Help! Tormented dreams
 

I need some spiritual advice. I have a problem (unwanted dreams) I have been suffering from for about 15 years. They don't happen all the time but enough to cause me distress and affects my relationships with certain ppl and the way I view myself at times. I cannot and will not tell the details of these dreams but just know they are utterly awful!! I feel so guilty upon waking up and hate myself from dreaming such awful things. And I feel so helpless becuase i can't control my dreams. I want these dreams to stop! But don't know what to do. I.. am also doing things in my sleep that I am not aware of (husband has seen me do and has told me upon waking) even after he tells me I still have no memory of doing.

Also want to note that in my daily life I do not engage in sinful viewing of any sort.
I was told that there isn't a problem in which the Bible doesn't have an answer... But I have searched and cannot find any issues with being tormented with awful dreams. Can someone guide me?

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If its the same dream involving different people.. buts if its the same dream with the same people that may be an issue.

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Hi ModestMama I will be praying with you and I have a few thoughts

I would recommend memorizing a passage of scripture that you can meditate on and recite while you are falling asleep.

Psalm 4:8
Psalm 3:4-5
Psalm 27:1
Proverbs 3:24
Isaiah 41:13
Philippians 4:6-7
Hebrews 4:16
John 14:27
1 Peter 5:7

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Regarding guilt: Do not feel guilty unless you are intentionally encouraging that which is wrong. If dreams, thoughts, etc are unwanted, then guilt is not in the picture.

A lot of times our mind gets fixated on something. We don't want that, but we find that the harder we try not to think about something, the more stubborn that unwanted thought seems to become. We do not banish unwanted thoughts by willing them to go away, but by getting our mind focused on something else, other thoughts.

Dreams can be affected by our approach to them. They may indicate something is lacking in our waking life, and the mind overcompensates by dreaming things, then we are shocked at those dreams, then we fret about them, which makes them more of a "big deal" and thus empowers and energizes them, keeping them around. Its a vicious cycle.

What I have found helpful in dealing with undesired states of mind is to simply decide that the thoughts, etc are no longer tolerated. To believe the Word which declares God has given us a SOUND MIND. If a dream occurs that upon waking has you upset, don't fret about it but rather pray about it. And pray confidently and authoritatively that EVERY THOUGHT is now captive to the obedience of Christ.

Even if you don't "feel" like it. Because the Word is Truth, our feelings are transient, but the Word is forever settled. Your situation WILL get conformed to the Word and promises of God. But you have to believe it FIRST, before you see it.

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Sis...it sounds like you are having symptoms of what is called a "Parasomnia" Sleep walking and talking in your sleep would be examples of this.

Look I know you're feeling ashamed and embarrassed but I deal with the same thing and I had to do quite a bit of research on it to figure out what it was.

Its really crazy waking up and hearing about things you did in your sleep that you dont remember. Luckily I have a wife who is very understanding and who has a awesome sense of humor.

There could be many triggers for your symptoms, stress and lack of sleep are some of mine...it causes different parts of the brain to fire off when they shouldnt.

Just dont let the enemy guilt you into feeling like you're a bad person or you're some kinda weirdo ok?

You're not.

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MM,

My heart goes out to you sister. Things like this can be truly unsettling. You indicated that you've experienced these unwanted dreams for nearly 15 years and that you just want them to stop and that you don't know what to do. I assume that you've prayed about this for some time and that they keep happening.

Everything others have posted above is excellent advice and consideration. But I'm going to go way out on a limb here based on several points in your original post. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But if you feel something in your gut about what I'm about to say, please heed your gut.

I was involved in a local deliverance ministry for nearly two years. A few things you mentioned in your post caused me some concern because those things are also signs of spiritual oppression. If it is a spiritual oppression, and you've already prayed and rebuked it and yet it continues, there might be a stronghold to address before it can be permanently removed. Uprooting the stronghold could be as simple as getting rid of an item connected in some way to the occult or an old relationship/lifestyle. Or it could be more complicated. Once the stronghold is removed, the spirit has no anchor and must leave upon command.

