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deacon blues 12-02-2016 06:45 AM

Clinton/Trump Aides Clash At Harvard Forum
 
Clinton and Trump campaign officials met at a Harvard forum on the election at the JFK School of Government. It got personal and derisive. Obviously the Clinton people are still stung from the election loss.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...?client=safari

Originalist 12-05-2016 06:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1458411)
Clinton and Trump campaign officials met at a Harvard forum on the election at the JFK School of Government. It got personal and derisive. Obviously the Clinton people are still stung from the election loss.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...?client=safari

Strange how none of the NeverTrumpers even commented on this thread.

Jito463 12-05-2016 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1459241)
Strange how none of the NeverTrumpers even commented on this thread.

It's not that strange, considering no one commented on it. You never commented on it, should we consider that strange?

KeptByTheWord 12-05-2016 06:51 PM

Re: Clinton/Trump Aides Clash At Harvard Forum
 
AFF is just strange, that's all... lol

FlamingZword 12-05-2016 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1459241)
Strange how none of the NeverTrumpers even commented on this thread.

The NeverTrumpsters do not have time to make comments, they are still licking their wounds and crying their hearts out. :D

n david 12-06-2016 09:23 AM

Re: Clinton/Trump Aides Clash At Harvard Forum
 
:bored

I don't care about this story, which is why I didn't comment on it. I would imagine it's the same for others. Some threads just don't require a response. This is one of them.

Aquila 12-06-2016 09:37 AM

Re: Clinton/Trump Aides Clash At Harvard Forum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1458411)
Clinton and Trump campaign officials met at a Harvard forum on the election at the JFK School of Government. It got personal and derisive. Obviously the Clinton people are still stung from the election loss.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...?client=safari

Trump is a Nazi. This will never be over until the man is out of office. We will NOT bow nor tolerate this evil man.

n david 12-06-2016 10:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459328)
Trump is a Nazi. This will never be over until the man is out of office. We will NOT bow nor tolerate this evil man.

It's no secret that I don't like Trump and am part of #NeverTrump; however, "Trump is a Nazi" is a bit much. Yes, he's inconsistent. He's arrogant. He's rude and indecent and obscene. But Trump isn't a Nazi.

Jito463 12-06-2016 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1459332)
It's no secret that I don't like Trump and am part of #NeverTrump; however, "Trump is a Nazi" is a bit much. Yes, he's inconsistent. He's arrogant. He's rude and indecent and obscene. But Trump isn't a Nazi.

Exactly. Aquila has posted this nonsense across multiple threads now. I've been considering responding, but ultimately just shook my head and moved on.

Aquila 12-06-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1459332)
It's no secret that I don't like Trump and am part of #NeverTrump; however, "Trump is a Nazi" is a bit much. Yes, he's inconsistent. He's arrogant. He's rude and indecent and obscene. But Trump isn't a Nazi.

Trump has appointed Alt-Right, white nationalist, Steve Bannon to Chief Strategist. Trump has white power groups celebrating all over the nation. Trump's positions are fascist. He's a Nazi. If Trump isn't a Nazi, he's the biggest buffoon to ever win an election because he's walking headlong into surrounding himself with nationalists and right-wing extremists without knowing. Maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit, but I think he knows what he's doing. That makes him a Nazi. And nothing can change that.

No one can defend appointing trash like Steven Bannon to anything, unless it is the ash heap of history.

Do you support the likes of Steve Bannon? Or are you going to draw a line in the sand and call a duck a duck?

This is lining up to be the most ultra-right wing regime to ever assume power in the United States. It's our DUTY to denounce it and call a spade a spade. This is as close as you can come to having a Nazi take over without actual self-professed, German speaking, Nazis actually taking over.

Jito463 12-06-2016 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459344)
He has appointed white supremacists,

No he hasn't. Please stop putting me in the position of having to defend Trump.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459344)
he has white power groups celebrating all over the nation.

And?

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459344)
His positions are fascist.

Specifically?

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459344)
He's a Nazi. Nothing can change that.

No, he's not. Aquila, would you stop delving into hyperbole? You're not doing yourself any good.

And STOP MAKING ME DEFEND TRUMP! :smack

Aquila 12-06-2016 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1459346)
No he hasn't. Please stop putting me in the position of having to defend Trump.

Here's the interesting fact. You're CHOOSING to defend him. I'm not forcing you to do anything. The man's a Nazi. Choose not to defend a Nazi, and we're good. Even if you disagree with me here and there on various details.

