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Evang.Benincasa 05-22-2017 08:59 PM

Brother Ken Raggio 4 Global Minds
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJEk...nnel=KenRaggio

Listen to the whole thing. :)

Esaias 05-23-2017 01:41 AM

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I got to 40 seconds but just couldn't go forward.

I think it is interesting how if your sources of information are primarily the mainstream news media, your interpretation of bible prophecy follows certain, um... certain lines of thought, I guess you could call it.

It's almost as if...

... nah, never mind about that. We can't rock the boat TOO much. It might upset the space time continuum or something, and cause drastic cataclysmic results...

Evang.Benincasa 05-23-2017 06:07 AM

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Come on you got to listen to the whole thing. :(

consapente89 05-23-2017 07:08 AM

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Years ago our church hosted an Endtime prophecy event as an outreach to the community. It was centered around one particular teacher and certain events that were soon to unfold involving George Bush. We had tons of sinners come to that event and not one of them got saved. None of the events we told them were going to happen actually happened. In my opinion, it may have cast some shadow on the reputable nature of our church in the minds of some who attended, however I pray not.

It was a learning point for me and I honestly feel that our church has matured past that kind of sensationalism as well. I wish all of Pentecost would stop playing the guessing game and just preach the Gospel and be led of the Holy Ghost. Give us a few Acts 5 experiences and we wont need sensationalism to put fear in people's hearts.

consapente89 05-23-2017 07:13 AM

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Hey, without a doubt, dangerous and dark times are ahead for our nation/ world. Regardless of how that fits into the scheme of Bible prophecy, its an opportunity for the Church to be a light.

I'm not looking for the anti-Christ I'm looking for Jesus.

And Benincasa....stop posting videos I thought you were a conservative! :smack:heeheehee

UnTraditional 05-23-2017 07:37 AM

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I heard one preacher say he was no longer preaching about Christ's return because when people focused on that and the possible nearness of it, they became lazy and complacent, worried only about their own selves. I cannot and will not speak for anyone else, but knowing that each day draws me closer to His return, or to my own going on with Him makes me want to do more, not less. I have my own opinions and beliefs in eschatology, which have varied form day to day ( :) ), but believing what I believe, I am not going to condemn anyone for believing a different eschatology. We all will stand before Christ, and one thing He will not say is that we did too much or took Him too seriously. Therefore, let's work to win as many as we can, and keep the waters of baptism stirred. We are in dark times, and while I do believe in days prior to Great Tribulation, I am not sure if I am right. All I know is that while it is day, while I have one more chance, while I have the opportunity to work, I am going to work, and let the chips fall where they may.

A prepared church never has to worry about the time. We are too busy working the work while it is day.

Just my opinion.

CC1 05-23-2017 09:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1484012)
Years ago our church hosted an Endtime prophecy event as an outreach to the community. It was centered around one particular teacher and certain events that were soon to unfold involving George Bush. We had tons of sinners come to that event and not one of them got saved. None of the events we told them were going to happen actually happened. In my opinion, it may have cast some shadow on the reputable nature of our church in the minds of some who attended, however I pray not.

It was a learning point for me and I honestly feel that our church has matured past that kind of sensationalism as well. I wish all of Pentecost would stop playing the guessing game and just preach the Gospel and be led of the Holy Ghost. Give us a few Acts 5 experiences and we wont need sensationalism to put fear in people's hearts.

I remember a few decades ago there was a man who was all the rage in OP circles. He claimed to have been a CIA operative and spoke about all of this inside information about that supercomputer in Belgium many Christians feared was "the Beast" back in the 70's and 80's. His stories of his life and exploits got wilder and wilder until some enterprising preacher added it all up and it would have been impossible for him to have done all he said he had done and been in all of the places he said he had been in at his age. He eventually got discredited but not before many churches heavily advertised meetings with this charlatan. Luckily there was no internet then and the mainstream media didn't care so very few folks who heard this guy ever knew it was all a scam.