Thoughts?

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Thank you !! I am writing these down in my journal now!

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Oh Praise God! Your words have already strengthen my faith and now feel hope of combating this once and for all. Thank you !

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You have hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what I struggle with after these dreams is I feel like a weirdo and like such a horrible person even though I know I it's not my fault. But I do feel hopeful now that I have at least a starting point on conqueries this.

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Your welcome. Years ago I battled with a similar situation. Except my dreams happened while I was wide awake, which created some rather unpleasant situations for me to say the least. But through prayer, fasting, and perseverance in the promises of God, my mind was healed. He will do the same for you. Hang in there!

Adding you to my prayer list.

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Brother I feel you are right path. These dreams are not exact, sometimes are different ppl involved. BUT I know exactly when they started, there was a situation in my life
I endured around the time they started. But they have since then involved different ppl. And I wasn't aware of the "sleep walking " type behovior till this morning. Although I never leave my bed.
When I am not dreaming of thsee horrible dreams. I am dreaming of being used of delivering ppl of certain spirits. These dreams have started about a year ago around the same time that I had endured a very similar situation of the situation that happened 15 years ago! Only this time I wasn't in the world I was Spirit-filled and a strong relationship with God and come against the devil in a mighty way I know this sounds crazy but during a fasting and prayer time I had actually heard him audibly laughing at me and instantly Fear wanted to come up in my heart but I stood bold and rebuked him. during also this situation my pastor had called me and my family up to the front and told us that we were under a Spirit of witchcraft attack. I guess I'm saying all this to say that I strongly feel like this is a spiritual attack I kept having dreams for the past year about delivering people and praying in her confirmation 7 I really felt like a lord wanted to use me and I Deliverance type Ministry but I just think there's something there that needs to come off first there's some Spirit has attached itself to me in a certain area that's causing these unwanted dreams. By the way when he my pastor that is told me of this we went home and search our entire house there was a couple books like that were negative in spirit that were in my attic that was from one of our oldest daughters and after throwing those out the dreams are still there and as far as I know there's nothing else in the our house I don't have any relationship with anyone else other than my family and church folks and my husband I don't talk to old friends I wasn't really very popular anyway didn't have any friends
I'm very particular about what we watch, even the show 7th Heaven is not allowed becuase of the high lus drive in the kids. And nothing scary at all or with Language. so I don't really know what it could be. could it be attached to an emotional issue that I endured back then and now have endured even recently in the past year?

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I want to add as I was discussing of this with my husband just now A Memory came back to me of a dream I had when I was a very young girl about 8 or 9 it was one particular dream I kept having and it was a sinful dream and it was unwanted but I'm not sure where it came from. it's the same Spirit as these other dreams but different scenarios and different people different actions but still the same Spirit just a different type of The Same Spirit if that makes any sense. Hmm. But he ones that starts 15+ years were tied to a particular person most times.

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It sounds like you are saying that something you were exposed to in your childhood (maybe a spirit an adult in your life was entertaining) is still affecting you?

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Yes perhaps? Or generational spirits? Not 100% sure but trying trying to figure this out.

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whatever the source, the weapons of our warfare are still the same:
Prayer, fasting, praise, worship, quoting scripture.

2 Cor 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

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Awesome testimony. Praise Jesus!

It could be. If the dreams reflect the circumstance you dealt with 15 years ago and what transpired around a year ago, it's possible. It's easier when a stronghold is related to a physical item or items like something from the past, something involving the occult, or even a family heirloom. On rare occasions, I've heard of photographs being a stronghold wherein a spirit establishes an anchor in one's life. For example, the photo of an ex-lover or demonized ex-spouse. It's good to get rid of ALL of it.