Aquila 12-06-2016 11:42 AM

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Trump was assisted throughout his Presidential campaign by Russia (they will expect favors in return).
Trump praises Russia and known fascist dictator Putin repeatedly.
Trump has tons of money invested in Russia.
Trump refuses to release his tax returns which would show how deep these investments go.
Trump invites more hacking by Russia, instead of denouncing it fervently and promising an American response to such criminal acts.
Trump supports stop and frisk gun grabs.
Trump asked about using nuclear weapons regarding regional issues three times in a 30 minute security briefing.
Trump supports isolationist trade policies.
Trump met with the heads of media to threaten them should they wish to continue reporting anything negative about him.
Trump has appointed an Alt-Right nationalist to Chief Strategist.
Trump supports a national registry of all Muslim citizens.
Trump has appointed men who support internment camps for Muslims.
Trump supports revoking citizenship to flag burners.
Trump supports the creation of a special department with the authority to go door to door to find illegal immigrants and deport them.
Trump supports building a Berlin style wall across our Southern boarder.
Trump does not support the NATO Alliance.

If the man openly supported death camps, he'd score 100% on his NAZI admissions testing.

n david 12-06-2016 11:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459344)
Trump has appointed Alt-Right, white nationalist, Steve Bannon to Chief Strategist. Trump has white power groups celebrating all over the nation. Trump's positions are fascist. He's a Nazi. If Trump isn't a Nazi, he's the biggest buffoon to ever win an election because he's walking headlong into surrounding himself with nationalists and right-wing extremists without knowing. Maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit, but I think he knows what he's doing. That makes him a Nazi. And nothing can change that.

No one can defend appointing trash like Steven Bannon to anything, unless it is the ash heap of history.

Do you support the likes of Steve Bannon? Or are you going to draw a line in the sand and call a duck a duck?

This is lining up to be the most ultra-right wing regime to ever assume power in the United States. It's our DUTY to denounce it and call a spade a spade. This is as close as you can come to having a Nazi take over without actual self-professed, German speaking, Nazis actually taking over.

Name something Steve Bannon has done which proves your claims. Consult your liberal rags - HuffPo, DailyBeast, Vox, etc - then post something Bannon has actually done which proves your claim that he's an alt-right, white nationalist trash.

As far as Trump is concerned, I don't know what to say. He's not a nice guy, that's for sure. But he's not a Nazi, he's not a racist, nor is he surrounding himself with such.

Take a breath and ease off the ledge. Breathe, Aquila. Deep breaths. Wooooosaaaaaahhhhhhh.

:lol

n david 12-06-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459348)
Trump supports the creation of a special department with the authority to go door to door to find illegal immigrants and deport them.

Please post your source on this. I've heard this before and have yet to find a liberal who can actually bring a source.

n david 12-06-2016 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459348)
Trump praises Russia and known fascist dictator Putin repeatedly.
Trump refuses to release his tax returns
Trump supports revoking citizenship to flag burners.

Trump has also praised Communist Chinese leaders for their brutal crackdown on Tiananmen Square. He's praised several tyrants and dictators for their "strong" leadership.

Trump not only supports revoking citizenship to first amendment flag burners, but wants to throw them in jail.

Trump also wishes to restrict free press by allowing the press to be sued by Trump for printing any "nasty" things about him.

Look, there are things Trump has said and things which he believes as policy which are incredibly disturbing; things which should be opposed if he continues them after being sworn in as POTUS.

But calling him a Nazi and fascist and posting claims which aren't true is counterproductive.

We have no proof Trump has investments in Russia. We have no proof his tax returns show those investments.

Trump is not making a registry of all Muslim citizens, nor is he going to create internment camps for them. (That's as crazy as the Alex Jones crowd who claimed obama would be rounding people up in FEMA camps after obama was first elected.)

I'm done with my defense of Trump for today.

Jito463 12-06-2016 12:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459347)
Here's the interesting fact. You're CHOOSING to defend him. I'm not forcing you to do anything. The man's a Nazi. Choose not to defend a Nazi, and we're good. Even if you disagree with me here and there on various details.

You're right, I'm choosing to because you're posting this garbage without a single shred of evidence. Being conservative means holding to consistent principles, including defending someone I don't even like, when someone posts lies about him.

n david 12-06-2016 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1459357)
You're right, I'm choosing to because you're posting this garbage without a single shred of evidence. Being conservative means holding to consistent principles, including defending someone I don't even like, when someone posts lies about him.

:thumbsup

n david 12-06-2016 12:12 PM

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So this thread just became interesting.... Thanks, Aquila!

:toofunny

Aquila 12-06-2016 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1459359)
So this thread just became interesting.... Thanks, Aquila!

:toofunny

:thumbsup

Aquila 12-06-2016 12:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1459354)
Name something Steve Bannon has done which proves your claims. Consult your liberal rags - HuffPo, DailyBeast, Vox, etc - then post something Bannon has actually done which proves your claim that he's an alt-right, white nationalist trash.

