Christians should NOT vote for Donal Trump
 

Never have I seen an election cycle where Christians suffer an extreme case of cognitive dissonance than the one we are enduring right now.

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/co...r-donald-trump

Says the guy who thinks David was gay.

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You don't believe King David was a homosexual?

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One word, Bathsheba. :throwrock

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While Donald Trump is the most flawed candidate that I can remember both candidates are flawed and we must vote on what policy positions they represent.

We know Hillary is dedicated to appointing more liberal judges including for the vacant position in the Supreme Court and probably at least one more during her term in office.

Not to mention the scores of other appointed Fedreal judges and all of which serve lifetime appointments.

For this reason alone I would vote for Trump while holding my nose. Obviously there are a lot of other important issues his policy positions are a lot better than a liberal Democrat including gun rights, socialized medicine, and immigration.

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I will not vote for Donal Trump...

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Seriously?

smh

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No, and if you do you need to get right with God. lol

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Wives and concubines. :D

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This belongs in political discussion does it not?

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No, because in America there is no distinction between politics and religion. They are the same thing.

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"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion means."
Mahatma Gandhi
http://i.imgur.com/t2AStxu.jpg

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The Clintons are heavily influenced by the Pentecostal community, and we need their type of alliance and assiciation in the White House.

Remember when former Pres. Bill Clinton spoke at a UPC in Asheville, NC?

https://vimeo.com/130294361

This is why we need Hillary as President. She will be an advocate for Pentecostals.

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What a sad indictment against Pentecostals, if this is true. I know back in the 80s and 90s, the Clinton's were friends with the Lumpkin's and Mangun's. Anthony was flown to the WH on more than one occasion to counsel and pray with Bill Clinton during his Presidency. I don't know if the connection is still there.

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Hillary is a life-long politician and has some questionable history, what politician doesn't have some things in their past? However, Trump is psychologically unbalanced, seems to lie compulsively about things he doesn't even need to lie about, is gratuitously objectifying to women, is borderline racist, dishonest in business dealings, and is quite possibly a pedophile (pre-trial hearing set for December 16th relating to child rape allegations).

Why The New Child Rape Case Filed Against Donald Trump Should Not Be Ignored
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-b..._10619944.html

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ROFLMBO!!!! How did you type this with a straight face? Acutally I am assuming you didn't.

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Felon Who Organized Violence at Trump Rallies Visited White House 342 Times http://truthfeed.com/felon-who-organ...mes-yep/31411/

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looks like voting machines in 22 states are directly connected to the Clinton Foundation
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=45004

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Lay off the Clinton Kool-aid, you are beginning to hallucinate. :D

"Some questionable history" lol. Like OJ has some questionable history, or Casey Anthony has some questionable history, or anyone else who our weak justice system has let literally get away with murder. Sure, sure Hillary hasn't technically murdered anyone, but of all the dead people that have links to her, she knows nothing? Maybe its all just coincidence. Like the Trump violence, which then tapes prove to be the work of Hillary's people.
And rigging the Democratic primary, through Wasserman Shultz, Donna Brazille, and her cronies. Or callously lying to dead people families to cover her own skin. Then flippantly saying later "what difference does it make?" Indeed, it makes no difference to her, cause Hillary is all about herself. If someone has to die, be cheated, babies aborted, or gays married, what difference does it make, so long as she gets power?

Its sickening. And its sickening when Christians white wash this immoral wicked behavior. Don't come talking about holiness and live on the other threads, when you turn a blind eye to such corruption, and stand in favor of voting for the continued and permanent practice of abortion, supporting a party who platform is as anti God, anti Biblical, as it gets, in the history of our country.

This woman just DEFENDED killing a baby the at full term! How any Christian could support that is lost on me.

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Not sure where you got such misinformation about Hillary and late-term abortions, but you're wrong.

Here are the facts:

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/cli...erm-abortions/

Also, Trump is pro-choice, so if abortion is your only issue then you don't have much to choose from.

Did you watch the last debate?

So you post a fact check article in which the first sentence is:

"Hillary Clinton said that late-term abortions "are because of medical necessity." There is little research on the subject, but existing data do not support her claim."

This makes no sense if you are defending Hillary. And abortion isn't my "only issue", but if there's a choice between pro life and murder of innocent children, its a deal breaker for me. We may arrive at the day that is no longer the case, but not thus far. For regardless of Trump's past position, this cycle he has been staunchly pro life.

I have no plans to vote for either, but a vote for Hillary is a vote for killing babies, you can't side step that.

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Hillary made it VERY clear...crystal clear...in the last debate that she wants to legalize the ability to murder a baby up to the point of childbirth. I watched the debate, I heard her state this live. I don't care what some website may claim. This was straight from Hillary's mouth.