Amanah 05-23-2017 09:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1484028)
I remember a few decades ago there was a man who was all the rage in OP circles. He claimed to have been a CIA operative and spoke about all of this inside information about that supercomputer in Belgium many Christians feared was "the Beast" back in the 70's and 80's. His stories of his life and exploits got wilder and wilder until some enterprising preacher added it all up and it would have been impossible for him to have done all he said he had done and been in all of the places he said he had been in at his age. He eventually got discredited but not before many churches heavily advertised meetings with this charlatan. Luckily there was no internet then and the mainstream media didn't care so very few folks who heard this guy ever knew it was all a scam.

I really dislike when people get all hyped up about the sensational, it's like they can't be satisfied with the pure and simple, like Paul preached 1 Cor 2:3, For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Monterrey 05-23-2017 09:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1484028)
I remember a few decades ago there was a man who was all the rage in OP circles. He claimed to have been a CIA operative and spoke about all of this inside information about that supercomputer in Belgium many Christians feared was "the Beast" back in the 70's and 80's. His stories of his life and exploits got wilder and wilder until some enterprising preacher added it all up and it would have been impossible for him to have done all he said he had done and been in all of the places he said he had been in at his age. He eventually got discredited but not before many churches heavily advertised meetings with this charlatan. Luckily there was no internet then and the mainstream media didn't care so very few folks who heard this guy ever knew it was all a scam.

Hey! I remember him!!!!

He had them scared into the altar!

Course when the fear was gone so were they but Heyyyyyyy!

n david 05-23-2017 09:27 AM

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There's a pastor here who was previously up north. He used to have an end time conference where he would use IB's end time material. The reports, photos and videos from the conference showed a lot of people would come and they had many get baptized and received the HG. I don't know how many were discipled and remain, but there were a lot who came in during the conference at least.

The first couple years after moving here, he would fly back up to where he used to pastor on weekends to do the same end time conference.

He tried the same kind of conference here and didn't have near the same kind of results, so I don't believe he does it anymore.

Evang.Benincasa 05-23-2017 08:21 PM

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Hey, did anyone listen to what Brother Raggio had to say?

consapente89 05-23-2017 09:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1484133)
Hey, did anyone listen to what Brother Raggio had to say?

No...youtube is on my restricted list :happydance

Evang.Benincasa 05-23-2017 09:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1484149)
No...youtube is on my restricted list :happydance

Then just listen to it from here.

:(

Esaias 05-23-2017 10:44 PM

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According to Raggio, the four horsemen of the Apocalypse are Catholicism, Communism, Capitalism, and Islam.

He identifies them as follows:

The current pope is known for wearing white, therefore catholicism is the rider on the white horse.

Communism is known for using the colour red, therefore Communism is the rider on the red horse.

Capitalism is the rider on the black horse because George Bernard Shaw once said "There are really only two flags left in the world today, the red flag of Communism and the black flag of Capitalism."

Islam is the rider on the pale horse because "pale" could be construed as greenish and Islamics often use the colour green in their flags.

Brother, I am truly sorry, but I cannot finish listening to this. Maybe I will try again tomorrow.

madras 05-24-2017 05:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1484028)
I remember a few decades ago there was a man who was all the rage in OP circles. He claimed to have been a CIA operative and spoke about all of this inside information about that supercomputer in Belgium many Christians feared was "the Beast" back in the 70's and 80's. His stories of his life and exploits got wilder and wilder until some enterprising preacher added it all up and it would have been impossible for him to have done all he said he had done and been in all of the places he said he had been in at his age. He eventually got discredited but not before many churches heavily advertised meetings with this charlatan. Luckily there was no internet then and the mainstream media didn't care so very few folks who heard this guy ever knew it was all a scam.

Did he make much earnings before being discredited?

Evang.Benincasa 05-25-2017 08:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1484012)
I wish all of Pentecost would stop playing the guessing game and just preach the Gospel and be led of the Holy Ghost. Give us a few Acts 5 experiences and we wont need sensationalism to put fear in people's hearts.

