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Any one have any ideas why a mother requires 80 days of purification for a maid child vs 40 days purification for a man child?

The concern itself had to do with fluids leaving her body that she sustained during pregnancy.

But I think the difference in sexes involves the issue of Eve being tempted and not Adam as the new testament brings out regarding teaching. That seems to pop up in issues like this.

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A woman at the end of her purification, was to bring a sin offering. Why is a sin offering needed for a brand new innocent baby? Of course it is through the sin of Adam. We come into this world adopting Adam's sin. Jesus tells us in John 3 we must be born again. The first birth we are born into sin, but the second birth we are born into righteousness. Thank God for the 2nd birth!!!

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I did some teaching on this subject last night and it went very well. One thing in particular that was brought up was the difference in male and female. When a woman had a male son it took 40 days of purifying and if it was a female it took 80 days. Whatever God's reason it is still God that commanded that there was a distinction put between male and female in their purification. Let's stir off into that a little.

I am a OP conservative that believe's a lady should not cut her hair or wear pants. Although, I think that we can be too intolerant on this issue when it comes to making converts. More importantly than the way we dress I believe that their is a rebellious movement that has been snowballing for the last century and probably sooner. It seems like when you make comments in regards to a male led home people start to squirm in their seats. Why is submission such a bad word in our society?

It isn't just a ladies problem, but men don't want to submit either. Ladies in the last century seem to have wanted to prove that they can do everything that a man can do. For the most part they can, but the question is should they? I recently read an article where a little boy said, "I can wear high heels." Of course the little boy could put his feet in high heel shoes, but that doesn't mean that he should. The philosophy we have pushed, you can be whatever you want to be, is so deeply rooted in our culture. People take that to such an extreme that they can even defy their natural anatomy.

The big issue that Pentecostals make (pants vs. skirts and long hair vs. short hair) is really just a small issue compared to the greater issue in our world. No matter what you wear, there are ladies that resent the boundaries that God has placed in their lives. These career women, who are liberal and independent, and refuse to submit to the roles in marriage. There are men who refuse to lead and provide for their families. Men who will not accept the role of a husband and care for their family.

People think that mothers should take a job and get out of the house so they will have the money to have more things. The houses are bigger, every member of the family feels they deserve a car when they are old enough to drive, etc... We are missing the the plan of God. Men should be the priests, providers, protectors of their homes. Ladies should be the helpers, keepers, nurturers of their home. The husband and wife should not resent their roles, but instead should embrace them.

I do believe that ladies should wear dresses and let their hair grow long, but I think this is just a surface issue. There are deeper issues that are destroying our families from within. We can get the surface cleaned up, but unless we clean the inside, the outward is really a waste of effort. I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but I want men in our church to be confident and strong in the role that God has placed them. I want ladies to be strong and confident in the role that God has placed them. No person is more important then another, but we all are to submit to God.

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gs - I believe just as we have corrupted our church leadership/government, we have also corrupted our family leadership/government.
Now, I am not saying that this is keeping us from heaven, but I believe it is keeping the church from functioning as intended and is keeping our families from functioning as intended.

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Will you share more? More details? Examples?

I am interesting this point of view, and would like to hear it.

Thanks,

Aaron

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Patriarchy?

Seems to me that God has ever been attempting to teach the human race their proper roles in relation to Him first, and each other second.

The fact that God made Adam first, that Eve was assigned an assisting and not leading role in the tending of Eden, that the Messiah came as a male, not a female, and etc.

So, by stipulating that a law be a certain way as it pertained to the sex of a child, it helped support the view God took at the beginning of creation, that men are to lead, be the head of the wife, and etc.

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Who still follows this? More over who really cares??

All in the bible is something God wants us to read. We need to learn why.

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This is a great topic, GS. Many women are offended today and don't like the word submission, and it all goes back to the problem that started in the Garden.

I can't think of any plausible medical reason why the Lord would choose to have a woman wait 80 days after having a female child, and only 40 days for a male child... but who knows, maybe someday science will come up with a very plausible and incredible explanation?

Many such things that we see that God had the Israelites do had a good reason behind it, even if we are not by law required to do those things any longer.

Submission will always remain a hot issue to those who have not learned the beauty and joy and rest that come with submission.

I am thankful that I have learned that true peace and joy in a home come when I am not trying to undermine my husband's leading, but when we work together, and I am grateful and willing to follow his godly leadership. It is a beautiful thing when you understand it can work just as the allegory of Christ and the church.

Now I don't believe that a woman has to wear a skirt and not cut her hair, as you do, but I respect your position on that because I know it is the culture you are in.

Being a part of that culture for a big part of my life, I have known far too many women who relied on their outward appearance, and never tended their inward and who fit the description you speak of (no pants, no cut hair etc.). And I have known far more women who may trim their hair and wear a pantsuit, but modesty is high on their priority list and they would never wear or do anything to bring shame or undue attention to themselves.

True modesty begins in the heart, and it cannot be replicated any other way.

I know my post covers a wide range of topics here, but just my 0.02 cents worth :)

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There is a scientific and medical explanation. Take a few minutes and research. Has nothing to do with submission. Geeeez where do yall come up with this stuff.

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Feel free to share.

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Well first define ''purification'' in this context.

