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Can anyone give me a single scripture where a godly man shaved?

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Besides scriptures where they did it in mourning or where God commanded it as in Ezekiel.

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this is going to be a lonely thread:chirp

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Lol it ok...I'm used to being lonely.

I posted it for this reason because the argument keeps being made to "show one scripture where a Godly woman wore pants."

The only times I can find where Godly men shaved was in extreme mourning and humbling themselves and when God commanded it as was in Ezekiel and it almost reads like what traditionally happened when a Nazarite vow ended.

With all the arguments of "gender separation" which I agree with and in a time where there is the belief of 90+ genders, and since shaving was preached as a reaction against ungodly culture such as the hippie movement, should not we react by being as gender distinct as possible by ceasing preaching against facial hair?

We harp on women who dress like men, but why aren't we harping on men who shave and look like women?

We jump on women for outward apparel but men who shave actually modify their natural form and in doing so become more like a woman.

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No movement is going to get started on AFF, brother.

Also, you would need "clout" to convince preachers, pastors, elders, etc to get on board. Otherwise, you have to look to the next generation of ministers. I doubt the no-beards position came in overnight from one person. I doubt it would change overnight from one person.

Also, a lot of people are starting to associate facial hair with being a "hipster" now, and that doesn't bode well for the beard.

:)

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Sounds like you answered your own question. LOL!

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I hope it is. Wow, I checked the thread of women's pants and it now has over 10,000 views and over 600 responses. I would like to see something new but not on the same bandwagon. So I hope you are right, Sister. God Bless.

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I thought God spoke to you and told you to shave? I thought God told you to shave and that if you didn't you were rebelling against him?? So why the change of position?

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No Biblical mandate against beards. Only personal conviction.

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The Bible has no prohibition against facial hair and no prohibition against shaving off a facial hair. Not one verse telling men they are an abomination for not having a beard or having a beard. This and the Deuteronomy 22:5 thread are like comparing lemons and bowling balls.

Now that consapente89 mentioned some who God told them to call on Norelco. I have a few stories one has to do with a Cuban brother of mine who had the biggest moustache. We were in prayer meeting and he was hit hard with the Holy Ghost. Power of God was all over him (if you don't know what I'm talking about then go to an Apostolic church and find out) we had a great prayer meeting. The next time I saw him he was clean shaven. Personally I was shocked, I looked at my wife and her eyes were as big as Kennedy half a dollars. I asked him what happened? Where was the cookie duster? He told me without blinking an eye, and told me Jesus dealt with it in the prayer meeting. Now I was puzzled because there isn't a prohibition against facial hair nor is their an admonition to have facial hair. So, I mentioned this to my pastor, and some other elders.

The issue that this brother had, had little to do with the moustache. But with pride concerning the moustache. I remember we were in a Bible study years before this event. The Bible study was about forgiveness, and self sacrifice. Well, this brother leaped up and told everyone that he would NEVER shave off his lip cover. All 50 of us looked at him and shrugged our shoulders, with Mr Spock puzzled looks. He then proclaimed "my moustache is ME man!"


I remember a older sister replying to him "well that so sweet, why don't you sit down and join us"

So many things happen to us personally on so many levels when we allow the conviction of Jesus Christ to deal with us. Jesus is our pastor and He knows how to get the job done. I'm not called to go 500 pages with Aquila, to me it is like having a comic book collection, or Hot Wheels collection or even coins. It is somewhat relaxing to a point. But you always have to keep in mind that the person you are going round and round the mulberry bush with, is not going to change their position. They're convinced, signed, sealed, and delivered.

Only Jesus can change a heart, or close it shut. I just call'em like I see'em. Someone believes Deuteronomy 22:5 is about a pagan religious ceremony? Who am I to change their mind, they have far more bigger fish to fry in their skillet then if a woman can wear a pair of seal skin pants.