It is a big seller for the ones who come up with that stuff. You still have 4 years o go with Trump. He is supposed to be the last president of the United States.

consapente89 05-26-2017 06:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1484548)
It is a big seller for the ones who come up with that stuff. You still have 4 years o go with Trump. He is supposed to be the last president of the United States.

Maybe he will be.

But I was convinced that there would not be another presidential election after Obama, and I stated it pretty emphatically several times. Nations rise and fall. It is the course of human events.

I still believe, however, that somewhere in all of this mess, God has a sovereign plan. I also still believe that Jesus is coming again.

Sister Alvear 05-26-2017 11:05 AM

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I like Ken Raggio's material especially what he writes about prayer...

consapente89 05-26-2017 11:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1484621)
I like Ken Raggio's material especially what he writes about prayer...

I don't know what the brother said because I cannot access youtube. I have read somethings he has written that I liked. So any comments ive made on this thread are really not in response to the posted video. Sorry EB.

Sister Alvear 05-26-2017 02:12 PM

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He really believes in holiness.

Amanah 05-26-2017 03:20 PM

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6th trumpet war
all nations come against Jerusalem
Jesus comes to fight against the nations
Jews look at Jesus who they pierced
they shall mourn for him
great mourning in Jerusalem
God saves those who repent, and he fills them with his spirit
Jesus Christ sounds the last trumpet
Dead in Christ rise
Jesus comes with the Christian church to save Israel

he has Jesus coming with the Christian church to save Israel after the rapture?

Evang.Benincasa 05-26-2017 07:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1484565)
Maybe he will be.

But I was convinced that there would not be another presidential election after Obama, and I stated it pretty emphatically several times. Nations rise and fall. It is the course of human events.

I still believe, however, that somewhere in all of this mess, God has a sovereign plan. I also still believe that Jesus is coming again.

There is a street preacher down here in the city who I call Captain Cave Man. He calls me legalist, Jesus Only, tells me that I'm going to burn in hell because I don't believe in the Trinity, or polygamy for the New Covenant church. Anyway, he had a huge sign saying that Barrack Obama would be the last President, there would never be another election. Well, after the election he was preaching up a storm. When I walked by and noticed his sign was gone about Obama. He had a healthy crowd around him. So, I got through the crowd, and got his attention. His eyes got as big as dinner dishes. I asked him, "where's the sign?" He took his Bible and shoved it back in his back pack and walked off.

I haven't seen him since the election. Maybe he got raptured?

mfblume 05-30-2017 10:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1484681)
There is a street preacher down here in the city who I call Captain Cave Man. He calls me legalist, Jesus Only, tells me that I'm going to burn in hell because I don't believe in the Trinity, or polygamy for the New Covenant church. Anyway, he had a huge sign saying that Barrack Obama would be the last President, there would never be another election. Well, after the election he was preaching up a storm. When I walked by and noticed his sign was gone about Obama. He had a healthy crowd around him. So, I got through the crowd, and got his attention. His eyes got as big as dinner dishes. I asked him, "where's the sign?" He took his Bible and shoved it back in his back pack and walked off.

I haven't seen him since the election. Maybe he got raptured?

:shockamoo

peter83 11-02-2017 02:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1483961)

I love him?
But anyway i though you are Preterist!

Michael The Disciple 11-03-2017 01:37 AM

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Preachers need to realize they need not figure out every exact detail of what is coming. That leaves them open for failure and humiliation. When Pastor Ken teaches on post trib rapture only, and does not try to nail down all the surrounding events he does a great job.

peter83 11-03-2017 02:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1508897)
Preachers need to realize they need not figure out every exact detail of what is coming. That leaves them open for failure and humiliation. When Pastor Ken teaches on post trib rapture only, and does not try to nail down all the surrounding events he does a great job.

AMEN!

Sister Alvear 11-03-2017 05:35 AM

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I like many of his articles and believe him to be a real christian man...of course I do believe the church will go through tribulation...however I hope I am wrong....

peter83 11-03-2017 09:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1508906)
I like many of his articles and believe him to be a real christian man...of course I do believe the church will go through tribulation...however I hope I am wrong....

