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You know, I am sincerely dismayed over how so many Republicans insist on ignoring the real problems unfolding in front of our eyes with the Trump presidency.

Scandal after scandal after scandal. No! This is NOT NORMAL!

I am even more dismayed when I remember the harsh and irrational rhetoric and accusations Obama endured as some Republicans have the gall to casually forget that there was really no cause-- no substance to most of the harsh and irrational rhetoric leveled at President Obama.

Now we have President Trump, WHOSE OWN WORDS AND ACTIONS have contributed HUGELY to what is going on, and some Republicans are trying to convince others that President Trump is a victim!


I haven't been a Democrat for a long time. I don't usually vote Democrat and haven't for a straight Democrat ticket for a long, long time.

Still, the blatant inconsistency is so maddening!

Trump needs to be investigated and the investigations that should be launched need to come from INDEPENDENT investigators.

Should it be found that Trump is innocent of impeachable acts and should it be found that his actions are nothing more than "out of the ordinary", bordering on the politically "MORONIC", then I will look for ways to cheer on our underdog President.

Should it be found that Trump committed an impeachable act, I WILL PERSONALLY do what I can to make sure the matter is not "dropped" until impeachment proceedings begin!

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So now we have a third world system where an elite group can blatantly ignore the Constitution and nothing happens...

Has it ever been proven that Obama spied on the "trump Tower"?

If Trump has done something unconstitutional he should be impeached.

Hilary should be placed on trial for keeping classified information on a private server.

Her IT staff should be jailed for obstruction of justice by wiping the server.

Someone in the Justice department should be jailed for Fast and Furious.

The people responsible for using the IRS to target conservatives should be fired and lose all benefits and placed on trial.

There needs to be a root cause analysis done on Benghazi and the obstructionist (negligent person) placed on trial for murder.

Those who upheld the lie that it was about a stupid low budget movie should be banned from political life forever.

The people responsible for spying on journalists should be jailed.

The handling of Bergdahl should have landed impeachment proceeding on Obama - He ignored the Senate and gave up 5 (if I remember correctly) well-known terrorist for a single Army deserter.

The Iran deal ignored the Constitution.

The VA scandal should have placed someone on trial and jailed for manslaughter of everyone who died without proper treatment.

And the list goes on and on...

It is hypocritical for Democrats to ignore the abuses of the Obama Administration and the Clinton's while trying de-legitimize the Trump Administration. Not saying anyone here is doing so - just an observation.

I have seen reports of Trump supporters being beaten and harassed by the leftists. The hatred of the Left is blatantly obvious. This concerns me about the character of the nation my children will inherit. Hate rules and if you disagree with the Left they will seek to destroy you. For this reason I pretty much ignore what the MSM puts out there. I cannot and do not trusty what they say.



I support the ban on immigrants from the nations listed on the Trump travel ban.
How many terrorists are in this country already?
How many Boston's, Florida's, San Bernardino's must there be? No seditious ideology has a First Amendment right to subvert and murder U.S. citizens.

I support cutting off federal funds to sanctuary cities. How many innocent victims must there be before this nation rises up?
http://www.fairus.org/issue/examples...illegal-aliens

We must know who is coming into the country.
Are they criminals?
Are they coming for a handout?
Do they have a communicable disease?
Are they terrorists?

These are just 2 examples of what I support about Trump. With that said, I also believe he is a pompous blowhard but it is fun to watch him go after the MSM. They hate him...

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Prove even one "scandal". We'll wait.

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No. Mindless blathering that OBAMA ordered such and it is seems that maybe he should have... concerning Flynn? I digress.

Agreed.


What is the LAST thing the FBI said about this? Seems to me that all they wanted to do was just cause questions. Heaven forbid we question the actual POTUS...

Agreed. They knew NOT to do that and they did it anyway. There is no excuse.

Who though? The practice of "gun-running" started under who? When?

Disagree. That was investigated and the accusations were unfounded.


Disagree. There wasn't a single person responsible for Benghazi-- CONGRESS was responsible for Benghazi when they trimmed that mission's security funding.


That is not how a representative democracy works. Besides, the truth came out and I still cringe how people wanted to KNOW exactly what had happened within 48 hours of that terrorist attack when there were SEVERAL attacks and protests that day, around the whole world-- not just one.


Disagree. The Constitutional implications are concerning, but unless an actual law was broken, drastic, knee-jerk responses like that won't help the direction our country is heading.