2017 we are heading towards 2018. This place is sinking like proverbial Atlantis. The amount of perversion is rolling its tentacles around the throat of Christendom of this country. I will never forget the time Pastor Keith McCann made a statement which went like this, "the Russian Orthodox clergy were arguing about the length of tassels on their robes. When the Communists took over the country" At that point I realized that the amount of Christians on these forums who really care are slim to none. Flamethrowing red hot Holy Ghost services are cooling down. Prayer rooms have more brooms, buckets, then weeping and snotting. Had an amazing service today, troubled teens getting blessed by the move of the Holy Ghost. Maybe one will catch a vision and go forward. My main scope of work is my city and county. If I can help my brothers around the country or around the world. But as far as forum crusading goes we just post what we believe and fly it up the flagpole. If it gets a thumbs up then hip hip hooray. If it gets attacked then on with the show. But when all is said and done we will all have to give an account for everything we have done. If we were a help or a hindrance.

Transgender United States of America and we go 600 posts on Deuteronomy 22:5. Good God from Zion.

We did more than blow the engine on this one.

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Gabby Hayes had whiskers. Lenin had a beard!

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And Choo Choo Charlie was an engineer.

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Thank you for posting this. It helped me put things back in perspective.

:highfive

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The there is no law for or against beards for the NT Christian.

But I say unto you, there are two kinds of people in this world, those with beards...and women. Lol

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I shaved my beard but it was not out of religious conviction, my beard simply made me look like some wild eyed crazy guy. It simply did not fitted me, so no I am not against beards even though I shave every morning.

I am simply against men wearing beards that are unkempt or simply do not look good. :D

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That's right. God told me to shave and that is a PERSONAL conviction and I do shave.

I'm NOT in rebellion or seeking excuses to step outside of what God has commanded me to do.

My issue is the reasoning and logic used to preach against facial hair.

@Benincasa love your comment bro and with I could have been at that prayer meeting.

Sorry my post is a bit disjointed...long night.

The reasons other than personal conviction that I've seen for facial hair=sin...many not all seem to have little or nothing to do with scripture*except for the example given about the brother in blatently pride*

No, I'm not on any kind of crusade. With all the wet blankets and weirdos on here anything attempted to be started on here would be extenguished, smothered, picked apart, murdered from the starting line.

I've seen some of the same hateful trolling argumentative attitudes amongst other groups out on the world and it kinda saddens me to see it on display here...yeah yeah I know...you have your "reasons" and you consider yourselves as though you're mocking the modern day prophets of Ba'al, but they are your brothers, they may have different views and they may be off on the other side of the spectrum from you, but they're still all our brothers...you're all my brothers and my sisters and while the bombs and insults continue to be thrown, and you bask in your superior skills of arguing, projection and gaslighting, while you may win your argument, you are losing your brother.

Proverbs says,"A brother who is offended is harder to win than a fortified city."

If your brother is indeed taken in a fall, restore him, minister in reconciliation because he has gifts, talents, annointing that the body needs.

The only reason I'm tempted to harp on beards is the cultural attack against masculinity and the ever increasingly popular view that there are over 67 genders and for all the silly things we have used to justify preaching against facial hair*Well Disney doesn't allow beards...The homosexual wears the beard"

We have a serious attack rising up against our people and culture that the church is about to have a rude awakening with and we are going to have to cling to an anchor of Truth... real Truth and not one crafted of personal preference.


Blame this on insomnia and a upset stomach.

Bless you and may your bacon forever increase. Amen

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I'm not saying this is the case for you Brother, I think in might be true in some cases.

I think sometimes when we feel we are having a personal conviction about something, it is actually peer pressure and wanting to be in agreement with our brethren rather than an actual person conviction.

Therefore a tender sincere hearted person might feel they are having a personal conviction from God about shaving or something else because they want to be obedient to their elders, and then later, after study and scrutiny of the issue, they may find that is wasn't a personal conviction at all.

They may then still continue the practice to be in agreement with the brethren even though they might not personally agree.

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In the Evangelical Apex Network of Community churches (house churches) over the past six months God has spoken to a number of people. We saw that 2 were called by God to the mission field, 7 were called to commit to helping hands ministry in the local food bank and homeless shelters, 4 couples felt God call them to adopt.

Among Apostolics, I typically hear about God calling people to do things regarding beards, pants, makeup, jewelry, and stuff like that.

Am I missing something?

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Yes

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http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...y_2533542b.jpg

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LOL!

