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Light 10-07-2016 02:58 PM

How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
How can one that claims to be a Christian vote for Trump after watching video on twitter and CNN today. Most railed and still raile against Bill Clinton yet love Trump.

Jito463 10-07-2016 03:01 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
How can a Christian vote for Hillary? Write in ELE SMOD - 2016!

Light 10-07-2016 03:03 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1449434)
How can a Christian vote for Hillary? Write in ELE SMOD - 2016!

Yet no outrage from you. Says a lot about you.

LOVE JESUS 10-07-2016 03:12 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
I think he is the better of the two. It is a lost cause to vote for number 3 and 4 and I don't even know their names. I refuse to vote for Clinton because of the lies, Bengazia, her e-mails and all the coverup.. She is for ABORTION and HOMOSEXUAL marriage plus other sins. That alone makes me not approve of her. One thing I keep in mind is something a Chistian man told me recently, "We aren't electing a pastor, we are electing a president." There are some things that I don't like about Trump but I believe he will be more fair for Christian rights and for Israel.
Bro. Light, I am in no way critizing your opinion, so please don't take my comment as though I was against what you said. I see so much bickering on this forum and it bothers me and sometimes, I just want to cancel my membership. I can't understand brothers and sisters being hateful especially those who have the "Truth".

n david 10-07-2016 03:35 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Light (Post 1449433)
How can one that claims to be a Christian vote for Trump after watching video on twitter and CNN today. Most railed and still raile against Bill Clinton yet love Trump.

Who are you voting for, Light?

FTR, I am #NeverTrump and #NeverHillary. I would never, not ever, vote for a pro-abortion, pro-lgbtq, anti-religion Democrat. I also will not vote for a man who is a fake conservative and RINO; a guy who for many years has been a huge donor and supporter of Democrats and liberal causes.

Light 10-07-2016 03:53 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LOVE JESUS (Post 1449436)
I think he is the better of the two. It is a lost cause to vote for number 3 and 4 and I don't even know their names. I refuse to vote for Clinton because of the lies, Bengazia, her e-mails and all the coverup.. She is for ABORTION and HOMOSEXUAL marriage plus other sins. That alone makes me not approve of her. One thing I keep in mind is something a Chistian man told me recently, "We aren't electing a pastor, we are electing a president." There are some things that I don't like about Trump but I believe he will be more fair for Christian rights and for Israel.
Bro. Light, I am in no way critizing your opinion, so please don't take my comment as though I was against what you said. I see so much bickering on this forum and it bothers me and sometimes, I just want to cancel my membership. I can't understand brothers and sisters being hateful especially those who have the "Truth".

You are ok with grabbing a woman by her P (kitty) word. If you watched the video and are not turned off by it then I hope my great granddaughters are never around you let alone Trump.

aegsm76 10-07-2016 04:25 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
I don't recall hearing women claiming to be raped by Trump.
As for the video, disgusting and vulgar locker room talk.
Now tell me, how do you feel about JFK and MLK?

Jermyn Davidson 10-07-2016 04:25 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Vote Trump for high school football locker room monitor!

aegsm76 10-07-2016 04:28 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
And vote Hillary for...
Well, I don't know for what!

LOVE JESUS 10-07-2016 04:55 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
I had not seen the video till just now on the news and no I don't like it but as I said in my original statement, I don't like for people to be rude and you were rude to me. Furthermore, I am a Grandmother not a man so that was totally uncalled for.

Bill Clinton has done worse and Hillary stood by him for the very reason of running for president. She has had this on her mind for many many years.

No, what he said was wrong but I don't believe he was a child molester - maybe a womanizer for sure, but, not a child molester.

I said in my original statement, I was not critizing your statement and could not understand anyone being hateful to others when they claim to have the "Truth". This is what I was talking about and I feel as a Christian brother, you offended me and owe me an apology and if I don't get it, I forgive you anyway. We should all be able to voice our opinion in a loving way and I did that to you. Please re-read my original comment.

Looks as if you owe more than me an apology. You were rude to someothers too.
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Originally Posted by Light (Post 1449444)
You are ok with grabbing a woman by her P (kitty) word. If you watched the video and are not turned off by it then I hope my great granddaughters are never around you let alone Trump.


n david 10-07-2016 04:56 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1449448)
I don't recall hearing women claiming to be raped by Trump.