When the stronghold is emotional it becomes more difficult. An emotional stronghold can be related to some unconfessed sin (including an unconfessed affection towards a given sin that is already confessed and repented of), or what some folks call a "soul-tie" (an unbroken emotional/spiritual connection with an ex-lover, spouse, or one-time partner). These soul-ties can serve as points of entry for spiritual oppression if the other individual is demonized or was (or is now) involved in the occult. The soul-tie must be broken. And this takes us back into any possible photograph or item of sentimentality.

There is also an outside possibility. Although, I know it seems outlandish to the natural mind. Jesus said,

Luke 10:19
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Yes, the enemy has limited spiritual power. This power is often used by witches, psychics, mediums, and others in their spiritual work. And yes, they can attempt to cast spells (curses, hexes, and evil spiritual constructs) on believers. It is possible that a friend or family member has placed a hex or curse upon you. But these are often marked with sudden onset and the general sense of "now something just isn't right". They also tend to have little effect other than being a nuisance. If this has troubled you for roughly 15 years, it most likely isn't originating from a curse or hex.

There are also spirits attached to locations. Sometimes a person or family will move into a home in which an evil spirit (or spirits) has taken up residence. They may not have any indication of the spirit's presence until the spirit subtly begins to oppress the individual over a period of weeks, months, or years. Sometimes people rack their brains trying to figure out when their oppression began and suddenly they realize... it was weeks or months after moving into their home.

These spirits are often resident because of the behaviors and/or practices of the previous occupants. At any rate, such a house needs to be cleansed. And that can be a time consuming process if one wants to be CERTAIN that the spirit is removed. The gift of discernment is of much value in such circumstances, because with this gift the spirit can be identified and removed immediately whether it shows itself or not.

A more remote possibility is a generational curse or spirit that has harassed your family for generations and you're just next in line.

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:thumbsup

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If one wants to consider a spiritual oppression it might be:

- A spirit with a stronghold from the past.
- A spirit involved via a soul-tie.
- A spirit in residence.
- A generational spirit.

Or it could be a combination of the above. Spirits don't always work alone.

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All of that mess was broken when she was baptized in Jesus' name and filled with the Holy Ghost!

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amen!

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Many Apostolics will testify that they didn't even begin to recognize demonic attack and/or oppression from strongholds, soul-ties, spirits in their homes, or generational spirits until AFTER they were born again and posed a threat to entrenched spiritual enemies. In fact, most will tell you that before they were saved, they weren't even aware of these things. When Jesus moves in, it often provokes evil spirits, and the stakes actually increase because these demons want their captives back.

In fact, one typically becomes more aware of, and encounters more, spiritual warfare after they're saved than before.

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Try to keep in mind, deliverance ministers are cut from a different cloth than your average minister. They typically aren't pastors, and in some cases, they aren't even preachers. Their ministry is spiritual warfare. They live to confirm the existence of spirits, cast out the devils, and give all the honor and glory to Christ for the victory over Hell itself. They are the spiritual Special Forces. They don't just go into your house, pray a prayer of rebuke, bless the home, and go out to eat after telling you to call them if there are any more problems. If the gift of discernment doesn't quickly reveal the spirit, a deliverance minister will schedule an all night prayer meeting in your house and force the spirit to manifest (by agitating it through praise and worship) and THEN cast it out, leaving no doubt that it was real and that it is actually gone. Then they will bless the house. They live for that level of confrontation. They will then journal what happened and call it a day.

It's really intense stuff.

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Yes I wouldnt imagine any thing less. I have been reading books on deliverance. I would like to continue this conversation with you more on deliverance ministry, if that's ok?

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It's fine with me, Sis. I was only involved for a while. It got a bit intense and other issues began erupting in my life that caused me to step away. I'd be surprised if everything that I went through personally wasn't in some way connected. My life went off the tracks. But, hey, that happens. There are a number of deliverance ministers who have paid a high price for serving on the front lines. You get up, dust yourself off, keep moving, and you'll be fine.

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Command the enemy to leave your home in Jesus Christ's name, and command him to stop infiltrating your mind.

