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Jito463 03-06-2017 03:44 AM

Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
According to public records, and even the lame stream media, the Obama administration performed wiretaps on the Trump campaign during the election. All of which is laid out effortlessly by Levin, who is definitely no fan of Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjToGCWpm-g

Originalist 03-06-2017 04:01 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
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Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1471735)
According to public records, and even the lame stream media, the Obama administration performed wiretaps on the Trump campaign during the election. All of which is laid out effortlessly by Levin, who is definitely no fan of Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjToGCWpm-g


Did you see Schumer's response yesterday? He says either was Trump loses, whether the wire-tap accusation is true or not because if it is true, Trump must have done something horrible in order for a wire-tap to be requested.

Evang.Benincasa 03-06-2017 04:53 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh16...annel=MaxPower

Aquila 03-06-2017 06:40 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
You're the President.

Your intelligence agencies are reporting that the Russians (a hostile nation) are illegally hacking into servers belonging to the DNC and servers belonging to Congressional Democrats.

Your intelligence agencies report that it appears that the Russians are indeed searching for data on the current candidate of your party who is running for President. Data that can conceivably be used to sway public opinion, thereby illegally effecting the democratic process of a United States Presidential election.

Intelligence agencies report that they have verifiable evidence that Russian officials are meeting with top level members of the opposition candidate's campaign and that they are in contact with Russians who are giving sources and information on Russian intelligence assets.

Intelligence officials recommend a wiretap to monitor all communication between the candidate's campaign and the Russians.

What do you do?

n david 03-06-2017 08:52 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1471738)
You're the President.

Your intelligence agencies are reporting that the Russians (a hostile nation) are illegally hacking into servers belonging to the DNC and servers belonging to Congressional Democrats.

Your intelligence agencies report that it appears that the Russians are indeed searching for data on the current candidate of your party who is running for President. Data that can conceivably be used to sway public opinion, thereby illegally effecting the democratic process of a United States Presidential election.

Intelligence agencies report that they have verifiable evidence that Russian officials are meeting with top level members of the opposition candidate's campaign and that they are in contact with Russians who are giving sources and information on Russian intelligence assets.

Intelligence officials recommend a wiretap to monitor all communication between the candidate's campaign and the Russians.

What do you do?

It is illegal for a sitting President to authorize or execute a wiretap on any citizen, much less the man running for President from the opposing party.

Period. End of story.

Your story doesn't matter in regards to the legality of the situation. If obama or Lynch did this, they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

That said, Trump better have some solid proof and present it. Too often, Trump has just gone on Twitter rants and made wild (and false) accusations against people. This is a very serious accusation, so he better not be making junk up as he did against his opponents during the primary.

houston 03-06-2017 10:34 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
Really, Aquila?

The first warrant (that was denied) was requested after Bill Clinton met with Lynch on a landing strip. Very few warrants are DENIED! They had absolutely nothing.

Esaias 03-06-2017 10:53 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
You people act all surprised, as if we were a nation of laws and principles, and not the world's greatest banana republic...

Aquila 03-06-2017 10:56 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1471766)
It is illegal for a sitting President to authorize or execute a wiretap on any citizen, much less the man running for President from the opposing party.

Period. End of story.

I'm not saying that it is legal. lol

I'm saying, if it could be a matter of national security, would you break the law, with the CIA and other intelligence agencies backing you?

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Your story doesn't matter in regards to the legality of the situation. If obama or Lynch did this, they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Never said that they shouldn't be.

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That said, Trump better have some solid proof and present it. Too often, Trump has just gone on Twitter rants and made wild (and false) accusations against people. This is a very serious accusation, so he better not be making junk up as he did against his opponents during the primary.
Agreed. My first impression was to dismiss it as another one of Trump's stupid, baseless, and blustery accusations. But, please notice, I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt.

Aquila 03-06-2017 10:57 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1471782)
Really, Aquila?

The first warrant (that was denied) was requested after Bill Clinton met with Lynch on a landing strip. Very few warrants are DENIED! They had absolutely nothing.

We can't say that definitively. Are you so confident that you'd go on record with the wager of your first born's soul on it? I wouldn't.

Games are often played. If they have anything on Trump... they might be holding it close to their chest to completely obliterate him and/or the Republicans in the next election cycle.

Aquila 03-06-2017 10:58 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1471783)
You people act all surprised, as if we were a nation of laws and principles, and not the world's greatest banana republic...

