You not preaching holiness till you've named it!
 

HOLINESS

Nothing greaves me more, than a man who is known among us, who has da ear of the people, and considered to be a preacher's preacher, that has influence, that will not preach his convictions. You can say, 'righteousness' 'holiness' and 'separation' from da world' in your message but in today's relative world it could mean something totally different to a crowd of a couple or several hundred or thousands. I don't mean naming the 5 things that we are all against, but things that have crept in among us unawares. There is a need to make plain what you are preaching. There is a need to say it in a way that nobody misunderstands what you are saying. I want to hear what you are for, young man, but please tell us, what are you against!?! Wowii

There is a need for the restoration of the open pulpit. A pulpit that isn't fettered to a man that has a red hot heart to preach what the Holy Ghost lays on his spirit. Why ask a man to preach for you, if he can't preach da burden of his heart?. When a man is prayed up, prayed through, with a heart full of love for da souls of men. A love for righteousness. A love for holiness. A heart tender to the conviction of the Holy Ghost. Let him preach, let that man name it.

We use the scripture in teaching on prayer, saying "" Matthew 21:21, say unto this mountain, be thou removed.."" Name the mountain to God in prayer. Why not name sin? why not name compromise? why not name those things that "so easily beset us. Hebrews 12:1"" ? The verse that says ""let it not be once named among you"" let me ask, if the sin had not been known then how is the church supposed to be aware? of what or who to run from? I'm not contradicting the apostle, but trying to show, that sin was known, because a man of God named it. Sure it was shameful but the church still had hope as long as the preacher had liberty to make it plain.
""1 Corinthians 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?""
""Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand""

Our young men are savvy on the latest trends and fads, words that slip past us old Kahuna's, please help da church, not just by encouraging the down and out, not just by preaching about revival, and building faith for miracles, but brother, help loose those that are bound, by naming those things that are destroying from within. Preach against the queer looking purple pinstripe suits, the height water pants, the pink shirts, the pee wee Herman happy pattern bow ties. Those things that give our boys a feminine appearance.

Preach against the split skirts, the patterns in the hose, the gold in the hair the gold on the clothes. Ask those ladies to take off that shiny stuff from their garments and tie them on a rope and hang around their neck. They wouldn't do it because that would be jewelry. Well I want to ask you young lady, Then why wear it on your clothes? Wear something that's not embarrassing to your pastor, to your father, or that your fellow brother sitting on the pew wouldn't have to turn his head when looking at you from across the room because your skirt is too short and tight while sitting. Where in the world did all these Cesar headbands come from? They came from the pit of hell hatched out of Rome. Fix the church while you were there, preach that queer from behind the piano off the platform, and straighten that place out and have revival! We are not Romans and we are not Greeks we belong to the heavenly Jerusalem. Come on young man, tell us, say it, name it.
"" Isaiah 53:8, Who Shall Declare His Generation? ""

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If there was a like button, I would click. I agree, and I know that is what I heard in the days when I first began to seek Jesus.

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So is this another thread like one of the last where you are starting it to regret it later?

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Holiness = clothing and appearance? Brother, holiness is so much more than that. As long as we maintain such a low view of holiness, we will keep getting what we've been getting. The outside will look right if the inside is right. But just because the outside looks right, don't mean the inside is right.

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Modern day phariseeism?

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The High priest the most holy person was loaded with Jewelry, if jewelry was a sin, he was the most sinful man in Israel and in the Temple.

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Rev. 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

According to scripture, what does "a bride adorned for her husband" mean?

Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and AS A BRIDE ADRONETH HERSELF WITH JEWELS.

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God Said "But every woman shall borrow of her neighbour, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: and ye shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters".

So God would command his people to load up with sinful things?

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In Ezekiel 16 we see God using the picture of jewelry on a bride to indicate the trappings of the Tabernacle like bridal adornment for Jerusalem. Why would God use a sinful thing to illustrate a spiritual goodness?