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I figured. Thanks for squaring me away. lol :thumbsup

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Congrats.

:ohplease That's what you read on AFF, not what's actually happening among Apostolics.

Yes. Enlarge your network. Connect to people in other Apostolic organizations. Don't cherry pick what you hear and choose to report.

Most of my family is in the UPCI. I also have a lot of friends who are active in the UPCI as well. The North American Missions program had a seminar a month or two ago where they trained and equipped a couple dozen families to establish new churches in various cities around the US. They also have regular training seminar's like the annual Harvest conference in the northeast and northwest and Equip 240 which are district NAM training events.

The Global Missions department has AIMer's in which people go to the missions fields to assist missionaries for a period of time.

The Youth Department has partnered with NAM and GM to have young people visit a North American city or foreign country to work with the church or missionary in that city/country.

My niece has been on the YD North American missions and this year went to Spain for a couple months with the YD Global missions. I know a few other young people who have used their summer to assist the NAM or GM teams.

There are people answering the calling of God each and every day.

To belittle Apostolics and claim all you typically hear God calling them to is outward standards is petty and wrong.

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In the church I attended we gave financially to a lot of UPCI causes. But no one was ever released to work on the missions fields or to start new works. And when we asked if we could loosely organize a small group to volunteer in local missions, food pantries, or shelters, we were told that since those organizations weren't Apostolic we weren't to involve ourselves.

It was a bummer.

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FPC Palm bay:

Hands for Healing International is a non-profit organization focused on Humanitarian Assistance, Disaster Relief, and Medical Missions. Headquartered in Palm Bay, Florida, Hands for Healing is an international organization that works at home and abroad to help those in need. Our goal is to one day have offices not only across the United States, but across the world as well. Until then, we are working tirelessly to send help where needed across the United States and the world.

Currently, Hands for Healing acts as first responders in times of crisis and disaster bringing supplies and manpower to areas hit by a natural disaster.

http://hands4healing.org/what-we-do/

A seriously awesome Pastor, see link below:

http://hands4healing.org/board-of-di...ers-biography/

http://hands4healing.org/board-of-directors/

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So based on your experience with one church, you belittle all Apostolics?

I attended a church briefly where the pastor tried keeping good people, instead of blessing and congratulating them on their new calling. A close friend got married and wanted to move to help the small church in his wife's city. They had prayed about it for months and he felt it was where God was calling them to go. The pastor told them that God told him they needed to stay there. He said if they left it would be rebellion. And then he told him he wanted him to sit on the platform and assist with the service.

My friend moved anyway, though a couple months later than planned. God blessed his ministry and he's done an incredible job there.

There are some Pastors who don't want to lose good people, but as a whole, people are responding to the call of God each and every day.

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:thumbsup

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That is her real facial hair.

No joke.

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No way. That's crazy. LOL

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Yes way, everyone has facial hair, it is hormones and their balance which allow what happens with it.

Same reason why some men are as weak as a child. Can't retain body muscle, get tired easily.

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All I know is that if she's looking our way, she better be investing in a razor!

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How the story on all these women go, is that they feel comfortable with their beards. If you go through each story of these women they are all about how they felt rejected by society. But now they have been embraced by accepting new society. This is how we circle the drain. These women aren't the first to have more facial hair growth than their other female counterparts. They just choose not to pluck or wax it off. One woman's growth happened after she had her son. Nothing that can't be taken care of. Sad thing is we are just stuck in a world where the circus train has crashed and everyone is wandering around aimlessly.

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:highfive:smack:happydance:thumbsup

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If that's how they are naturally, and they wish not to shave, what's the issue with just accepting them as they are? Are we saying that God makes mistakes?

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God didn't make them. God created Adam and Eve and gave them the ability to self replicate and said"Go make like bunnies...that's YOUR job now."

Then sin entered the picture and the previously perfect self replicating creation passed along it's flaws.

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Then you must also be in favor of allowing children to live with cleft lip, cleft palates.

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When people become leftist does it cause severe brain damage?

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Are you saying that sin can effect our hormonal development??? But doesn't genetics play a part in that? :eek:

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Are you really comparing facial hair on an adult to cleft lip and cleft palates in children?