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:thumbsup

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Yes sir :)

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For a long time now, I've come to understand the church to be like a network, each member directly connected to the next and the next and so on, through the Holy Spirit. I've even experienced and perceived the feeling of spiritual attachment given by the Holy Spirit, to other saints.

Each saint then, is a node, or hub, through which other spiritual connections are made. As such, we children of light become beacons of light for each other, and for the lost. The Lord draws all people to Himself, and those who obey Him by receiving the Gospel and standing firm in their faith, do so when the Lord immerses such people in the church through the Holy Spirit.

For this reason, God uses the Church as the means whereby the Gospel is preached, the Word of God is taught, souls are saved, and eternal life is found.

Therefore, as the Lord draws all people to Himself, people who are lost, afraid, in darkness, living in sin and bondage to their flesh and in many cases, to evil spirits, it's no wonder that these people, as they find themselves called by the Lord to salvation, come into contact with saints in the Body.

The devil knows that the church is the pillar and ground of the truth, and for someone to receive this truth means that person is made free by the Son of God, since God's Word is Truth, and continuing in that Word is how Jesus not only makes, but also keeps us free.

What I'm saying is, like bugs and insect drawn to light, it's not uncommon for spirits and whatever else there may be, to be drawn to us, too.

If the enemy can either 1.) Keep a sinner away from the Body of Christ, or 2.) Keep the Body of Christ from fulfilling its call to evangelize the world, he can succeed in taking more sinner to hell.

By attempting to short-circuit a saint, the devil keeps the Gospel hidden. He will try to get a saint so worked up over a distraction or issue that they cannot properly minister to the lost, because they become so inwardly focused on themselves.

Dreams can be troubling, even hard or shocking. It comes with the territory of being spiritually alive in Christ. As a node of the Holy Spirit network that is the church, and in being a Light-House beacon for those who are still dead in trespasses, it's completely normal for all kinds of spiritual activity to make blips on your radar. But that's all they are, unless you buy into what the devil is selling: a distraction meant to make you lose course so your light doesn't shine the way God wants it to.

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This is a photo of a seine net used for fishing in the Sea of Galilee. These are the kinds of nets Simon and Andrew and John and James used. 1st century fishing in Galilee was not done with reel and rod.

The church is like this net, and we are fitly framed together to bring in the catch of souls the Lord intends to give us. This is what I mean when I say that saints in the Body of Christ are like nodes or hubs--it's where each piece of the seine net of God is tied and knotted together.

https://ferrelljenkins.files.wordpre...70-t.jpg?w=500

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That's a beautiful analogy. Thank you for your reassuring and kind words Bro.

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You're welcome, Sis.

Do you remember when Jesus finds James and John and Simon and Andrew and calls them, telling them "I will make you fishers of men", what they were doing at the time?

They were cleaning and mending their nets. These large seine nets catch many fish, but they also catch other things, useless things, damaging things, things that don't serve any purpose or profit to the fisherman who use them.

These things have to be plucked out, cut out, washed off, and etc., and then, if the net has been at all damaged, the net needs to be repaired before it can be used again.

So, if the church really is like a seine net, there is going to be all kinds of detritus and debris that makes its way into the net and gets tangled up in the nodes where each piece of netting is knotted together. It's a natural part of what the church/net is used for by the Lord.

So when something comes your way, don't be surprised. It's part of going out into the sea that is the world in an attempt to land a catch and bring lost souls into the Kingdom of God.

Therefore, allow the Lord and His ministry to help pluck or cut out and wash you of any of these damaging, useless things, just as Simon and Andrew and James and John did with their nets.

Because for the most part, dreams are useless. Too much stock is placed in them, sometimes. God used Jeremiah to ask "What is the chaff compared to the wheat"? He was speaking about dreams versus the Word of the Lord. Most dreams are simply chaff, and like chaff, can be collected up and thrown into the fire, without further concern.