As far as Trump is concerned, I don't know what to say. He's not a nice guy, that's for sure. But he's not a Nazi, he's not a racist, nor is he surrounding himself with such.

Take a breath and ease off the ledge. Breathe, Aquila. Deep breaths. Wooooosaaaaaahhhhhhh.

:lol

You know, few people thought Hitler was a big deal in the beginning too. Let a 9/11 style tragedy unfold within the next 4 years and.... this man will be TROUBLE for the entire world.

n david 12-06-2016 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459361)
You know, few people thought Hitler was a big deal in the beginning too. Let a 9/11 style tragedy unfold within the next 4 years and.... this man will be TROUBLE for the entire world.

Conservatives said the same thing about obama, remember?

He was going to burn the constitution, take all our guns, throw us in FEMA camps, impose martial law and make himself supreme dictator.

And yet, here we are beginning another peaceful transition of power from one POTUS to another.

Again, there are lot of things Trump has talked about and believes which should they become policy are incredibly bad. But here's the thing: there's no way any POTUS would be able to become a Hitler. Someone would stop the threat quickly.

Aquila 12-06-2016 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1459355)
Please post your source on this. I've heard this before and have yet to find a liberal who can actually bring a source.

Here's one. He's talked about it on the stump in several venues.

Donald Trump promises 'deportation force' to remove 11 million
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politi...ion/index.html

Aquila 12-06-2016 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1459362)
Conservatives said the same thing about obama, remember?

He was going to burn the constitution, take all our guns, throw us in FEMA camps, impose martial law and make himself supreme dictator.

And yet, here we are beginning another peaceful transition of power from one POTUS to another.

Again, there are lot of things Trump has talked about and believes which should they become policy are incredibly bad. But here's the thing: there's no way any POTUS would be able to become a Hitler. Someone would stop the threat quickly.

Obama never promised any of these Jack Boot policies. He was accused of secretly wanting to confiscate guns, etc.

Trump brazenly professes that he actually thinks we need these fascist policies.

Aquila 12-06-2016 12:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1459362)
Conservatives said the same thing about obama, remember?

He was going to burn the constitution, take all our guns, throw us in FEMA camps, impose martial law and make himself supreme dictator.

And yet, here we are beginning another peaceful transition of power from one POTUS to another.

Again, there are lot of things Trump has talked about and believes which should they become policy are incredibly bad. But here's the thing: there's no way any POTUS would be able to become a Hitler. Someone would stop the threat quickly.

This man's wacko ideas only reveal what kind of man he is inside. It reveals how he thinks. The man is a Nazi. Now, hopefully Congress has the manhood to stop him cold when necessary. However, if a massive tragedy unfolds within the next 4 years and this man assumes almost total power.... we have a snap shot of what goes on in his mind. He's TROUBLE. He will not be cool, calm, and principled in a national crisis. The man is a lose cannon who will resort to Hitleresque policies of profiling, detainment, and the use of weapons of mass destruction. Any resistance could lead to genocide on American soil.

n david 12-06-2016 01:41 PM

Re: Clinton/Trump Aides Clash At Harvard Forum
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459363)
Here's one. He's talked about it on the stump in several venues.
Donald Trump promises 'deportation force' to remove 11 million
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politi...ion/index.html

I've seen this link used as a source before. Nowhere in there does it say what you and others claim -- that Trump would be going "door to door" forcibly removing illegals.

jfrog 12-06-2016 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459365)
This man's wacko ideas only reveal what kind of man he is inside. It reveals how he thinks. The man is a Nazi. Now, hopefully Congress has the manhood to stop him cold when necessary. However, if a massive tragedy unfolds within the next 4 years and this man assumes almost total power.... we have a snap shot of what goes on in his mind. He's TROUBLE. He will not be cool, calm, and principled in a national crisis. The man is a lose cannon who will resort to Hitleresque policies of profiling, detainment, and the use of weapons of mass destruction. Any resistance could lead to genocide on American soil.

As irrational as conservative fears that Obama would do the same.

Amanah 12-06-2016 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1459252)
AFF is just strange, that's all... lol

AFF has kind of lost its bite and settled into a sort of murkiness

Originalist 12-06-2016 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459363)
Here's one. He's talked about it on the stump in several venues.

Donald Trump promises 'deportation force' to remove 11 million
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politi...ion/index.html


That does not even begin to resemble Nazi policy. Simply enforcing our very generous and just immigration policy is not Fascism. Under our laws, millions of immigrants will still be welcomed as they follow the process. Your analogy is a joke.