You don't recall? Guess you must not know your candidate.

"""A federal lawsuit filed in New York accuses Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of repeatedly raping a 13-year-old girl more than 20 years ago, at several Upper East Side parties hosted by convicted sex offender and notorious billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein."""

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/don...-rape-lawsuit/

"""Trump has been accused of raping a 13-year-old child, raping his ex-wife, and attempting to rape a former business associate."""

http://fusion.net/story/328522/donal...exual-assault/

Let's not talk about Trump, though. Let's talk about Bill Clinton! Right, aegsm76?

n david 10-07-2016 05:22 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1449438)
Who are you voting for, Light?

:bump

KeptByTheWord 10-07-2016 07:41 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
How can a Christian vote for either candidate?

This is the craziest election that this country has possibly ever seen. Two of the worst possible candidates ever.

Jito463 10-07-2016 08:15 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Light (Post 1449435)
Yet no outrage from you. Says a lot about you.

No outrage? NO OUTRAGE?! What are you blathering on about? I have never supported Trump, nor do I support Hillary. How about, instead of assuming you know what I'm thinking, why don't you just ask me? Then you won't make a fool of yourself, by making baseless accusations against a fellow Christian.

Jito463 10-07-2016 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1449483)
How can a Christian vote for either candidate?

This is the craziest election that this country has possibly ever seen. Two of the worst possible candidates ever.

:highfive

Originalist 10-08-2016 06:17 AM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1449488)
:highfive

And if Cruz had been nominated, we'd be talking about the interview on last Sunday night's "60 Minutes" with his mistresses or something of that nature. This is how the Clintons play. They know the media is helping them live out one of the biggest double standards in history, so they don't even flinch.

Jito463 10-08-2016 06:42 AM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1449522)
And if Cruz had been nominated, we'd be talking about the interview on last Sunday night's "60 Minutes" with his mistresses or something of that nature. This is how the Clintons play. They know the media is helping them live out one of the biggest double standards in history, so they don't even flinch.

Yes, the media and the Clintons are going to attack whomever is the GOP candidate, but Trump provides them with the ammo. I sincerely doubt Cruz would be shooting himself in the foot, like Trump does.

Originalist 10-08-2016 07:21 AM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1449524)
Yes, the media and the Clintons are going to attack whomever is the GOP candidate, but Trump provides them with the ammo. I sincerely doubt Cruz would be shooting himself in the foot, like Trump does.

How did he shoot himself in the foot by something he said 11 years ago when he wasn't even a politicians, much less running for President?

Anyone who thinks that any GOP candidate would not be having their secret sins exposed right now is dreaming.

n david 10-08-2016 07:30 AM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1449522)
And if Cruz had been nominated, we'd be talking about the interview on last Sunday night's "60 Minutes" with his mistresses or something of that nature. This is how the Clintons play. They know the media is helping them live out one of the biggest double standards in history, so they don't even flinch.

There's no Cruz mistress. That was a lie from Trump and his friend at the Inquirer. The only thing Clinton would be hitting Cruz with would be Canada and how he's "far right wing" and would take us back to the past.

Cruz doesn't have the immoral baggage Trump has.

There's a reason the media helped Trump become the nominee. He was the weakest candidate and if nominated, they knew he would be easy to destroy in order to give the election to Hillary.

n david 10-08-2016 07:33 AM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1449525)
How did he shoot himself in the foot by something he said 11 years ago when he wasn't even a politicians, much less running for President?

Anyone who thinks that any GOP candidate would not be having their secret sins exposed right now is dreaming.

None of the candidates have the issues Trump has.

KeptByTheWord 10-08-2016 09:50 AM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1449528)
There's no Cruz mistress. That was a lie from Trump and his friend at the Inquirer. The only thing Clinton would be hitting Cruz with would be Canada and how he's "far right wing" and would take us back to the past.

Cruz doesn't have the immoral baggage Trump has.

There's a reason the media helped Trump become the nominee. He was the weakest candidate and if nominated, they knew he would be easy to destroy in order to give the election to Hillary.

You know, I think you've hit the nail on the head.

Hillary will be the next president.

And that is a reality we all know deep down inside, but don't want to admit that it could be so. But I think it is.