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Beats me, I didn't start the thread. You made it seem like it was pretty straightforward, I just asked you to clarify.

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Purification in this instance is the amount of time given for her to be set apart to be ceremonially clean. The flow of blood after giving birth was part of that process, but of coarse it doesn't last 80 days after which is described for a daughter born. As far as I know the natural process for a woman's body does not differ for a having a male child or a female child. There must be a principle behind the differences of time prescribed for the purification process.

If there is something biological for this difference I am interested to know.

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I do not have time to elaborate. The old folks say a daughter takes twice as much from the mother than a son. Some consider this an old wives tale. Take some time and research.

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In this context of scripture the purification period and the offering had to be done before a woman could have sex again. Its not something we would normally practice today. However I believe its still a Jewish tradition. Making an issue out of these would be like asking all the males in your church if they are circumcised or not. Then to try to relate it to women not being submissive is kinda far fetched.

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Yes. However some of the Bible is just history. I have read where some have tried to make a big deal out of the exact measurements of the Ark. No big mystery here. Just build a boat big enough to float all them dang animals. As far as the topic goes my Native American ancestors have always said it takes a womans body more time to completely recover from having a daughter than a son. So I believe this 40 day and 80 day time frame is only for the natural time a woman needs before becoming pregnant again.

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Do you have kids? I've got seven. Girls don't take more out of Momma than boys do. If anything its likely to be the reverse as boys tend to be slightly larger.

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Yes I have kids. Not gonna argue with this point however you are incorrect. What I am referring to has nothing to do with the size of the child. It starts with two XX chromosomes instead of XY chromosomes. There are several studies on this subject. Although its still unproven theory its still a very interesting read when taking in account the scriptural context in Leveticus along with my Ancestors teaching. With my own observation, reading, etc etc I tend to agree.

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The scripture here says nothing about the time before she could have sex. It talks about her being unclean in regards to the amount of time that must pass before she can come again to the tabernacle of God. Other scriptures deal specifically about the guidelines to intercourse around the times of their menstruation, but this scripture doesn't mention it.

It is very unusual for a woman to continue in her blood for 80 days after having children. I have a son and a daughter and my wife recovered quicker with our daughter than she did our son. I think what you have heard is just old wives tails.

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And I believe you are wrong. No disrespect intended. But why would she be considered ''unclean''?? Like I said the time frame is more complicated than just a menstrual cycle. Let me ask you this how long after each child was your wife's next cycle?? Was it longer after as son or after a daughter?? I bet you don't know.

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That is an interesting point... that the time of separation is not necessarily from s*x but from being able to go to the tabernacle and worship.

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If you have the scientific and medical explanation, do share, links etc.

The submission issue was made obviously a secondary issue by the original poster, and I was just addressing it.

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This what I put into Google:

"does it take longer to recover from birthing a girl or boy"

I got tons of links to Jews debating this very issue, for some reason (!). I also got nonreligious links discussing recovery from childbirth, but could not find anything to substantiate the claim that giving birth to a female requires more biological recovery time than giving birth to a male.

I suspect the claim is bogus.

I did find this: http://www.medicaldaily.com/womb-mak...re-boys-285690 which suggests that girls might have an easier time in the womb and that boys may be more likely to have problems, but I do not see any connection to maternal recovery time.

The issue is one of ritual impurity, not "health", apparently.

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Meanwhile, here's a rabbinical take on it:

http://m.chabad.org/library/article_...nd-females.htm

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After having given birth to a baby boy, a woman must wait a minimum of seven days before beginning her pure days; while after a baby girl is born, she must wait a minimum of fourteen days. Since the female child inherently carries a higher degree of holiness, due to her own biological, life creating capability, a greater void, or tumah, remains after her birth. Thus, the greater tumah after a baby girl's birth reflects her greater capacity for holiness (due to her creative powers) and necessitates the longer wait to remove this ritual impurity."

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Another rabbinical take on it:

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/que...irth-to-a-girl

"The gemoro niddah 31b asks this question. The gemoro answers that tuma is dependant on when she will accept her husband back again. Rather a new notion for it. That the idea of tuma is to stop her being available for her husband so that he should not be able to 'force' or 'pressurise' her into it. And for a boy where everyone is pleased it is after seven days and for a girl fourteen."

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There is more to it than that, I believe. The Spirit instructed men to write what they did and do what they did. Is it a coincidence that the numbers associated with the ark are commonly used throughout the bible? 300, 50, 30. The tabernacle was shown in the book of Hebrews to be typological. And like the ark, it was divinely instructed to the cubit.

There always could be more to it than what our flesh sometimes considers. I believe God doesn't waste words about things that are irrelevant like the size of the ark if size is all that's involved. Who cares what size it is, in itself, really?

Could be.

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Ok I'll bite, what does 300,50 and 30 have to do with anything today? And ofcourse the Ark was divinely instructed, its not like there was a boat builders union for Noah to join.

Please. Lol

Find almost the times 300 is used in scripture, as well as the other numbers, and see a connection. That's about all there is worth saying according to the way you responded.

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Not saying there is not a connection in scripture. Just asking what has it to do with anything today? Im just more of a simplistic Christian.

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It applies spiritually. Like I said, find the connection and you will see.

1Co 2:10....But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


There are depths to the Christian life.