Disagree.

EDIT:

I am thinking that since this is a military situation, as Commander-In-Chief, he can make the call to not leave any Americans behind. So really, your only recourse would be to attempt to court martial the Commander-In-Chief. Not gonna happen. Bergdahl appears to be pure trash. I probably wouldn't have included White House photo ops for his parents in the carrying out of my duties to bring Bergdahl home. I would have done what I could to bring Americans home-- especially Americans who are alive.


Care to elaborate? I disagree, but President Obama, the Constitutional scholar, probably thought about your objections before he made that deal. I probably haven't.


Again, when it comes to systemic, government problems, it is hard to hold a single person responsible. A few VA Directors were fired once it BECAME CLEAR that record manipulation was known about and openly practiced at their medical centers. Still, your desire to convict someone of manslaughter for the cases we know about is not possible and really wouldn't be justice anyway. Sending a single lowly administrative clerk to jail with a manslaughter conviction for their role in a systemic problem is not what I think justice would look like.

And the list goes on and on...


Major difference is the alleged abuses of the Obama Administration have been investigated thoroughly. Remember how before and after and while still trying to tie Obama himself to a conservative organization losing their non-profit status in Arizona, the conservative news media narrative was that OBAMA was behind it all! The accusations were then and still are preposterous and were without merit from the start. They were borne out of paranoia.

Trump is his own worst enemy. His words. His actions. The people connected DIRECTLY to him. That is the MAJOR DIFFERENCE between the Trump chaos and the character assault Obama endured.


If you want to show yourself objective, please bring up ALL the senseless POLITICAL violence connected with Trump, his words, and his supporters. I abhor all of the political violence, but we cannot have a rational conversation about that unless we are willing to admit that both sides have engaged in political violence.


I would support it IF it wasn't presented in such a clearly xenophobic manner. His words has led to Judges across America questioning his intents with his travel ban.

His. Own. Words. Nothing else.

Everyone wants to be safe. No single person should be granted the power to single-handedly destroy the pluralistic character that has come to define our country.

Agree. There should be no such thing as "Sanctuary Cities" and the matter should not be settled with funding cuts. This matter attacks the identity and unity of our country. It actually undermines the power of the State government and even more so for the Federal government.


Agree.

We don't need any more criminals. We have our own criminals.

I think this question belies an unfortunate prejudice you have been fed concerning the vast majority of immigrants who come to America-- legally and illegally.

Most immigrants who come to America come for the opportunity-- not for the handout.


Of course this is a valid concern.

Most, not all, but most terrorist attacks happening on the continental United States have been committed by Americans. I see another parallel in discussing this subject in the context of all things American but it would be off subject.


I don't like Trump and I believe it was a sad day for America when he was elected as our President.

I am at the point now where I really hope he is JUSTLY impeached so that we can try to salvage what is left behind the leadership of Mike Pence or Paul Ryan.

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I can prove where he lied about Obama spying on him.

I can prove where he was told by Obama and by others to NOT HIRE or TO REMOVE FLYNN.

I can prove he "embellished" or even flat out lied when trying to take credit for the economy with data that was collected while Obama was President (the same data that he said was "fake", he tried to use it to pat himself on the back).

At one point, wasn't HIS OWN NARRATIVE that neither he or anyone on his staff had inappropriate communications with the Russian government while he was running for President?

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And Originalist,
Had Obama shared Israeli Intel with Turkey, would you be calling for Obama's head? Or would you just limit your criticisms of Obama to his political acumen in that situation? Would it just confirm to you that Obama is a Muslim?

Because Trump did something very similar and the ramifications for what he did are HUGE!

However, the BIGGEST Intel-operation between America and Israel EVER happened while Obama was President. He signed off on it.

Of course, the conservative media just wants to paint an one-dimensional view of the relationship between America and Israel during the Obama years.

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The history books are going to record the Trump Administration as a national disgrace.

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Hypothetically speaking... let's assume that President Obama did give Turkey intel.

It's important to note that Turkey is an "ally" of ours in the region. Iran is not. Iran has sworn to destroy Israel. And, Russia and Iran are in bed together.

So, giving Turkey information is far different from giving Russia Israeli information. Russia will only hand the information over to Iran.

The United States giving Turkey information would be like Russia giving Iran information. It's expected.

Now, The United States giving Russia Israeli information is actually giving information to an enemy alliance.