Monterrey 10-08-2016 06:07 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1449541)
You know, I think you've hit the nail on the head.

Hillary will be the next president.

And that is a reality we all know deep down inside, but don't want to admit that it could be so. But I think it is.

Ive been saying Trump was going to throw it for over a year now.

Esaias 10-08-2016 08:26 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1449529)
None of the candidates have the issues Trump has.

And none of the candidates could generate anywhere near the massive support and turn-out that Trump has.

I said it before I'll say it again, Trump is irrelevant to the vast majority of Trump supporters. He's Grond, and the deplorables are getting ready to storm the Black Gate.

shazeep 10-09-2016 09:45 AM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
shameful to me that faced with such choices, professed Christians cannot see the light; or even, i don't know, half-step, get behind a 3rd party or something.

Evang.Benincasa 10-09-2016 08:57 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LOVE JESUS (Post 1449436)
I think he is the better of the two. It is a lost cause to vote for number 3 and 4 and I don't even know their names. I refuse to vote for Clinton because of the lies, Bengazia, her e-mails and all the coverup.. She is for ABORTION and HOMOSEXUAL marriage plus other sins. That alone makes me not approve of her. One thing I keep in mind is something a Chistian man told me recently, "We aren't electing a pastor, we are electing a president." There are some things that I don't like about Trump but I believe he will be more fair for Christian rights and for Israel.
Bro. Light, I am in no way critizing your opinion, so please don't take my comment as though I was against what you said. I see so much bickering on this forum and it bothers me and sometimes, I just want to cancel my membership. I can't understand brothers and sisters being hateful especially those who have the "Truth".

Israel the 51st State! :yahoo

Originalist 10-09-2016 09:31 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1449756)
Israel the 51st State! :yahoo

The best thing we can do for Israel is get out of their way. Be a friend, a trading partner and stay out of their business. No aid, and no codling. They are welcome to buy as many weapons from us as they need.

Evang.Benincasa 10-09-2016 10:11 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1449761)
The best thing we can do for Israel is get out of their way. Be a friend, a trading partner and stay out of their business. No aid, and no codling. They are welcome to buy as many weapons from us as they need.

Agreed, but also stop sending them money we don't have.

Given that U.S. military aid to Israel was $2.775 billion in 2010, $3 billion in 2011, $3.07 billion in 2012 (and $3.15 billion per year from 2013-2018) while Israel's defense budget is around $15 billion, it made us wonder how much Israeli taxpayers contribute and where the other $12 billion non-U.S. aid comes from.Sep 20, 2012 http://www.businessinsider.com/heres...defense-2012-9

Evang.Benincasa 10-09-2016 10:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1449761)
No aid

Sorry bro, missed this. :thumbsup

shazeep 10-10-2016 08:45 AM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1449761)
The best thing we can do for Israel is get out of their way. Be a friend, a trading partner and stay out of their business. No aid, and no codling. They are welcome to buy as many weapons from us as they need.

um...ya. I think this is completely naive concerning the relationship, which i would characterize completely differently than you, surely--mine would run along the lines of "an incestuous relationship bent upon world dominion abusing Biblical principles (Jewish supremacy) as an ersatz imprimatur of God."

And i also suggest to LJ that this is why contention is a good thing, even if it is not; you obviously have another, prolly Zionist, perspective of at least the country called "Israel." Iron is not sharpened around a campfire singing Kumbaya. Do i like campfires and Kumbaya? Sure i do, but i am a mess, myself, and wonder about calling for peace, when there will be war, so to speak. It might not be pretty, but i accept that MB--to use a proxy--likes campfires and Kumbaya too, iow i am maybe seeking iron and not lead to sharpen my iron, perhaps.

shazeep 10-10-2016 08:47 AM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
ps, you are on equal footing with Muslims as far as the Jewish perspective is concerned.

aegsm76 10-10-2016 11:55 AM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1449457)
You don't recall? Guess you must not know your candidate.

"""A federal lawsuit filed in New York accuses Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of repeatedly raping a 13-year-old girl more than 20 years ago, at several Upper East Side parties hosted by convicted sex offender and notorious billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein."""

