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I have a very general question...

For those of you that think what is said at baptism is of utmost importance, I would really like to know your basis.

I absolutely believe baptism is essential according to the Word. However, I do not see a single time where there are specific words said at the time of baptism as is the practice in the church today.

And for those that believe "Jesus name" baptism is the only way, why is it not the same as "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"? If they're the same thing, does it really matter? Would Jesus turn away a believe because the person that baptized them said the wrong words?

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because Jesus is the name of the father John 5:43
Jesus is the name of the son Matthew 1:21
Jesus is the name of the Spirit John 14:26
All power is given to Jesus Matthew 28:18
There is no other name under heaven given among men for salvation Acts 4:12
Do all in the name of Jesus Col 3:17
Church was purchased with the blood of Jesus Acts 20:28
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins Hebrews 9:22
Baptism in Jesus name is for remission of sin Acts 2:38
the disciples of Jesus baptized in Jesus name in the book of Acts, Acts 2, Acts 8, Acts 10

We can't change the Apostles doctrine:
Paul said, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8).

Jesus said to cast out devils in his name as we read baptism is done in his name. When we read about people actually casting devils out they invoke the name. Go figure.

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You might try using the analogy of a check. It goes like this: A man is a father because he has children; a son because he has parents; a husband because he has a wife. Each of these titles pertains to a particular relationship in his life. Now if this man were to write you a check for $10,000.00 and sign it father, son, and husband, would the bank cash that check? No! There are many men who are a father, a son, and a husband. What designates this man in particular is his name. By simply signing his name on a check he can transfer money to you. The authority to do so is in his name.

'There is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved' (Acts 4:12)

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AMEN ! :thumbsup

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Jesus doesn't "turn away believers" because of "technicalities". Rather, believers are those who follow Jesus according to the faith and practice of the apostles. The apostles baptised in the name of the Lord. How do you perform an official act "in the name of Jesus" that is designed to signify the believer's identification with Jesus Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection, as well as signify the washing away of sins by the merits of Jesus Christ, as well as signify the believer's entrance into the community of disciples of Jesus Christ - without actually invoking the name of Jesus Christ?

Acts 2:21, Acts 22:16, and Romans 10:9 and 13 show that the one seeking salvation from the Lord is to call upon his Name, which is done in baptism as per Acts 22:16. However, disciples who perform baptism are to perform them in the Name (Matthew 28:19, Acts 8:16). Those who call upon the Name of the Lord are those of whom it is said the Lord's Name is "upon them" (Acts 15:17, James 2:7), and the Lord's Name is upon them by the invocation of the Name upon them performed by the Lord's representatives (Num 6:27).

So then it is the biblical pattern that those who come to the church to be baptised are to call upon his Name, and are to have His Name called upon them by the church (ie by the one baptising). The two go together: the individual's faith and public confession of the Lord, and the church's official act of admitting said person into the community of disciples (see also Matthew 18:18).

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:happydance

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:bliss

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The Apostles did miracles in the name of Jesus, not in the name of the father
The Apostles cast out devils in the name of Jesus, not in the name of the Son
The Apostles did many things in the name of Jesus, not in the name of the Holy Spirit.

It was always in the name of Jesus.

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Ok, now that you just had a bunch of posters give you a good amount of answers. Can you or do you baptize people without saying a word? If a tree falls in a backyard and everyone is asleep in the house. Did the tree make any noise when it fell? Do men all have God's name because we are fathers, and sons and have a Spirit? Do women not have God's name because they are mothers, daughters? Does the refrigerator light stay on when you shut the door? If you were to walk to New York from Colombia would you be tired?

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We need to be careful about treating the name of Jesus as a kind of talisman or charm, like it's a mantra, or that just by saying it, it, that is, the name, and not the One who bears the name, has power.

We read in Hebrews 1:3 that Jesus by Himself purged us of our sins. Revelation 1:5 reads that Jesus washed us from our sins in His own blood.

When someone is to be immersed, it's not simply vocally calling out the name Jesus that means anything. Lots of folks invoke the name Jesus, and get nowhere with the Lord, such as the seven sons of Sceva.

Rather, when we call out, it's not to call out the name Jesus, it's to call upon the One who bears the name Jesus. By calling out His name, we are actively summoning Him to the occasion, petitioning Him to purge the repentant believer of his or her sins by washing that repentant believer of his or her sins in His own blood.

So, if no one is actually calling out to Jesus to come and be a part of the immersion, and do what He does when a repentant believer is immersed, which is remit sins and seal with the Holy Spirit, what makes us think He's just going to casually show up just for the fun of it?

You're on a 24 foot ladder cleaning out your gutters in November, and a strong gust of wind destabilizes your ladder and you fear you're going to fall. You cry out "Jesus!".

Do you want the name to do some special trick to keep you from falling, or do you want Jesus of Nazareth, the Man from Galilee, to supernaturally reach into what's happening, to stop you from falling? You want the Person who bears the name, and not merely the name without the Person.