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I thought the following might be of value, since we were talking deliverance from evil spirits. When encountering these things Christians get afraid. There is nothing to fear if you have the Holy Ghost and understand the authority of the name and the power of the blood. Evil spirits are typically a nuisance. However, their activity can escalate into various problems. These fall into two primary categories (some break it down even more, but I don't find that to be useful). There is demonic oppression and demonic possession. These are the best definitions of each that I found:

1.) Demonic Oppression - Demonic oppression is the work of evil spiritual forces that urge us to sin, to deny God's word, to feel spiritually dead, and to be in bondage to sinful things. This oppressive work is performed by demons, which are fallen angels who resist God. They war against God, against God's people, and against unbelievers as well. Their goal is to bring as many people as possible into rebellion against God and condemnation in hell.

Demonic oppression could be experienced in various ways:

•Physical ailments such as sleeplessness, nightmares, strong anxiety, self-mutilation, addictions, and physical illness.
•Spiritual deadness that includes apathy and anger towards God, interest in false religious systems.
•Emotional upheaval such as regular outbursts of anger, high and low emotional levels, self-justification, fear, hopelessness, abnormal fixations, etc.
•Financial difficulties such as constant and unusual financial pressures. Sometimes numerous things go wrong all very quickly and it causes us great financial strain.

2.) Demonic Possession - Demonic Possession is when a demon enters and takes over the physical and mental capabilities of a victim, taking the soul and will captive. Satan acts through the victim without the victim's consent.

Signs of demonic possession can include anything listed under oppression but will also demonstrate all or some of the following:

•Extreme change in personality and/or identity.
•Loss of memory.
•The use of unknown human languages (xenoglossia).
•Total loss of control.
•Obsession with violence and/or perversion.
•Blasphemous rage.
•Violent aversion to that which is holy (Scripture, pastors, religious symbols, and church gatherings).
•Suicidal ideation.

I do not believe that a born again believer can be possessed. However, I've known born again believers to suffer from oppression. Full blown demonic possession is rather rare and is generally seen among unbelievers or those who follow the Christian tradition but are not truly born again. Demonic possession is something often associated with false religions and occult practices. So, you'll typically find it there.

Once a spirit is identified it can be cast out at the verbal command of a believer who is filled with the Holy Spirit and operating under the authority of the name of Jesus. We were taught to plead the blood of Jesus over ourselves and against any evil spirit because it renders them powerless. Some bind the spirit in the name of Jesus and then cast it out. This also renders them powerless. But I've seen a simple command issued by a man or woman of God send spirits packing without much resistance at all from the spirit. They really can't resist very long. It's normally over within minutes.

I've only encountered a person who I'm certain was "possessed" once, and it was only in passing. I was taking some Microsoft classes for my MCSA and on this particular day I had to take the bus due to car trouble. When preparing to board the bus home I passed a thin black woman who was totally bald. As she passed me she turned and screamed at the top of her lungs like she was being stabbed or something. I immediately turned to see what was going on. She took her finger nails and scratched two long scratch marks down the middle of her forehead and started screaming and pointing at me, saying, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and void and darkness was over the face of the deep. PRAISE THE DARKNESS! PRAISE THE DARKNESS! MY LORD IS THE DARKNESS!" I had stopped and turned to face her when she first screamed because I thought she might be hurt. So, she was within just three or four feet of me screaming this stuff at the top of her lungs as we stood right next to the bus. I'll be honest, it really scared me. I walked backwards to get some distance between us and quickly turned and boarded my bus. She continued to scream profanities and blasphemies all conjumbled with Bible verses as the bus I was on pulled away and drove off. The people on the bus with me were looking out the window and as we pulled away they were shaking their heads and calling her crazy. I sat there quietly. I knew it was a devil. I felt sick and totally drained. As soon as I got home I dropped my bag by the door and passed out on the couch for a couple hours. Just those few short seconds had left me emotionally and physically exhausted. I told my wife about it and we prayed and pled the blood over us and our apartment. We put on some worship music, made dinner, and went to bed early. The next day I felt fine. I've known a few people that I thought "might" be possessed because of erratic behavior. But I think that woman was the only truly "possessed" person I've ever encountered.