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So, you're still going to vote for Trump who is also pro-choice? That makes sense.

You do assume much.

I'm not voting either.

I'm amazed at how many of you aren't voting. Paul the Apostle appealed to his Roman citizenship in order to spread the gospel further when he was being arrested. The soldiers released him. I think you folks need to pray ask God to give you the decision, and then vote. We're not just to sit back and believe everything's going to work out. I believe we can pray, ask God to direct us for our vote and act on that, and influence the election.

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American citizens don't lose their citizenship if they choose not to vote.

Aren't you, inadvertently, giving God his directions by saying, "You folks need to pray ask God to give you the decision and then vote." What if God doesn't tell someone to vote? I don't have any strong direction from God that I need to vote this election cycle.

I believe God influences nations more directly when believers in those nations pray for how they should vote and then do it. Think about two choices. Praying for God to cause everyone to vote the right way to get his will in the end, or for each of us as individuals to pray how we should vote. Which gets has will done more perfectly? Unbelievers moved upon to vote or believers praying and then moved upon to vote?

I never implied anything about losing citizenship. I meant Paul acted on a citizenship in a godless empire to do what he could to see the gospel go forward.

Pray for which view would move the gospel more, and act on it.

I think the choice between not voting to see his will done and voting to see it done is an easy one. Did you pray for how to vote?

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Paul acting on his citizenship has nothing to do with voting. I am an American regardless and can further the Gospel without voting.

The Christian church, at large, has the same statistics as the world - divorce, out of wedlock children, STD's, etc., etc., If the church, at large, had been taking their belief and commitment to God seriously, we wouldn't be having the two candidates we have today.

Yes, I have been praying about it, and will continue to do so up until election day. I noticed my voting cards are in my top desk drawer. I know where they are if I need them. And fortunately, in Texas, you need your ID to vote. :D

I believe not voting for either of these two extremely vile people would move the Gospel forward. Having a large percentage of Republicans not voting, as a matter of record for the Republican nominee, would send a message that we don't condone this type of person on the Republican ticket. The Republican Party has always had a larger bar raised for anyone deciding to get in and run for office who has skeletons in their closet. Trump has so many skeletons the door can't be shut to keep them in. He has lowered that bar considerably and it is very dangerous moving forward to allow this.

We've never had two such vile people running for President at the same time. The old mantra, "Voting for the Lesser of two evils" is certainly accurate this election cycle.

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Never said I would be voting for Trump. It's well known on here that I'm part of #NeverTrump.

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PO - I do not agree with you, but do respect your decision. I am having a hard time voting for Trump, but at this point will do so.
My decision is based mostly on the Democratic Candidate and who would be appointed to SCOTUS.
Another swaying point in my decision is who Trump's enemies are.

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They don't have to appoint a SCOTUS replacement at all. Justice Stephen Breyer has stated that at the time of the writing of the US Constitution we had six justices and it remained that way for a number of years and they operated just fine. Sen. Ted Cruz has also stated that, "There is certainly long historical precedent for a Supreme Court with fewer justices. That’s a debate that we are going to have." Congress blocked Andrew Johnson from appointing a SCOTUS pick. So, we do have precedence for it.

Trump has also stated that he doesn't need the Conservatives to win this election. He was nominated by cross-over Democrats in the Open Primaries and wouldn't be our nominee if the Republican Party held only Closed Primaries. We don't need Democrats deciding for us who our nominee will be. Wikileaks also has information, which we suspected, that the DNC knew Hillary could beat Donald and so they pushed him in the media during the Primaries and now they are bringing out his skeletons, which Ted Cruz predicted would happen.

Evan McMullin is gaining traction and I think that if we want to stop Donald, we could go that route.

I respect your decision as well.

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Can you give me a link to the bolded?

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Voting for DT would violate my conscience. I refuse to vote for DT.

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They are most certainly not the same thing and any statement stating as such is outlandish at best. While one may and does influence the other in many cases to say they are the same thing is ridiculously false.

I agree. I believe Christians should vote one way or the other... For which view allows the gospel to go forth best.

There is on this forum though.

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Not been staying up on all the political discussion here, but don't you think not voting for DT would probably usher in one that is far worse than DT?

As I heard one commentator say, "If DT does one thing right, that would be one more thing than Hillary."

This election is far more important than personalities and or flaws, but who would be most likely to keep the US closer to the freedoms afforded by the constitution.

Those not voting for DT on "principle" may in fact be hurting themselves, their families and grandchildren but may also injure the US beyond repair.

I agree. The lesser of two evils makes it a no-brainer to me.