Same with Biblical New Covenant immersion, and much else besides. The first is proper Biblical etiquette at an immersion. The second is mysticism and superstitiousness.

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Nobody answered this question:

And for those that believe "Jesus name" baptism is the only way, why is it
not the same as "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"?

If they're the same thing, does it really matter?

Would Jesus turn away a believer because the person
that baptized them said the wrong words?

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I answered that. But let's be clearer: Saying what Jesus said to do is not the same as doing what Jesus said to do.

Do you honor Mom and Dad by saying " Honor Mom and Dad"? Or by actually doing it?

Those who hear but don't actually do, deceive themselves.

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1 Cor. 1:12-13

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In a heart beat. He wouldn't only turn them away, He would send them into the deepest location in the abyss.

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:highfive

Paul pushed that their was a name in order to have the right leadership authority.

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Well....ok....don't make it an attack on me personally....
Me and my family are baptized in Jesus name.

I was just asking a question people have asked me often.

So....if the preacher says the wrong words, even though the ones baptized are in good faith, they will go to hell.

Well I guess that would send roughly 90% of the Christian community to hell and only United Pentecostals will be saved.

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How about this "enter 10% in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and 90% there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and 10% there be that find it."

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Yup! I agree.

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Ultimately, it is entirely up to God as to if He will honor the faith of an individual who is baptized under the traditional triune formula or not. However, we must stand firm and without compromise... the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And therefore, so do we. If one desires to be baptized in the same manner as the seen in the New Testament, they will desire to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. All should be admonished to search the Scriptures and to make their calling and election sure.

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Bro, that is political psychobabble. Sorry God won't accept anything He preached against. God isn't going to pull a fast one on us, and let people through who did it wrong. Thank God that He isn't you, and He isn't me.
The whole Post Modern Society and your social liberalism of wanting to be nicer than Jesus takes doctrine and throws it to the wind.

You see this is how psychobabble confuses everyone including the individual who is involved in using it. They make statements like "God is ultimately in control, BUT" To say God ultimately has the power to change everything in mid flight, is humanistic confusion. In their attempt to make everyone happy. Yet, your posting that God ultimately can change and let Jim Jones, and David Moses Berg into heaven is compromise. So, you introduce us to God the compromise, and then tell us we are to stand firm and not compromise?
Then you wonder why people shake their head when they read your material.



You would of done a better job by not being vanilla and one dimensional. By just saying the above, instead of the Post Modernist Disclaimer.

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Yes, Aquilla, you might end up in hell.

:-) ;-)

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He probably get kicked out for wanting to have everyone to receive drops of water on their tongues.

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some of us are not United Pentecostals. :D

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I teach, preach and practice baptism in the name of Jesus (Yeshua), but I am also of the view that Ultimately, it is entirely up to God as to if He will honor the faith of an individual who is baptized under the traditional triune formula or not. :highfive

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Where was Jesus ever called Yeshua in the New Testament?

Oh, that's right the invisible Hebrew New Testament.

2,000 years of Iesous, Iesus, and Jesus and then the 19th century He gets a another name so people can feel more Jewish.

https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http...5g&w=600&h=292

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The Bible was written by jewish writers,
The old and new testament saints were jewish
Yeshua was a jewish man, so no his real name was not some Greek or Latin name. :foottap

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I'm Italian, I'm typing this post, this post is in English.
I have young people in our church family. They are Spanish, they only speak English. Jesus talks to a leader of the highest court in Jerusalem. His name is of Greek origin, but the man was a Judiean. Phillip was an apostle, his name is of Greek origin, but he was a Judean. Said all that to say this, the first century Judah had been under Gentile occupation for literally hundreds of years. While the whole He was a Jew argument is supposed to make everyone shut up, it doesn't. Because it creates more questions instead of settling the issue. The New Testament was written entirely in Greek. Jesus and His apostles quote from Aramaic Targums and the Greek LXX. Jesus specifically uses the LXX Isaiah scroll when He reads it at His hometown synagogue in Galilee of the GENTILES. Jesus was taken to Hellenized Egypt as a child. The name Iesous appears in the Greek LXX hundreds of years before the birth of Christ.

You guys have only started this Yeshua, Yahshua and Yehoshua name game since the 1930s? Before that everyone and their cousin used Jesus? Or whatever language they spoke form of Jesus?

In the attempts to sound more Jewish, you all only go back to the Middle Ages.
Which is the form of Judaism which is practiced by Rabbinical Jews today.

His name is Jesus and we call Him Jesus.

We have not one micro piece of any New Testament written in Hebrew dating to the time 2nd to 3rd centuries. Writing a New Testament manuscript in Hebrew would of been futile. Since the document was to go out through the whole known world. Especially to the Diaspora Judeans. :D

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That is the illustration Marvin Hicks used to use in his debates with trinitarians back in the 70's.