My Pastor Preach on Tithing - Faulty Methodology
 

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It wasn't just any Israelites condemned for not robbing God in Malachi 3:8.

It was the Levites who had taken the tithe from the people and misused it.

Malachi 3:8 specifically addresses them.

It crazy that preachers supposedly fulfilling the role of modern day Levites would use a scripture used by God to punish their predecessors and use it to crack the whip on those that were taken advantage of in Malachi 3:8.

Context Context Context

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Why is this your pastor if you disagree with such an issue so strongly? It is not good to bash your own pastor, even if he is wrong. You spoke quite condescendingly about him. I think it is an unwise post the way you worded this.

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Forum Troll, posts to get a rise out of people.

Whoever this is, they may already have their pastor's head stuffed and mounted on the wall over their computer.

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Mfblume,

I'm there for personal reasons I can't disclose.

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EvaBen,

Forum troll? What great substance you have to offer. I'm assuming you might be one of those "robots?"

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BW, the bible says to honor those who have the rule over you for they are watching for your soul . . . love and serve and submit to each other as unto Jesus.

What the above poster's objected to is your attitude.

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Then why complain about a sermon?

Are you an elder in your congregation? Did you speak to an elder about the sermon? Did you speak to the pastor about the sermon?

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Oh but of course, how convenient that you are in the congregation on a secret mission. :lol

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Such a lack of respect....

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The accusation of Trollster wasn't unwarranted.

The individual uses the nick BRAINWASHED?

Then we receive the "my pastor is in it for the money" Bible study?

Seriously?

So, after I called this person a troll, I then get "what great substance you have to offer?"

You want some substance BW? Here let me help you out. Number one give this thread to your pastor. Let him know that you have taken your show on the road. Have a nice discussion with him, tell him goodbye, and then start your own congregation. Hey, we now know you can do it better than anyone. Because after all these years on these forums I learned that people who start these sorts of threads are experts on how to git'er done. Far be it from me to correct such a scholar from the holler. I bet people just sit like hungry birds with their mouths wide open for you when you are teaching and counseling people out in the parking lot. No, you go forward and show this entire thread to your pastor.

Then get some chairs, take your Bible, and show everyone how to do it. ;)

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*Whistles Aimlessly* Nice weather we are having today.

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Bart is back!!!!!!

:woot

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That's fine. But it is best to not disclose your thoughts about the pastor publicly either. Make it about the issue and don't mention who it is who said these things. ...my advice.

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Exactly because the first thing people are going to do when you express views they don't agree with is attack the messenger first so they don't have to discuss the message.

It's the same way with politics and philosophy.

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It's just that when people start these threads it seems always to have a pastor hanging at the end of a rope. Swinging slowly back and froth while they hold their discussion. Then you have your UPCI dragged through the street thread. This is where the posters take turns tying the UPCI to the back bumper of their truck. They then drag it around till the meat falls off its bones. Last but not least the Ultra Conservative Old Time Pennycostal thread, where the poster take UC preachers, churches, standards and burn them in effigy. All while they form a dance line behind the god Bacchus.

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Dude I totally get that.

I also get how frustrating it is to believe everything you are told and then find out that they were wrong about things.

It's a horrible letdown.

Yes yes I know it's our fault for putting a man on a pedestal....But we didn't do that did we?

In many cases the man was already on the pedestal when we showed up and we didn't know any different so we just fell in line like everybody else.

We searched through scripture not trying to disprove a pastor out of carnality but because we were trying to understand and then we discovered something called context.

We keep digging because we have been told that we have truth so what is there to fear?

So there is some anger and confusion...You begin to wonder if anyone else knows...Will you be targeted if you speak up?

I didn't have one of those nice touchy feely pastors...I had a hardcore ex town drunk...The kind of guy you were afraid of for good reason...So you just kept your mouth shut out of fear.

Is he coming across kinda rough? Maybe a bit.

So here's my advice to the OP.

I'm sure your pastor is preaching what he believes and what he was taught with no ulterior motives. Maybe or maybe not but that's what I'm choosing to believe.

The Bible has a TON of different things and very few people agree 100% on them.

Be mature and see it as one of those things.

Pray that God will speak to him about what you are seeing.

Don't cause discord or try to recruit people on a "anti pastor crusade" because I guarantee you that if they up and leave and follow you they will leave you just as quick over something THEY don't agree with you about.

Don't just take things at face value....Study them for yourself.

You are not a hammer...Everything that pops its head up doesn't need to be wacked.

Instead of getting worked up over things such as tithing why don't you work on obeying the things that ARE clearly spelled out for believers to be doing.

Heal the sick,raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devil's.

That's way more fun and productive than debating about tithing.

No one will ever come to the knowledge of the saving,healing delivering power of Christ by debating church policy.

Ultimately it's a distraction...If the enemy can get you focused on this instead of obeying Christ, he has you beat because no matter how well you can argue against tithes if you aren't obeying Christ you are in disobedience and in sin which means the enemy has taken you out of play.

I'm not being harsh or hateful bro and neither are the above posters. We don't agree on everything...We just want to help and we want you to be fighting the right enemy and the right enemy isn't your pastor...Our enemy is not flesh and blood....

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I've spoken to the pastor who always dances around my questions. I have never been able to receive a direct answer, just as nobody here yet addressed my post.

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Oh spare me......What about a lack of respect for using the word of God to enforce something that's no longer valid?

What happened to Paul's comment in 2 Corinth 9:7-(AMP)
Let each one give [thoughtfully and with purpose] just as he has decided in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver [and delights in the one whose heart is in his gift].