If jewelry was wrong, that would be like using homosexuality to illustrate His love for us.

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Great Comment :yourock

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The context was not the lack of inward preaching, but rather the lack of the outward. Son we are leaning on you to take the baton and hold on to the old pads and run with patients, and fight the good fight.

The fact remains, you can't be wrong on the outside and be right on the inside. Either.

All these other dummies, please ignore the gainsayers. They have exposed themselves as was the intention. And all those that listen to them will follow the blind leading right into the pit.

2nd Peter 2:12-
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children.Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them thanthe beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

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Brother, I understand what you are saying. BUT - always a but - not trying to be a butt, but... - 'holiness' is something we as a movement have grossly misunderstood. We have to get the foundation right. Otherwise, we'll wind up miles off course, even though the ship will still be sailing, yet it'll be sailing to the wrong destination.

Standards of modesty and behaviour are not the be all end all of holiness. I think if we raise the standard to a Biblical level, to heart purity, entire sanctification (Psalm 26, for ex.), then the rest will fall into place. Too many have been given the false comfort that 'if I dress right, don't do this or that, and look the part, then I have holiness.' Too many have been given the false idea that 'preaching holiness means blasting jewelry and makeup and Hollyweird and public swimming pools.'

When was the last time you heard a message on Acts 15:9? That's a great text for a good old fashioned Pentecostal message, wouldn't you agree? I have never heard that verse preached, anywhere, by anyone.

We have to begin at the beginning, we have to lay the foundation first. My wife got the Holy Ghost and without any input from anyone she cleaned out her closet that night. I wasn't even living all that right (allowing certain things, I was dumb and uneducated, undiscipled in other words) but the HOLY Ghost taught her on day one certain things.

And years later she walked into an apostolic church, a 'conservative' one mind you, and was stunned and embarassed at how people were dressed, she said they look like they are going to a Pentecostal night club or something. But everything was 'within standards', mind you. Men and women looking like they are going to meet some high-dollar business man instead of the Holy God of all creation. Dressed for success?

But it will do no good whatsoever to blast away at external excesses unless and until the internal, heart impurities of pride and selfishness are blasted away. Jesus said FIRST make the inside clean...

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It was the custom for brides and bridegrooms to be decked and adorned with jewelry as part of the marriage celebration. God uses this as an analogy for spiritual adornments - the garments of salvation, the robe of righteousness. He did not use that as an endorsement of wearing jewelry all the time like you are on your wedding day.

Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
(1 Peter 3:1-5 KJV)

It doesn't make good sense to take a bald, clear, unambiguous command given by an apostle and use a metaphor from the OT to overthrow and reverse the plain meaning of the apostle. Godly women are not to be adorned with plaiting of the hair, wearing of gold, or putting on of apparel. These things (not an exhaustive list, by the way) are not to be her ADORNMENT (key word). In other words, what a godly women decorates herself with.

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Don't forget..


1Timmothy 2:9,10
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Here both apostles Peter and Paul agree. Shall we then take the Scriptures you offer and wrestle them in favor of the opposite? No, this would be foolish.

Peter learned directly from the master himself. Is there any other qualifier of his understanding of the Gospel and what God expects from his people?!?!

The apostle Paul learned the law at the feet of Gamaliel, (Acts 5:34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law,) and the Gospel by direct revelation from Jesus himself, confirmed an Apostle by the rest.

Pauls words give a clear testimony against those that teach otherwise..because his entire message was The Gospel.

2Corinthians 4:2-4
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

It's speaking of a woman's focus, not just using those things.

Why would a sinful thing be allowed on a wedding day and no other time?

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For every 1 preacher of righeousness there are 100s tearing down the fabric that hold the church on the road called Holiness. I understand quite a full understanding of Gods Holiness and our weak attempt at separation from the word but if we could only get mo of God. Half the battle would be solved.

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Nobody said any of those things were sinful. The THINGS aren't sinful. It's the USE of those things. A woman is not to ADORN herself with those things, they are not to be her adornment.