I know, it's not uncommon for Presidents to bend and break the law almost routinely.

Jito463 03-06-2017 12:20 PM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
If it was just Trump tweeting it, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it. However, with Levin laying out the case (and no one can lay the charge that he's a Trump supporter), I tend to put a little more credence into the claim.

Aquila 03-07-2017 02:27 PM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
What is the evidence that Trump was wiretapped?

aegsm76 03-10-2017 01:42 PM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
Have you read the Mark Levin article or seen any of the interviews?

Aquila 03-10-2017 01:43 PM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1472406)
Have you read the Mark Levin article or seen any of the interviews?

Yes. And not even he presented any evidence.

aegsm76 03-10-2017 01:52 PM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
Good story on this here.

link
http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/obamas-wa...n-u-s-history/

snippet
Perhaps the first sign came Saturday when, as WND reported, former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau responded cautiously to President Trump’s tweeted accusation that the Obama administration had spied on his campaign and wiretapped him.

Favreau warned fellow Democrats in his own tweet: “I’d be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the WH (White House) ordered it.”

Aquila 03-13-2017 06:33 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
It was the CIA making it look like Obama wiretapped Trump. lol

mfblume 03-13-2017 08:11 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
As a Canadian it's unbelievable to watch people from sides of the hyper-partisan nation -- USA -- defend their side no matter what, and both sides do it.

aegsm76 03-13-2017 09:10 AM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1472972)
As a Canadian it's unbelievable to watch people from sides of the hyper-partisan nation -- USA -- defend their side no matter what, and both sides do it.

mf - agreed. Both side have their share of hypocrites.

Aquila 03-13-2017 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1472972)
As a Canadian it's unbelievable to watch people from sides of the hyper-partisan nation -- USA -- defend their side no matter what, and both sides do it.

Hey, would you consider yourself a democratic socialist? You'll get no criticism from me. I have Christian friends and family in Canada (Ontario). The little lady has Christian friends in the UK, Belgium, and the Netherlands. They are democratic socialists and they find it an oddity that American Christians have married American style capitalism to the Christian faith in such a way that one's faith is questioned if one isn't a laissez faire capitalist.

n david 03-13-2017 05:05 PM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
Today was the deadline for the Dept of Justice to present proof of Trump's claims that obama wiretapped his phones.

Earlier today, Sean Spicer walked back Trump's claims by presenting an alternative definition to "wiretapping," saying it meant "broadly, surveillance and other activities." I guess when Trump tweeted, what was it - three or four tweets, about his "PHONES" being tapped, he was really talking about the microwave in the Trump Tower which magically transforms into a camera.

And speaking of microwaves transforming into cameras ... ah, Kellyanne Conway. I thought Trump surrounded himself with the best minds. Obviously not the case with her.

Yesterday, Conway gave an interview to the Bergen County Record, that's North Jersey - I looked it up since it wasn't the typical Sunday interview a Sr. WH staffer would give. Unfortunately for Conway, there's still the interwebs.

Q: Do you know whether Trump Tower was wiretapped?"
A: What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other, now unfortunately. There was an article this week that talked about how you can surveil someone through their phones, through their, certainly through their television sets — any number of ways. And microwaves that turn into cameras, etc."

:toofunny

It appears, from the interviews and statements from the WH, that there is no actual evidence this happened. From the statements, it appears Trump made an accusation and hoped a resulting investigation would find something which would prove him right.

This is wrong. And it's not the first time Trump has used this tactic. During the primary, Trump routinely made up false information and spread lies about his opponents. What Trump did is selfish and shameful. And it wasted a lot of time when there are real matters which need to be addressed.

If the WH or DOJ has proof, present it. Don't do what Spicer and Conway have done -- claim they'll wait to see what the investigation turns up. Present the evidence or stop making accusations.

Jito463 03-13-2017 05:51 PM

Re: Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1472972)
As a Canadian it's unbelievable to watch people from sides of the hyper-partisan nation -- USA -- defend their side no matter what, and both sides do it.

While true, you'll typically find that conservatives are far more willing to take on "their own side" when wrong than liberals are. In fact, the whole Tea (Taxed Enough Already) Party movement started in opposition to the Bush stimulus package garbage. He was a Republican, but conservatives still rose up in opposition to him because he was wrong. Funny how that never happened with the liberals when Son of Stimulus (a.k.a. the Porkulus bill) came out from the Democrats, threatening over 1 TRILLION dollars in new spending.


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