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/don...-rape-lawsuit/

"""Trump has been accused of raping a 13-year-old child, raping his ex-wife, and attempting to rape a former business associate."""

http://fusion.net/story/328522/donal...exual-assault/

Let's not talk about Trump, though. Let's talk about Bill Clinton! Right, aegsm76?

Remember the woman who accused GWB of raping her, after he became POTUS.
This story is in the same vein.
Someone looking for publicity.
Here is a quote from the transcript filed (accessed by following your link).

"I traveled by bus to New York City in June 1994 in the hope of starting a modeling career. I went to several modeling agencies but was told that I needed to put together a modeling portfolio before I would be considered. I then went to the Port Authority in New York City to start to make my way back home. There I met a woman who introduced herself to me as Tiffany. She told me about the parties and said that, if I would join her at the parties, I would be introduced to people who could get me into the modeling profession. Tiffany also told me I would be paid for attending."

A 13 year old girl traveling to NYC by herself in 1994?
Right...

n david 10-10-2016 12:13 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1449841)
Remember the woman who accused GWB of raping her, after he became POTUS.
This story is in the same vein.
Someone looking for publicity.
Here is a quote from the transcript filed (accessed by following your link).

"I traveled by bus to New York City in June 1994 in the hope of starting a modeling career. I went to several modeling agencies but was told that I needed to put together a modeling portfolio before I would be considered. I then went to the Port Authority in New York City to start to make my way back home. There I met a woman who introduced herself to me as Tiffany. She told me about the parties and said that, if I would join her at the parties, I would be introduced to people who could get me into the modeling profession. Tiffany also told me I would be paid for attending."

A 13 year old girl traveling to NYC by herself in 1994?
Right...

You don't believe this happens? That kids don't run away or go on their own?

Naïve.

Lawsuit is still moving forward. Odd if this is just made up, as you claim it is.

shazeep 10-10-2016 02:23 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
both might be true though. She might have been taken advantage of, and is now seeking to take advantage.

aegsm76 10-10-2016 02:29 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1449844)
You don't believe this happens? That kids don't run away or go on their own?

Naïve.

Lawsuit is still moving forward. Odd if this is just made up, as you claim it is.

If she was 13 and went to a modeling agency, one of the first things she would be asked would be how old she was.
If she was a minor, they would not talk to her further, without a parent/guardian's permission.

And you call me naive?

Why you have to throw the personal insults into a discussion, I do not know.

n david 10-10-2016 02:41 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1449874)
If she was 13 and went to a modeling agency, one of the first things she would be asked would be how old she was.
If she was a minor, they would not talk to her further, without a parent/guardian's permission.

And you call me naive?

Why you have to throw the personal insults into a discussion, I do not know.

Yes, naïve. Perhaps you should read the definition, because that's not meant as a personal insult. Were I wanting to insult you, I would have said something else, using other words which are actually insulting.

Have you known anyone in modeling or worked with an agency? A 13 year old without parents means nothing. Guarantee you back then especially there were agencies which would take her in without parental permission. Also, they turned her away.

Fionn mac Cumh 10-10-2016 03:36 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Bill Clinton has zero to do with Trumps comments. Do we really believe that this is just locker room banter? Give me a break! Bill Clinton isnt running for office. You people want to see Clinton lose so bad, that you will settle for an idiot like Trump.

Fionn mac Cumh 10-10-2016 03:39 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-b..._10619944.html

aegsm76 10-10-2016 03:55 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1449881)
Yes, naïve. Perhaps you should read the definition, because that's not meant as a personal insult. Were I wanting to insult you, I would have said something else, using other words which are actually insulting.

Have you known anyone in modeling or worked with an agency? A 13 year old without parents means nothing. Guarantee you back then especially there were agencies which would take her in without parental permission. Also, they turned her away.

I guess our truce is over since there you go again.
"You should read the definition"...
And yes I have known several models and people that worked in modeling agencies.
Most of those models were underage and yes they did have to have parent/guardian permission.
How about we just leave it at you believe her story and I have serious doubts.

Fionn mac Cumh 10-10-2016 04:14 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
Trump is the guy who made comments about a 12 yr paris hilton's looks. He is a pig.

Evang.Benincasa 10-10-2016 04:32 PM

Re: How can a Christian vote for Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1449894)
Trump is the guy who made comments about a 12 yr paris hilton's looks. He is a pig.

They are all pigs.

Sorry.


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