But let's look closer at what Isaiah said:

And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
(Isaiah 61:5 KJV)

So, it's the Christian thing to do to have a bunch of illegals doing their yard work now, because after all, God used this as a symbol of Israel's restoration?

Let's look at Ezekiel:

I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.
(Ezekiel 16:10-13 KJV)

So, perfectly okay for a Christian woman to go around in badgers' skin, silk, bracelets on her hands (both hands), necklace, a forehead jewel, earrings, and a crown, decked with gold and silver, embroidered linen and silk dresses, etc? All at once (such is the description given by the prophet)? Or would you be feeling a sermon on modesty coming on?

Point is, old testament metaphors and symbols do not replace clear unambiguous statements by an apostle.

Here's one from the OT:

For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee. And the children of Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments by the mount Horeb.
(Exodus 33:5-6 KJV)

It's these things being a focus. One can wear these things to moderation and focus on the Adornment God desires. That's the only way it makes sense in light of Ezekiel 16.

A Bride ''adorns" herself with jewels. That would make a contradiction if Peter meant merely wearing them.

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You must be talking about the crown and the breastplate the priests wore while ministering in the tabernacle. I hardly see this as a way to vindicate jewelry worn by people today, which is for no other purpose than ornamentation (with the exception of a wristwatch or wedding ring). The priests wore the breastplate with the twelve stones to represent the twelve tribes as he ministered in the tabernacle. He Wore those jewels next to his heart as he ministered. there is a lot that could be said about the priests garments, but I think it has nothing to do with proving new testament attire.

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Probably not much different than from today. Do not modern brides dress in a elaborate white gown with fixed up hair and there is a ring given. All that is adornment. I think mentioning how people dress in ceremony for a special wedding day is not how people would or should ordinarily dress.

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Those treasures were supposed to be for the tabernacle. Much of it became a golden calf and that doesn't strengthen anyone's case for wearing jewelry. Adorning in jewels is vain and does nothing, but bring extra attention to the flesh. If a person really asks themselves the question, "why am I wearing this?" I think it is pretty clear as to whether we should wear jewelry or not. I personally don't make it a heaven or hell issue, but I too like Paul express how we should adorn ourselves. We should not draw attention to the outside only to cause others to covet or esteem us, but we should let the inward man be revealed which brings glory to God.

I think the Old Testament references to God adorning Israel in Jewels where merely pointing out the blessings of God in their prosperity. If God blessed Israel with the wealth and abilities to possess jewels it is God who should receive the credit for his blessing, but does not prove that was still Gods' perfect will. Instead, it was only the normalcy of the nations of the world much like today. Thanks be to God that we are not like the nations of the world.

By God's command for the people Israel to remove their jewels IMO it could be implied that God was not pleased with it. Those jewels seem to have been a symbol of Israel's pride in the eyes of God.Personally I do not want to emulate the nation of Israel we must note that they are backslid from God. We are a chosen nation and a pecular people who should bring praises to God. I don't make this out to be a heaven or hell issue, but I am not sure that it is not. Why do Christians insist on the wearing of jewelry?

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Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
(1 Peter 3:1-5 KJV)

I think that is a liberal way of interpreting this passage. I understand your point and it is a valid point, but still is a liberal interpretation. Paul literally said to not let your outward adorning be a certain way, but yet people read this deeper meaning than what the text actually says. I am not saying you are wrong, but wouldn't you want to error on the safe side. My question again is why do people want to wear jewelry.

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I don't think it is fair to put the underlined comment in the same category as preaching on outward holiness. Was that not to with Judaizers trying to put unnecessary laws upon the Gentile converts? As has already been posted, Paul tells us how to not be outwardly adorned. I understand for many Pentecostals, outward holiness has been a place we hung our hats. Many have run the subject into the ground and have over emphasized outward holiness and neglected inward holiness, but do we throw the baby out with the bath water though and stop preaching outward holiness?