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I wonder if this FACT would be considered treasonous if Obama did something even remotely close to this?

It is clear that Trump supporters think it is a-ok that he did this!


Mitt Romney was right.
Barack Obama laughed but Donald Trump shared intel.

I hope everyone who reads this realizes how serious this situation appears.

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Reminds me of a Deacon Blues quote.

He said this a thousand times about the Obama Administration.

I bet he never saw the burning Trump-truck coming!:thumbsup

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LOL

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Jermyn, unfortunately, when it comes to the mass exodus from Africa and the Middle East it IS primarily for handouts offered by Western European govenments and they admit fully that that is the case.

We brought this upon ourselves with our global interventions and removing heads of state that were brutal by our standards but kept stability for the most part in those areas.

Speaking of opportunities though...

Wanna buy some spice rub? Lol....No but seriously. ;-)

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Paul Ryan Believed That Trump Himself Has Received Money From Putin!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.2745c2ba8c4c

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It was a joke, JD! Did you read the transcript? A lot of "[laughter]" before and after McCarthy made his dumb joke.

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Your post speaks on three subjects all at once and intermingles them in a way that makes informed discussion impossible.


1) We are speaking of illegal immigration to America. Most of the illegal immigrants coming to America are not Middle Easterners or Africans. However, as seen in the past, it is very easy to "over-stay" your visa and therefore make yourself an illegal immigrant.


2) Not sure what you have seen and witnessed but the African and Middle Eastern immigrants that actually make it to America are NOT lazy and have STRONG family and social structures within their communities.


3) Removing heads of states where there human beings were being gassed, tortured, and killed has been a HALLMARK of American Foreign Policy (publically stated anyway). As the WORLD'S strongest superpower, we have never backed down from our commitment to freedom for oppressed people.


4) The problems that the southern European problems are having are due, in part, to policies that have PURPOSEFULLY stymied or even sabotaged the economic growth and political stabilities of the countries of the Middle East and the African continent.

You want what is happening there to not happen in America? Find a way to properly engage the nations of North, Central, and South America. Part of the reason why Central America is so desperately bad is because of OUR economic policies towards them in the early 1900's. I have read repeatedly that the largest population of illegal immigrants in America are not from Mexico. They are actually from Nicaragua and Guatemala-- two countries that we specifically targeted in times past to ensure that their countries remain as poo-holes.

Still, the majority of the Guatemalans and Nicaraguans that actually don't die on their journey here, are not lawbreakers outside of the laws associated with their status as illegal immigrants.

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I think it is pretty conclusive that "Obama" (administration) did spy on him.

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"Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks...This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

The remarks remained secret for nearly a year.

[Read the transcript of the conversation among GOP leaders obtained by The Post]

The conversation provides a glimpse at the internal views of GOP leaders who now find themselves under mounting pressure over the conduct of President Trump. The exchange shows that the Republican leadership in the House privately discussed Russia’s involvement in the 2016 election and Trump’s relationship to Putin, but wanted to keep their concerns secret. It is difficult to tell from the recording the extent to which the remarks were meant to be taken literally.Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks...This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

The remarks remained secret for nearly a year.

[Read the transcript of the conversation among GOP leaders obtained by The Post]

The conversation provides a glimpse at the internal views of GOP leaders who now find themselves under mounting pressure over the conduct of President Trump. The exchange shows that the Republican leadership in the House privately discussed Russia’s involvement in the 2016 election and Trump’s relationship to Putin, but wanted to keep their concerns secret. It is difficult to tell from the recording the extent to which the remarks were meant to be taken literally.
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1) Not all of the lawmakers laughed.

2) McCarthy followed up with a swear to God but this could have been one of those jokes that wasn't really a joke.

3) Ryan pledged the hearers to secrecy. I mean, it could have been a joke-- but think about it-- what if it wasn't?

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How do you baptize people?

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Obama didn't "spy" on Trump.

Investigating potential collusion with Russia (a foreign power) is not spying. That is the FBI's job!

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That's not the transcript, that's the reporter's take on what happened -- and he wasn't there! "Some?" How does the reporter, who wasn't even there, know how many actually laughed?

Your source gives you an opportunity to read the actual transcript; instead you stick with commentary from a reporter who wasn't in the room.

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Website is blocked on this computer.
I'll read it later.

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IMO opinion it would have been a worse day if Hilary had been elected.

