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A man is offered the chance for a promotion with his job but he has to move from one part of the country to another part of the country.

Within a year and a half of moving, the man's life seems to fall apart-- no job, no car, very few friends, and now he is sleeping in a basement of an apartment building.

In this situation, the man is not living in continual, blatant sin.

His life seems to have fallen apart.

Are things going badly for him because he was, "out of the will of God" with his initial decision to move from point A to point B?

I was tempted to say yes as I tried to counsel with this guy, but I can't think of any scriptures or biblical concepts that would corroborate what I was tempted to say.

Things are seemingly going badly for the guy and I feel bad for him. He has no family here. His father is from another country and his mother from America but neither of them can help their son financially.


Does the Bible say he is suffering because he is out of the will of God?

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Its called life!

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I think Jesus will meet that man where he is and help him get back on track, heaping condemnation on him is not going to help lift him out of the gutter.

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Was Job out of the will of God? Job lost all his children, his property and even his very health. His friends and his wife all turned against him, but he was never out of the will of God. Just because someone is going through a struggle it doesn't mean they're out of the will of God.

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Does the fact that someone is suffering mean that they are out of the will of God?

Has anyone in the will of God ever suffered or experienced trials and hard times?

Does being outside the will of God automatically bring trials?

How many blatent sinners you KNOW are going against the will of God seem to have every advatage?

I believe David wrote that "My steps were almost gone,my feet were well nigh slipped" when he saw the prosperity of the wicked.

I don't believe the "will of God" is some microscopic dot that you must stand on top of to be in exact alignment with His blessings.

Sinners have seemed to have been extremely blessed and saints have experienced great trials and tribulations.

It rains upon the just and the unjust.

Sometimes it's just life and sometimes it's because of unwise decisions that we find ourselves in the positions we find ourselves.

There were times I was going to church and pretty much doing all the right things and I lost jobs because I was either not doing the job correctly or I violated a policy.

It hurt when I lost my job and the reaction I had usually was to wonder why God had failed me instead of accepting that my actions had consequences.

Sometimes it's a lack of good judgement and common sense rather than a issue of being in Gods will or out.

If you want to help him I'd examine why he lost his job so if it IS his fault he can avoid doing it in the future...And maybe also help him find another.

He's probably super depressed and feels like a absolute failure and feels like there is no hope.

Be his strength...Speak wisdom and faith into his life...But dont just be His mouth..Be His hands and feet as well.

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Unless the Holy Spirit specifically gives you a Word of Knowledge or reveals through spiritual discernment that this man was out of the will of God.... I'd not accuse him of such.

Hard times fall on us all. Sometimes perfectly acceptable things and opportunities explode in our faces or fall apart. It is in these hard times that we need to draw close to the Lord and seek His peace and strength to endure the circumstance. Many times God miraculously turns things around in some unexpected way and makes things far better than they ever could have been if all worked out initially. It is in the hard times that we learn that God is with us and we learn to put our faith and trust in Him as being the source of our joy and our peace. I'd admonish you to be a friend to this person. Pray for him daily. Call him regularly and pray over the phone. Encourage him. Tell Him that God knows right where he's at and remind him that God has a plan, even if things don't appear to be going as planned.

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I agree. Some things have nothing to do with God's will. Life just happens.

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It rains on the just and the unjust.

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Excellent advice by all who have posted so far!

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Home Run!!

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Would it matter if the guy I am talking about is me?

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Yeah, I would say be especially kind and loving towards that guy, he needs lots of tender care right now. :friend

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The only way to determine if a person is out of the will of God or not, is to find out if the person obeyed God or not.

With a move, if God has said "Go", to not go would be to be out of the will of God. Going, regardless of what misfortunes come later, was the will of God.

So, instead of looking at current circumstances and trying to divine God's will, the better thing to do is look back and ask, "Did God say it was okay for me to move"?

If the answer is, "I didn't bother to check with Him" or "I really didn't give Him any time to respond" or simply "I don't know" then there is a 50-50 chance the person is out of the will of God, since they allowed their move to based on a toss-up, instead of upon a Word from the Lord.

So, the thing to do now is, ignore circumstances, and ask "God, am I out of your will for my life"? Then actually give Him the time and opportunity to speak. When He answers you, and He will, then respond accordingly.

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God often allows hardships in our lives to keep us humble and cause us to direct our attention to Him and His Will. Not so much for punishment for sins but to keep our mind stayed on Him, always seeking to know His Will better and more perfectly. Pleasures and the easy life have a tendency to cause us to let God slip into the background, and eventually right out the back door. So He uses "life and its hardships" to keep our thoughts on Him.

