly by the people).

He also talked about how "our revolution" needs to spread (???).

The DNC might as well fly the hammer and sickle. Looking at attendees (delegates) dressed in Peter Pan outfits, etc etc, I honestly cannot understand how ANYBODY with more than half a functioning brain cell could possibly support the Democratic party.

I mean, seriously, anyone who supports the Dem party... words fail me. (Well, not really, but I'll be nice.)

Dems are just dumb.

Not dumb so much as it is blind and delusional loyalty

deacon blues 07-26-2016 08:25 PM

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Say what you want---Bill has just about the best stage presence any modern president has ever had. Ronald Reagan was as equally effective but with a different style.

Probably the most corrupt person in modern politics, along with Hillary, but still, a brilliant politician.

deacon blues 07-26-2016 08:26 PM

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He shows some signs of Parkinson's I think.

Esaias 07-26-2016 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1441769)
Say what you want---Bill has just about the best stage presence any modern president has ever had. Ronald Reagan was as equally effective but with a different style.

Probably the most corrupt person in modern politics, along with Hillary, but still, a brilliant politician.

Oh, there's no doubt Bill has (or had) stage presence. Hillary? Not so much. Although she does project "power" which resonates with some people.

I think a Trump/Hillary debate will be worth the popcorn.

Esaias 07-26-2016 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1441770)
He shows some signs of Parkinson's I think.

Hillary has shown some signs of possible epilectic seizures, I hear.

Bill's issues are probably from all the coke.

Originalist 07-27-2016 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1441718)
Fortunately the greatest generation didn't share your thoughts.


It is still a murderous regime, bent on enlarging itself and threatening our allies and the USA itself.


Russia cares little for anything but power. It doesn't care of Europe's muslim trouble. When Russia decides to take back the old Soviet bloc, it won't be for anything other than power and self interest.


Again, fortunately the greatest generation didn't share this thought.


Actually that greatest generation was for locking Japanese-Americans into internment camps.

And no, had we stayed out of WW2 we would not be speaking German. That is a common misconception. Hitler was a crazy but he was not seeking world domination. And the Russian Empire was not any more murderous than any of the other empires we allied ourselves with like Britain.

WW2 was a complete waste of men and resources and was designed to preserve and even spread communism. We were suckered into getting involved in both world wars.

Aquila 07-27-2016 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1441703)
Hmmm... My son was at Walmart trying to find out if he could get an online purchase price for a baby bed that was in the store. The associate went out of his way for 15 minutes trying to help him. So, I come to the conclusion - the associate was gay. :heeheehee

:)

He might have been. Some folks are just extra helpful. However, it's been my experience that people in general are far more willing to help a "damsel in distress" than a dude looking for toothpaste. lol

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BTW, Gary Johnson is having a great time this week during the DNC. I am sure the Bernie people will look his way.
Hey, I'm a Berniecrat! LOL

I think those who are allowing themselves to become disillusioned and vote for Gary Johnson are voting against the revolution they desired to see. In my opinion, this is due to political inexperience. I look at it this way.... Bernie Sanders wanted to push forward with a progressive political revolution at full speed.... while Hillary Clinton is moving the same direction, only at a law abiding 55 mph. lol

Aquila 07-27-2016 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1441714)
Yours is the typical response of someone uninformed.

Isolationism only help men like Hitler increase their power and influence until they have to be confronted.

Aquila 07-27-2016 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1441718)
Fortunately the greatest generation didn't share your thoughts.


It is still a murderous regime, bent on enlarging itself and threatening our allies and the USA itself.


Russia cares little for anything but power. It doesn't care of Europe's muslim trouble. When Russia decides to take back the old Soviet bloc, it won't be for anything other than power and self interest.


Again, fortunately the greatest generation didn't share this thought.

:thumbsup

Aquila 07-27-2016 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1441769)
Say what you want---Bill has just about the best stage presence any modern president has ever had. Ronald Reagan was as equally effective but with a different style.

Probably the most corrupt person in modern politics, along with Hillary, but still, a brilliant politician.

Every politician is corrupt to some degree.... except one. Bernie Sanders. LOL! ;)

Aquila 07-27-2016 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1441774)
Oh, there's no doubt Bill has (or had) stage presence. Hillary? Not so much. Although she does project "power" which resonates with some people.

I think a Trump/Hillary debate will be worth the popcorn.

I agree. I do think Hillary will be far harder on Putin than his "bro-mance" buddy Trump.

Aquila 07-27-2016 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1441775)
Hillary has shown some signs of possible epilectic seizures, I hear.

Bill's issues are probably from all the coke.

You know, theirs was a generation of sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. I wouldn't be surprised.

Originalist 07-27-2016 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1441792)
Isolationism only help men like Hitler increase their power and influence until they have to be confronted.

Staying out of unnecessary wars is not "isolationism". It's good sense. You are probably basing your statement on some of the mythology surrounding that era. I used to do that, as well.

Aquila 07-27-2016 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1441787)
Actually that greatest generation was for locking Japanese-Americans into internment camps.

Not everything they did was right.

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And no, had we stayed out of WW2 we would not be speaking German. That is a common misconception. Hitler was a crazy but he was not seeking world domination. And the Russian Empire was not any more murderous than any of the other empires we allied ourselves with like Britain.
I believe the Soviet Union, from Lenin to Stalin, killed over 20 million people.

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WW2 was a complete waste of men and resources and was designed to preserve and even spread communism. We were suckered into getting involved in both world wars.
Tell that to those who remember the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

I'm starting to realize that those who want to justify Trump's foreign policy vision don't remember their history.

Originalist 07-27-2016 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1441792)
Isolationism only help men like Hitler increase their power and influence until they have to be confronted.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srwk5WwroXY


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