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Very good article:

http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpa...t-93-election/

Of course, Diebold was unavailable for comment...

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:lol ya

"One of the paradoxes—there are so many—of conservative thought over the last decade at least is the unwillingness even to entertain the possibility that America and the West are on a trajectory toward something very bad."

Esaias, you seem to be like half anarchist, half voter? Not to derail your thread, but it seems a pointed enough question to ask if you pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of etc. or believe that Gov is anathema to a believer, or which? Ty

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I don't pledge allegiance to a flag. I'm no anarchist, I'm a Christian theonomist.

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ah, maybe i should have picked a less charged word than Anarchist, i see that this is conflated with Chaos now by...pretty much everyone. So, ok, is this a good definition for "Theonomist?"

"Christian Reconstructionism is also known as Dominionism or Theonomy and is characterized by the desire to bring all areas of life under the lordship of Christ."

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Theonomy is the belief that God's Word is authoritative for all areas of life, personally and corporately, individually and societally. Reconstruction, while based on theonomy, is a bit more politically oriented, emphasizing the "reconstruction" of society along biblical lines using a primarily political approach.

Dominionism seems to be popular among charismatic Word-Faith types, and is NOT as far as I can tell, theonomic. Instead it seems to be a code word for Republican neo-con policy.

Anarchy literally means "no ruler". It is a myth, does not work, and besides all that is opposed to God's Kingdom - which, as a KINGDOM - is a sole monarchical theocratic despotism, to be technical.

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hmm, i think anarchy works great, been doing it for years now. Of course "no ruler" means no earthly ruler, but you have had it conflated with chaos since forever, even though it also does not mean "no rules." Not sure how else one could pursue a Theonomy, actually, or how you are going to avoid politicizing it, like the definition--which was the first one i could find--seems to indicate? But i am convinced this mostly arises due to the demonization of the concept Anarchy. Which btw has never failed, that i am aware of.

Do you have an example of it not working? Because i think we could both agree pretty quick that when all else fails, anarchy is exactly what you are going to do, even if you might prefer to call it something else. Seems to work well for the Amish, Quakers, Mennonites etc.

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anyway, that was an insightful article, even if it is about politics. I'd say watch out that your Theonomy does not become UD, again wondering how it could become anything else sans anarchy. If you listed the attributes of Theonomy and Anarchy together on a page, what would be the difference?

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Do you drive a car? Have a driver license? Legally mandated insurance? Follow traffic laws? Do you stop for the police when they tell you to?

You do not live in anarchy unless you live on a deserted island. You do not understand what the political theory called "anarchy" actually is.

Try actually living AS IF there is no earthly government having any jurisdiction over you. You will be in jail within a week, tops.

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UD? No idea what that means.

Theonomy IS political, the Bible is 75% political, or thereabouts.

Caesar doesn't care where you go when you die, he cares about something more practical. Wonder why the early Christians were persecuted? It wasn't cause they sang "I'll Fly Away"...

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Great response by Shapiro.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8985/w...tterbenshapiro

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Where's the like button? :highfive

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I read both pieces. Shapiro's was essentially one giant ad hominem against the Claremont author himself.

What Shapiro actually seemed to do was validate the complaints in the original article.

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yes, i understand that we have different definitions of anarchy; i'm not paying any attention to the political one, and neither are...well, most Amish, or Mennonites, etc. Political anarchy is an oxymoron, i think; anarchy is not seeking recruits. This does not mean that i don't obey laws, that would be chaos. Of course it is legal to travel without a license or plates, etc, but this necessarily puts one in a position of having to be more legal than other drivers, not less.

I don't think the Amish go that far, and many of them vote, etc too, but trust me, there are millions of anarchists, lots of them right in your area especially. It might interest you to make the comparison to Theonomy, the chief difference seems to be in the area of sovereignty, if i may put it that way.

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um, that's why i am asking you what you perceive the difference to be

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:thumbsup:thumbsup

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About That Flight 93 Piece

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A straw man argument from start to finish. No Christians are "putting their hope" in Trump in this sort of religious context. And who is presuming to know God's will on this matter or if he even has a will about it at all? And the only candidate that is trying to be a monarch is Hillary. Really, the Never Trumpers are the only ones over spiritualizing this election. On the one hand they won't vote for Trump based on supposed "biblical principles". On the other, they condemn as "bowing to the false religion of nationalism" those who feel Trump's policies would best benefit the nation compared to Hillary's. If one does not vote with nationalism in mind, why vote at all? The NeverTrumpers are more confused than a termite in a yoyo. I am convinced these pseudo-spiritual giants would have opposed every major liberty movement that influenced our own Founders to break from the crown. They harp about "God's will" in this election but then call nationalism idolatry.