Hind sight being 20/20, I wish I would have had the wherewithal to cast the devil out in Jesus name right there next to that bus. I was just so taken off guard and I wasn't going to miss my bus and be stranded with this lady. lol

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Oppression, possession, whatever. Doesn't matter. That demarcation does not exist in the scripture. The people are daimonizomai.

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The symptoms of demonic oppression can be rather extensive. Matt Burris, our team leader, had these printed on a sheet of paper as part of a small packet he'd give people who inquired about deliverance:

Have you had any of the following experiences?

1. Noticing a presence as in someone watching you.
2. A heaviness or fearfulness in a certain room of your home.
3. Sensing a cold spot in a room or cold feeling on part or all of your physical body.
4. Feeling someone touch you when you are all alone or no one nearby.
5. A burning sensation at the upper back just below the nape of your neck, potentially accompanied by the feeling of tingling.
6. Sensing frightening Shadows from the corner of your eyes.
7. Behavior and personality changes.
8. A loss of self-esteem and/or self-confidence.
9. Recurrent or frequent nightmares, such as unwanted sexual experiences, being raped, tormented, or tortured.
10. Major changes in clarity of thinking or analytical ability.
11. Memory lapses.
12. A drained feeling or fatigue without cause, as in a drain of vitality or physical strength.
13. Hearing harassing voices inside your mind, as in negative words, demoralizing and degrading you, and suggesting you do things you do not wish to do.
14. Illnesses that come on suddenly that a doctor cannot diagnose.
15. Sudden illnesses that cannot be explained, as in flu-like symptoms, headache, low-vibrational trauma inside your body.
16. Hallucinations.
17. Inability to sleep well without having to take sleep aids.
18. Waking up in the middle of the night sensing someone in the room.
19. Sleep-walking, conversations, or other actions during sleep that you cannot remember upon waking.
20. Difficulty coping with the routine of everyday life.
21. Sudden explicable inability to cope with responsibilities, such as hardship at work doing what used to be easy.
22. Depression without understanding why or knowing an apparent cause, and becoming chronic.
23. Sudden bouts of sorrow, sadness, fear, or dread without explanation.
24. Feeling trapped or helpless for no apparent reason.
25. Intrusive negative thoughts that insight feelings of anger, rage, or the desire to inflict physical violence upon yourself or others.
26. Compulsive immoral behaviors that fill you with feelings of shame, guilty, and condemnation.
27. Feeling isolated, and even wanting to be isolated.
28. Anxiety or unexplainable disinterest relating to attending religious worship or activities.
29. Feelings of fear or dread when preparing to read your Bible.
30. Sudden dislike for religious music.

Any one of these things, or a combination of these things, could indicate that one is under demonic oppression.

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MM if all of the above information is blowing the situation you are facing out of proportion, I would suggest following Bro Esaias' advice below.

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Hi i sent you a pm.

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I believe the terminology is drawn from texts such as the following:

Acts 8:6-8
6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
8 And there was great joy in that city.

Acts 10:38
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

To be oppressed is to be subject to abuse. To be possessed is to be owned.

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This is occult garbage designed to deceive people into superstition and an occult-ized mindset.

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It's always interesting to me how much people know about evil spirits, and only ever and often "discern" them, but how little they know about, and only and often discern regarding righteous spirits, that is, angels.

I've told many a young man who was new in the Lord to stop focusing on the Kingdom of Satan and get your mind on Jesus. It's amazing how easy it is to get caught up in this stuff and get sidetracked.

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I can see your point, however i believe he is going detailed with it because he once was in a deliverance ministry and becuase i had mentioned that I had feelings that the Lord is wanting to use me in that area as well.