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If Obama Shared Israeli Intel With Turkey...

...would the gravy be kosher? Or halal?

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Obama did ten times worse yet you him him a pass like he was some kind of saint.

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The history books are going to record the Obama Administration as a national disgrace.

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So, how many guys were in the room with President Trump and these fellows from Russia, to actually know for certain that he said anything to them about anything?

And which of those guys in the room thought it proper to contact a journalist for the NYT?

And if this is a matter of national or international security, why isn't there a subpoena for the NYT to bring its source forward, so this person can publicly testify against President Trump?

All President Trump confirmed is that he shared non-specific intel with the Russians for humanitarian reasons, to protect airline flight safety, and to help in the war against ISIS.

How this became "highly-sensitive, super top-secret Intel from Israel", is beyond anyone's ability to know, unless they were in the room, and heard it firsthand.

I mean, look at this by-line from www.jpost.com:

"According to reports, "a current and a former American official familiar with how the United States obtained the information" has revealed Israel was the initial source of the intelligence."

Some "current and former American official", remaining nameless, faceless, and effectively non-existent person just happened to know what President Trump did and did not say while concurrently knowing that what President Trump did and did not say, just happened to come from Israel, and that this info was "highly-sensitive, super top-secret intel"?

Why have we checked our brains at the door? Where are the critical thinking skills necessary to immediately dismiss this garbage as conjectural nonsense until concretely proven otherwise?

This isn't about our President, or my political position regarding him. That's a non-factor. What it is about is trying to speak a word of wisdom and caution. We have allowed the chief priests in the news media cry "Crucify him" to a whole lot of people before we ever heard the facts, and it's sad to me, that of all people, believers in Christ Jesus should be some of the first to go right along with it.

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If you look into it, history books are already looking quite favorably with regards to Obama. Things in the works about Trump are, well, not so favorable. lol

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https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/u...011/04/OMG.gif
What?!?! I'm shocked! I cannot believe the biased media would ever view obama favorably, but view Trump unfavorably!

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Nope.
The history books will all be re-written so that the BHO admin is the first "real" president of the US.
All preceeding ones were racist, sexist, homophobic...

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so sad, and so true

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LOL!

Awesome gif! :lol

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Ok.
Ten times worse.

Now let's quantify your ten times worse with facts.

I'll lower the bar for you.

What did President Obama DO that was just as bad or worse than Trump?

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Why didn't you respond inline to keep the pattern?

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Actual scandals as opposed to made up stories about collusion between Trump and Russia?

Fast and Furious
IRS
Benghazi

Just three of the well known scandals which happened during obama's administration.

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Fast and Furious wasn't Obama's doing-- he continued a policy that started before him, conducted by a federal agency that falls under the President-- but tying him to the day-to-day operations of the agency is not realistic.


IRS was investigated. Obama was not involved.

Benghazi happened on Obama's watch-- but he didn't deny the spending requests. He didn't deny the requests for increased security. Blame Obama by proxy? Ok, but it's not like Obama had much to do with the ENTIRE PICTURE OF FAILURE associated with Benghazi. You know this!

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Actually, it is THIS FACT that made Benghazi very difficult to pin on President Obama.

If Republicans had attempted to point one finger at Obama, they would have had 4 pointing back at them-- so they never tried very hard to make Obama's re-election about Benghazi.

And sadly, the slain Ambassador himself actually turned down an attempt from the State Department to give the outpost more funding for security less than one year (maybe even less then 4 months) before the attack.

He wanted American military forces whose loyalties could be trusted-- and that wasn't something he thought money could buy in the politically deteriorating situation of Benghazi.

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Of these three, the IRS scandal is the most egregious to me.
We will never know all of the facts, however, based upon what I know, there was an effort made by an internal government agency to influence an election.
This is traitorous activity and should have been treated as such.
However, the BHO admin was the most adept admin in modern times at cover-ups and succeeded in keeping the truth from coming out.
All my opinion, but based on extensive reading on the subject.

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As far as "made up" stories, who did Obama have to fire from his Cabinet to avoid the appearance of international impropriety?

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Note - I have seen no evidence that the BHO admin prompted the IRS actions, but they were involved in the cover-up, thus making them complicit.

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So is the chaos surrounding Trump right now is misplaced?

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Note - I would like to know your definition of the BHO admin.

I am thinking Cabinet members and direct appointees of BHO.


I am NOT thinking of career, government employees.