Even if Trump failed to carry out one thing he promised, he still won't grant amnesty to ten million new Democrats in waiting. If Hillary is elected, there will never be another Republican in the White House.

Right now it is the 22% of Never Trump GOP voters that is keeping Trump from having a huge lead in the Electoral College. But if their anointed Cruz (or any other of the GOP candidates for that matter) had won the nomination, they'd have at least 30% less support among independents than Trump has now. Then, even if all of you Never Trumpers were supporting the GOP candidate, he'd still be several points behind where Trump is now. Oh but that would be fine with you because somehow that would make God happier in your eyes. All foolish , pseudo-spiritual lunacy. But maybe some consolation will come forth from watching all those Apostolic pastors having to cut back because Hillary is taxing the churches. It's going to be fun.

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If Trump loses, he lost it by himself. A little payback for all of his lying and flip-flopping rhetoric, covering for Hillary every SINGLE time important news comes out about her. Trump the con man.

Today, Eric Trump tweets:

Except the boy is a liar, like his father. This isn't in Pensacola, but Texas - hence the Texas flag. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. What a joke.

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Oh, so you assume he flat out lied instead of just making a mistake? What kind of Christian jumps to such conclusions?

Get it through your pseudo-spiritual thick skull, if Hillary wins there will NEVER be another GOP President. That is what is at stake here. Even if Trump failed to follow through on a single promise, he still won't hand the vote to 10 million illegal aliens. Hillary will. That is your choice whether you like it or not. You are part of the 22% of GOP voters that are preventing Trump from having a sizable lead in the Electoral College. Without you is he still even with Hillary. We will remember you, Beck, Erickson and all the other traitors when the reign of terror kicks in.

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Where is God going to go in November?

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God, more than likely, is going sit by and watch as Christians fail to, at the very least, slow down the destruction of their country. I do not buy into the notion ,as some Christians do, that God ordains and installs every ruler that gains ascendancy. I think God already intervened with the adoption of our constitution. Like John Locke, I do not believe that kings have a divine right to rule. Rather, even kings are given the right to rule by the people.

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Slow down the destruction? LOL! Same argument with Mitt Romney.

We wouldn't have to try and slow down anything if we would stop voting for these horrible candidates. Just don't turn out and let the pollsters, candidates and media see where America really stands instead of trying to force a fear mongering Flight 93 on us.

It's really easy - Just Say No...

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Oh, but he does. If the nation prefers sin and stupidity, he will give us stupidly sinful rulers.

Christians in America will not slow down anything by 'voting'. If voting worked it would be illegal.

Be patient. Like multi-generational patient. The numbers of Christian homeschooling families are increasing. Those families all tend to have five or more children. They tend to be highly conservative. Only the Chinese have a comparable demographic. Everyone else is breeding themselves into either stagnation or irrelevence. All the masses of immigrants being flooded into America, once they get here, within a generation get reduced to the standard 1.5 children per household, ie they will die off in several generations. The liberals, atheists, neo-pagans, commitard SJW types are doing the same or worse. In a few generations they won't exist. An increasing demographic of conservative Christians, having lots of children, believing in large families, unplugging their children from government indoctrination centers, ignoring 'mainstream media', are in reality a massive subversive movement, increasing in influence and numbers. Only immigration can hope to stall the eventual effects. And the immigrants succumb to degeneration within one or two generations.

It'll be Christians vs Muslims vs Chinese vs Indians in a few generations. Muslims hemorrhage believers at the same rate they give birth, their numbers are actually stagnant at this point. The Chinese are simply too numerous for below normal reproductive rates to have a felt effect yet (but eventually it will). The Indians, while largely Hindu or Muslim, have an increasing number of Christians amongst them. As do the Chinese.

Demographically, the future is ours. :nod

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Your mistake is in assuming that we owe Trump our vote, simply because he has an 'R' after his name. If we just give our vote away, because of party loyalty, we're nothing more than sheeple. We don't owe him anything, he has to earn our vote. And since he's already said he doesn't need the conservative vote, I guess he's not even going to try.

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Oh for cryin out loud. When did i ever mention party loyalty?
The GOP needs to die. i hope Trump leaves it once elected. You continue to dodge the points i made at your own peril.

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:thumbsup :highfive

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I feel some postmillennialism coming on.

:heeheehee

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:lol how's anarchy lookin now?

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You talked about not having a "GOP president" if Hillary gets in, then mentioned that we need to vote for Trump. I simply took you at your word. I'm a literalist, I take people literally.

You failed to address my other issue, that Trump isn't even trying to attract conservatives. He doesn't care about our vote, so why should we vote for him?

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:lol allegiance pledgers
http://i.imgur.com/Hr6hHog.jpg