I get sick of hearing people saying that God judges my heart, and all the while portraying all ungodliness outwardly. The most important emphasis should be placed upon inward holiness, but the visible outward work should also be taught as a continuing evidence. Outward holiness should be taught, but not to leave the other undone.

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It's not the wearing of it. One can wear it and it not be considered their adornment in their hearts. They just wear it as much as we comb our hair. We don't want messy hair do we? And it's not sin to comb our hair? If jewelry is nothing more to one's heart than that, then there is no problem. It's when it becomes what our focus is on what adorns us that makes it wrong.

If we have, as though we have not, then there is no error. If we can take it or leave it, it's innocent.

In other words, if one is asked what adorns them, and they think of the gold and silver, and go overboard with it, not in moderation, they are wrong. If one is moderate with them, and is asked what adorns them, and they think spiritually and say my meek heart and quiet spirit that God sees, that is the desired intention behind those words.

If adornment in itself is simply wearing it, and that makes it wrong, then the ADORNMENT of a bride that Esaias mentioned was innocent for a wedding would not be innocent for a wedding. Again God's word does not contradict. he would not use something sinful to illustrate a holy point as a holy point is being illustrated in EZEKIEL 16 ABOUT God and his bride.

We read New Jerusalem in Rev 21 dressed as a bride adorned, and we find the city is filled with gold and jewels.

So the only way to balance the overall picture out is to realize there is nothing wrong with jewelry unless it is to the excess of being our focus and what comes to our minds when we think of what adorns us, instead of the things of the heart.

There's too much to keep that interpretation intact. There's the ring for the prodigal son. there's the earrings and bracelets for Rebekah.

God would not use those pictures. Esaias asked about their use. Well, what else are they used for then wearing them? Just keeping them in a drawer after wedding?

To me, it's like combing the hair. I think people got in the flesh about it and made a mountain out of a mole hill. And I acknowledge some people take it WAY TOO FAR, but we must be careful with anything. Treat it all with carefulness. Have as though having not. Nothing wrong with being wealthy, but if wealth becomes our universe, we can't have it at that point.

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This Biblical text actually goes against your arguments, it was because God was displeased with them that the commanded them to remove their jewelry, not before when God was please with them.

Removing the jewelry was a form of punishment.

But it was when God was please with them that he commanded them to wear jewelry.

Your legalism is the same legalism that the pharisees engaged in, and Jesus was not pleased with the super holiness of the Pharisees.

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Sort of like beards.

;)

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Why would you want to wear jewelry? I am a man and it isn't usually as big an issue with men. Although, when I was a teen I backslid. I can still remember getting a tattoo and my ears pierced. I remember the Spirit I felt when I did it. It grieves my heart that I did, but I know that their is a spiritual matter in all this that goes deeper. You can say it is about moderation, but I was not pierced all over my body, but it was only my ears. Was I wrong. I knew I was. How do you feel about men wearing ear rings?

BTW, God gave Moses laws concerning divorce and how do you think God feels about divorce. The ornaments of Ezekiel 16 tell us of the posterity given by God to Israel. Did God literally come down from heaven and put a bracelet on any of their hands, or is it God who blessed them with the ability to possess such things? Abraham was polygamous and accepted by God and his faith even counted him for righteousness. Was polygamy acceptable to God. I am not saying anyone's going to hell for jewelry, but we must be careful what we stamp God's approval on.

I still interpret 1 Peter 3:1-5 literally.

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I don't wear it either. It's not men but women.

I think it's effeminate. But they did it in the bible days.
Jesus explained that.

I already addressed that. God used the picture of jewelry as an illustration of his spiritual gifts to Jerusalem. And he would not use a sinful illustration to illustrate a godly thing. I've considered all the variables, bro. It doesn't jive.

God put his approval on jewelry when he used it as an illustration. Like I said, he would not use homosexuality to show his love for us, because it's sinful. So if he used jewelry, then jewelry isn't sinful unless taken to extremes. I take 1 Peter literally, too. It's just a question of what is literal and what is misunderstanding.