Besides, if you want to follow Christ, you must be conformed to His image. Which is the life of a "Man of Sorrows", acquainted with grief. Remember, THIS life is temporary, so we need to occasionally be reminded not to get too caught up in the daily grind.

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Philippians 4:11-13,

11. Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
12. I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
13. I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

How can one learn contentment and know that they can do all things unless they are given a chance to find contentment in difficult circumstances? How can they do all things unless some of those "things" are presented to the believer to do?

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You are in our prayers. allstate1 nailed it. It's life, and it's all good. There is nothing really bad. But it is an opportunity to roll up your sleeves and allow Jesus to lead. All things (and it does mean all things) work to the good for those who love the Lord and called according to His purpose. The Apostle made this statement, "We think you ought to know, dear brothers and sisters, about the trouble we went through in the province of Asia. We were crushed and overwhelmed beyond our ability to endure, and we thought we would never live through it." Paul was speaking partly about this situation, "you know that everyone in the province of Asia deserted me, including Phygelus and Hermogenes."

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this blessed me this morning

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I give myself away
I give myself away
So You can use me
I give myself away
I give myself away
So You can use me

Here I am
Here I stand
Lord, my life is in your hands
Lord, I'm longing to see
Your desires revealed in me
I give myself away

Take my heart
Take my life
As a living sacrifice
All my dreams all my plans
Lord I place them in your hands
My life is not my own
To you I belong

I give myself, I give myself to you
Songwriters: W MCDOWELL
© FUN ATTIC MUSIC, LLC
For non-commercial use only.
Data from: LyricFind

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Thank you.
Thank you all so very much.

For the scriptures, words of encouragement, references to songs that have blessed me-- I appreciate your kindness to me.

"He speaks and the sound of His Voice is so sweet that the birds hush their singing."

That line...

When God inspired that hymn, did He have this morning in mind?

Oh God, let me hear Your Voice!

"I need Thee, oh I need Thee!"


You are my dawn.
You are my evening.
And at midnight,
I'm not alone.
You are my hope.
You are my song.
You are Jesus--
my Bright Morningstar.

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Definentely unrepented sin...........


:throwrock



And I am joking.

Praying for Jermyn in Jesus name!

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*Sings loudly*

If your hair is too loooong!!!!
There's sin in your heart!!!!!
Get it cut todayyyyyyy!
And make a clean start!!!!

Don't live in life of dear and dread
With that tangled mess upon your head
If your hair is too long
There's sin in your heart!

But Jermyn is bald so we know that's not the case. Lol

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:heeheehee

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Praying for you Jermyn! I've heard someone say, sometimes Jesus has to wreck a life before putting it back together! I will believe and pray that the Lord will use this time of difficulty in your life to birth something new and glorious, and better than what you had before!

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It's a common error to think if we're uncomfortable in a situation we are out of God's will. My family goes to a church that constantly indicated that lack of comfort meant lack of God's will. Any time people would feel out of place, they felt something is spiritually not God's will.

Tell that to Paul:

2 Cor 11:32 In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me:

33 And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands.

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The question is whether he is putting his job before his walk with the Lord. Is he praying, fasting, studying the word and worshipping as before the move? Yes, the rain does fall on the just and the unjust, because our Father is good. The princes of Israel did not counsel the Most High when making a league with the Gibeon people; which was a grave error. Not seeking our Heavenly Father in prayer and fasting before making key decisions in our lives is unwise. But if we turn back with all of our heart, then we know our Father will forgive. Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Selah

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Encourage that man with everything that happened to the patriarchs and apostles. Jailed,beaten,shipwrecked,lied on, beheaded, homeless, broke, hungry, alone, naked, cold, abused, stoned, etc. Bro. Paul of Tarsus probably asked the same thing perhaps when he was abused the umpteenth time. Take a look at Jacob and uncle Laban, or better, teenage Joseph and Potiphar's wife.

The only person God who will know if you are in the will of God is you!

There will inevitably be someone to point out some problem and use that as proof that you are somehow a rebellious Jonah on the run or worse.

While there are prodigal sons who lose everything, there are righteous Jobs!

Loss doesn't equal to being out of the will unless you left with a Jonah or prodigal spirit.

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Isn't hating one's life also key to being a disciple of Jesus Christ?

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Awesome! :thumbsup