Where in this scripture is Paul commanding tithing for the New Testament church?

Can you answer that?

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Evan Ben,

How about you address my comments. I would love to read your explanation.

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I've discussed it with him. The answers are "I'll get back to you" and he never does.

If I teach something over the pulpit, I'm prepared to give you answer backed by scripture any day you want and twice on Tuesday. Too bad there aren't more people like me.

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Simple logic.....Perhaps it's because a pastor always preaches on the subject?

Again, if you preach something behind a pulpit, you better have scripture to back up your sermon. Don't use scriptures out of context. Doing to only shows your lack of knowledge and understanding.

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Jedi,

I was just irritated a little because I've been waiting 5 months now for answers to my tithing questions, and every time I receive the same answer..."I'll get them for you." Yet, after 5 months, you get up and preach a sermon on tithing and have yet to address my questions. I'm sure that would irritate anyone.

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BW, check out this thread

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=12984

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No you wouldn't love to read anything which contradicts you.

You just need to do as you have done your whole life.

Think your important, hope other people think your important.

Christianity isn't your cup of tea?

Ok, it isn't a cup of tea for a lot of people. But instead of of leaving it and making up their own religion, they become obnoxious. they stay in Christianity and annoy everyone around them. The first guy to get a busted lip is the man in the pulpit. If he ever turned around on the platform everyone could get a good look at the daggers sticking out of his back. We always get to read the threads about "My Pastor lights his cigars with my tithe dollar" But we never get to hear the pastor's side of the story? Listen, be a good chap, and get your pastor over here. I want to hear what he has to say, I want to hear his views on his preaching. I'm just getting one side of the story from you.

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You're irritated?

5 month wait to get an answer?

Preached from the pulpit?

Seriously!

Hoss, I do believe tithing is the least of the issues.

Listen, you want the pastor to respond to you? Just show him this thread.

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I rest my case. :lol

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Bottom line:

It does NOT matter what the topic is - Tithing, Standards, Attendance, or a any of hundreds of different doctrinal subjects - two things you must answer for yourself:

1. Am I in the perfect will of God attending this Church under the current leadership

2. If the answer is yes - then you MUST obey and submit to authority, EVEN if they are wrong on a subject - you are not called to correct the pastor, and certainly not to cause division in that local body.

If you have an issue - take it to him/them in a respectful and humble way - in the meantime, while you wait for answers, submit and cooperate - if you rebel, God will not bless that...period!

Of course, if you just can't deal with it, find another Church / leader that you can submit to and serve under. You will never agree on every practice or doctrine, but God blesses order and structure - He is a God of principles and patterns.

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:thumbsup

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To the OP....I'm not sure if you attend my church or not, but if you do...I'm sure you would feel much more comfortable at the church across town. Ya need a letter to take with ya?!

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I wonder is that person is still around?

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Interesting. Most ministers tend to stick together and when questioned, they cower.

Your comments are typical.

How about you take one for the team and answer a few of my questions?

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Why would I require a letter?

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Create a new post in the forum under
Forum AFF -> The Sanctuary -> Deep Waters

Ask your questions in a sincere manner without bashing anyone and you will likely get answers

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No one who teaches we are not under the law of Moses can teach tithing. If tithing is for us why not the Sabbath?

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Paul was very clear on this matter when he met together with the Elders of the Church at Ephesus.

Pay close attention to the words in bold.

Acts 20:32-35

32And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. 33I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

It was the PERFECT situation for todays Tithing Preachers. They would have taught the Elders....Make sure you teach the people to tithe.

Instead Paul charges them something that would offend most Preachers today.

GET A JOB. WORK WITH YOUR OWN HANDS.

Not a word about tithing.

There IS teaching about giving to the ministry in the New Testament. It is a very good thing. However those that require strict tithing as certainly off base.

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1.Jacob made a vow. Vows were common then and 10% was a good round number to use.

2. Tithing had been commanded under the Law, therefore failure to do so was robbing God.

Differences? Jacob was not under a covenant that required tithing, the Levites were.

Now, go be a blessing to your pastor.

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Tend to stick together? Ask a question and they cower?

Ask a question and they cower? Hmm, is the interpretation of that sentence...COME AT ME BRO!

No, you are the pastor, you are the leader, you are the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker. I already gave you the answer, go get some folding chairs, take your Bible and move across town. Show everyone how it's supposed to be done. Listen, you don't want answers, and I'll take a good guess your pastor already knew you didn't want an answer. Also, did you share your revelations with everyone else in your church? Did you have some telephone Bible studies, go out to the restaurant with some church members and have some boiled pastor over rice? Stick together eh?

No, we all don't always stick together, but we all know how to spot an opportunist trouble maker. Brainwashed? Go start your own thing, and may the Lord bless you with someone just like YOU. :thumbsup

I guess we are even then. Look, this forum is jam packed with "dogpile on the pastor" threads, "Hey, let's impale the UPC" threads, "How to burn a Ultracon with cigarettes" thread. My comments are typical response to your "the pastor won't give me the honor I deserve" comments.

Generally I would, but I'm getting old, and frankly, these "My Pastor is a Big Jerk" threads actually go nowhere. It is like teaching a pig to sing, it wastes your time, and annoys the pig.

Hey, be honest you didn't ask these questions on a public forum to get answers. Your mind is already made up. Again, show the thread to your pastor. I believe with all my heart that after you sit down with him, and show him this thread on his lap top, all your questions will be answered. :nod

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You aren't old Benicasa...You just runnin low on bacon :-D

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I need that chicken with bacon suspenders. :)