Anyway, I've said enough. I know the pressure there is in a fellowship for certain restrictions. And I respect that, and would sacrifice the issue although i think it's innocent for the sake of fellowship. If meat offend my brother...

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I agree that this subject can be made a bigger deal than what it should, but I still read 1 Peter 3 literally. It has nothing to do with pressures of fellowship, but personal convictions based upon the scripture. After I got the Holy Ghost, my ear rings where some of the first things to go and I had no other reason than a desire to please God. I just hope people make their choices while walking in the Spirit and not just trying to keep up with fashion trends.

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What in the world are you talking about? Here's the verse:

And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
(Acts 15:9 KJV)

The context is the gift of the Holy Ghost. According to Peter, the Holy Ghost baptism effects purification of the heart by faith. This is something I have never heard preached by any Pentecostal, let alone apostolic, minister. To forever link holiness with outward appearance is to shortchange folks. God offers heart purity as an effect of receiving the Holy Ghost, it is normative and apostolic and biblical, and yet we want to think in terms of 'holiness=clothing and makeup etc'?


Did you even read my posts here on this subject? I don't wear a wedding ring, a watch, or any cloth necklaces for that matter. But that does not amount to a hill of beans without sanctification of the heart. 'Standards' should not be the definition of 'holiness', they should fall under modesty or basic godliness. We need to raise the bar, we ought to be preaching and experiencing entire sanctification, spirit, soul, and body, the whole nine yards.

imo

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Explain how to obey this:

Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
(1 Peter 3:3-4 KJV)

And this:

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
(1 Timothy 2:9-10 KJV)

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If a person can take it or leave it and it isn't important to them then they probably will leave it. The fact is that people who wear jewelry, it is important to them. The very hint that it could be wrong would be enough if a person could take it or leave it. I have heard countless women say they couldn't leave their house without their makeup. To me that is not taking it or leaving it, but to me that says I must have it.

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Is this an example of modern 'holiness'?

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What about this?

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SANCTIFIED?

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Does this make you think of 'godliness'? Or gaudiness?

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[QUOTE=Esaias;1446276]If you read the whole chapter, the context is about Jews trying to circumise gentiles as part of their salvation. Peter basically said God Filled them with the Holy Ghost the same way he did us.

The only thing that makes us holy is the Spirit of God. The Holy Ghost is the anointing God places upon his people. Holiness is not just something we do, but it is something we are to become. (Of course by the Indwelling of the Holy Ghost.) I have heard this preached my whole life, but We should still continue to teach about outward adorning.


I did read your post. You and I probably view jewelry the same way. I am not disagreeing with how you believe, but only with how you are broad brushing apostolics for teaching about outward holiness.

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No, I think you miss what I am saying about the verse. The verse says the gentiles received the same gift as the original disciples, the gift of the Holy Ghost. This experience 'purified their heart', thus the genuine Holy Ghost baptism is a heart purifying experience. Entire sanctification received in regeneration, 'finished work', one-stop shopping.

THAT is not preached in very many apostolic churches these days.




I am saying that we as a movement has missed something very important. We DO emphasise outward looks as being 'holiness'. If a minister begins preaching on 'holiness' chances are it's going to be about outward looks and certain behaviours, rather than heart purity and entire sanctification. I have heard this for over 20 years, it is rare to find a oneness Pentecostal church that believes in genuine entire sanctification and heart purity as the essence of holiness with outward issues being a matter of modesty and decorum and godliness.

Just look at this forum right here, or even this thread. If the word 'holiness' comes up rings and jewelry and makeup and clothing are the inevitable point of discussion, no matter what the original intent or discussion was about.

I have mentioned this before here, that both the liberal wing and the conservative wing of oneness seem caught up in 'holiness means outward appearances', whether they argue for it or against it or whatnot.

And for those who seem to think 'holiness is a matter of the heart so I can dress like an extra on Saturday Night Fever' they have missed the entire boat and are at the wrong docks.

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