Esaias 12-06-2016 03:23 PM

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I guess everyone forgot Operation Wetback? It's been done before, it'll be done again.

And the liberal SJWs can get free tickets on the bus ride, too, for that matter.

aegsm76 12-06-2016 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459365)
This man's wacko ideas only reveal what kind of man he is inside. It reveals how he thinks. The man is a Nazi. Now, hopefully Congress has the manhood to stop him cold when necessary. However, if a massive tragedy unfolds within the next 4 years and this man assumes almost total power.... we have a snap shot of what goes on in his mind. He's TROUBLE. He will not be cool, calm, and principled in a national crisis. The man is a lose cannon who will resort to Hitleresque policies of profiling, detainment, and the use of weapons of mass destruction. Any resistance could lead to genocide on American soil.

A - good to see you back.
Are you ready to address the false claim you made regarding the Trump hats made in China, now?

n david 12-06-2016 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1459403)
A - good to see you back.
Are you ready to address the false claim you made regarding the Trump hats made in China, now?

He responded to your post in the other thread.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=154

aegsm76 12-06-2016 03:59 PM

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Not really.
And he made another accusation, (in an effort to shift the blame, imo), that I cannot find confirmation for.

n david 12-06-2016 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1459406)
Not really.
And he made another accusation, (in an effort to shift the blame, imo), that I cannot find confirmation for.

Okay. I thought he addressed the claim when he posted "After looking deeper into the issue, yes you're right. The "official" Trump gear was indeed made in America. It is the knockoffs that were made in China."

As far as knockoffs made in China - it's true. Go to Amazon.com and search for the hats. The majority are imported, Made in China.

I know, because a co-worker thought it would be funny to buy one from Amazon for me and another co-worker. The tags clearly say, "Made In China."

Jito463 12-06-2016 07:19 PM

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D'oh! Posted in the wrong thread. Moved.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...23#post1459423

FlamingZword 12-06-2016 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459328)
Trump is a Nazi. This will never be over until the man is out of office. We will NOT bow nor tolerate this evil man.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" is the ninth of the Ten Commandments.

if you are a true Christian you will retract your statement.

you have not proof of that Nazi accusation.

FlamingZword 12-06-2016 09:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1459344)
Trump has appointed Alt-Right, white nationalist, Steve Bannon to Chief Strategist. Trump has white power groups celebrating all over the nation. Trump's positions are fascist. He's a Nazi. If Trump isn't a Nazi, he's the biggest buffoon to ever win an election because he's walking headlong into surrounding himself with nationalists and right-wing extremists without knowing. Maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit, but I think he knows what he's doing. That makes him a Nazi. And nothing can change that.

No one can defend appointing trash like Steven Bannon to anything, unless it is the ash heap of history.

Do you support the likes of Steve Bannon? Or are you going to draw a line in the sand and call a duck a duck?

This is lining up to be the most ultra-right wing regime to ever assume power in the United States. It's our DUTY to denounce it and call a spade a spade. This is as close as you can come to having a Nazi take over without actual self-professed, German speaking, Nazis actually taking over.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" is the ninth of the Ten Commandments

either you are a christian or you are not.

n david 12-06-2016 09:55 PM

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Oh good grief.

:toofunny

FlamingZword 12-07-2016 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1459470)
Oh good grief.

:toofunny

well you are misguided but at least you have not sunk so low as to cast accusations without any proof like Aquila, so you still stand in good ground, despite your sour grapes.

well you are supposed to love your neighbor as yourself, that means you have to love our cheeto president as yourself. :D

Aquila 12-08-2016 08:33 AM

Re: Clinton/Trump Aides Clash At Harvard Forum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1459403)
A - good to see you back.
Are you ready to address the false claim you made regarding the Trump hats made in China, now?

We already addressed it. You're right, Trump Campaign's official gear wasn't made in China. It was the knockoffs that were. This doesn't change the fact that Trump is a fascist Nazi with wide support from white nationalists. This guy is a Fascist. Watch him fear monger to advocate shutting off elements of the internet....just like Russia, China, and North Korea.

PLEASE watch this video. And PLEASE try to be critical of his words and scare tactics. He implies that the Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are foolish notions supported by foolish people. And also, the reality is, terrorists are not recruiting Americans who are leaving by "the thousands". He's lying to scare you. These are scare tactics to convince you to surrender Freedom of Speech and freedom of the press. He sounds no different than Hitler in the early phases of his regime just before he began to crack down on the press in Germany. These are this man's own words. And we're not even in a national crisis yet. I swear to you. This man must NOT take office. This man is dangerous.

WE ELECTED A TYRANT.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/08/tech...net/index.html


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