Amen.Are you attend to a post trib believing church?

derAlte 11-03-2017 10:30 AM

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Years ago, I had communication with Bro. Raggio and at that time he held to a Pre-Wrath position as described back in the 1980s by such men as Marvin Rosenthal and a guy named Van Kampen. Has Bro. Raggio changed his view since then? If not, can Bro. Raggio be technically called a post-trib guy since the Pre-Wrath position states the rapture happens before the Sixth Trumpet War?

peter83 11-03-2017 10:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by derAlte (Post 1508959)
Years ago, I had communication with Bro. Raggio and at that time he held to a Pre-Wrath position as described back in the 1980s by such men as Marvin Rosenthal and a guy named Van Kampen. Has Bro. Raggio changed his view since then? If not, can Bro. Raggio be technically called a post-trib guy since the Pre-Wrath position states the rapture happens before the Sixth Trumpet War?

It is an other thing the "tribulation" that come from Antichrist to Christian church and an other thing the Wrath of the Lord that takes place after the 7th trumpet and the rapture, and is against Antichrist and his followers.

Sister Alvear 11-03-2017 01:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peter83 (Post 1508958)
Amen.Are you attend to a post trib believing church?

My husband believes the church will go through tribulation but he dow not make it a point of fellowship...

peter83 11-03-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1508967)
My husband believes the church will go through tribulation but he dow not make it a point of fellowship...

Μe too.

Steve Epley 11-03-2017 03:38 PM

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Elder Raggio writes some good stuff. We don’t agree on end time events.

Esaias 11-03-2017 03:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1508967)
My husband believes the church will go through tribulation but he dow not make it a point of fellowship...

Does the Bible make it a point of fellowship?

Michael The Disciple 11-03-2017 03:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1508980)
Does the Bible make it a point of fellowship?

Yes as a matter of fact if very expressly does.

Think carefully about this situation Paul is addressing. Note that which is in bold.

2 Thessalonians 1-5


1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Paul is teaching them to not allow themselves TO BE DECEIVED by those who were teaching Christ COULD COME before the man of sin was revealed.

So was he not making it a point of fellowship when he gave the command to not allow anyone to DECEIVE you about this very topic?

Esaias 11-03-2017 04:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1508986)
Yes as a matter of fact if very expressly does.

Think carefully about this situation Paul is addressing. Note that which is in bold.

2 Thessalonians 1-5


1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Paul is teaching them to not allow themselves TO BE DECEIVED by those who were teaching Christ COULD COME before the man of sin was revealed.

So was he not making it a point of fellowship when he gave the command to not allow anyone to DECEIVE you about this very topic?

Sounds like the apostle was stating those who teach Christ's coming as being imminent, without the revealing of the man of sin occurring first, were "deceivers". Coupled with what else the Bible says about deceivers, it looks like pre-trib rapture teaching is categorically denied a place in the apostolic church.

Michael The Disciple 11-03-2017 04:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1508987)
Sounds like the apostle was stating those who teach Christ's coming as being imminent, without the revealing of the man of sin occurring first, were "deceivers". Coupled with what else the Bible says about deceivers, it looks like pre-trib rapture teaching is categorically denied a place in the apostolic church.

Exactly!:highfive

Sister Alvear 11-03-2017 06:43 PM

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THAT IS NOT my decision who we fellowship..I am the wife..

peter83 11-03-2017 11:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1508987)
Sounds like the apostle was stating those who teach Christ's coming as being imminent, without the revealing of the man of sin occurring first, were "deceivers". Coupled with what else the Bible says about deceivers, it looks like pre-trib rapture teaching is categorically denied a place in the apostolic church.

Yes.

Sean 11-04-2017 06:38 AM

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The Church is only found on earth in the first 3 chapters, right?....


Revelation 4King James Version (KJV)

4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.



Think about it awhile.


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