Destination Heaven?
 

The majority of Christians, as far as I'm aware, believe that the "end destination" following death for the born again believer, is heaven.

I think that many verses that are said to be speaking of heaven, may not actually be. IE: John 14, as well as in the Revelation.

If you believe we will end up in heaven as our destination, and your hope is in that, please post your thoughts. (Hopefully along with a few passages to support your hope in such).


There are so many many songs out there with that message.


Songs like:
When we all, get to heaven, what a day of rejoicing that will be..



It has been said by some here, that "Nowhere does the Bible teach our destination is heaven"...



I'd like to read some of your posted thoughts discussed on the subject of heaven, what it is, or is not...and if it is our destination like so many songs we sing....or if it is not our destination.

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There is a poster on this forum who believes that you will eat fruit and leaves in heaven. You will also constantly use the toilet because of the steady diet of roughage.

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There's also a big big yard where we can play football

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but if Im not a fan of football wouldnt that make it hell? or we just gonna have to suck it up like,"If you dont like it loud down here you probably wont like heaven."?

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Went over ya head

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No it didnt.... Fathers House by Big Daddy Weave

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I always despised that song. Not only doctrinally in error, but just plain stupid.

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I hate that song. It's a terrible terrible song. You know who else has terrible songs? North Korea. Rocket Man sings terrible terrible songs on karaoke night.

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Yuck

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We're gonna sing. We're gonna shout. We're gonna dance all about. If you don't get with the pro gram today, right now... you're not gone be with the pro gram in heaav en! I wish some of you ladies would let your hair down. Let your hair down. Your hair is not a bur den, it's a blessing. Your hair is a blessss ing!

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I really need to get to sleep. 5:30a.m. comes sooner than I'd prefer. Not complaining! Not at all. Really enjoying these 12 hour shifts! I'm very thankful for this job.


Good night folks

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I believe heaven is not meant to be our permanent home whatsoever. Temporal only. Not permanent.

Psalms 115:16 KJV The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Mankind was created to live on the earth without death. I believe the death he took upon himself by sinning was both spiritual and physical. The Hebrew says God's warning, should he eat of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, was in dying thou shalt die.

Genesis 2:17 KJV But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 2:17 LITV but of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you may not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die.

And the death Adam brought on mankind in Romans 5 is answered and remedied by the death Jesus died into which we must be baptized in Romans 6 so as to claim His death as fulfilling our required deaths. And since He died physically in order to remedy our deaths, that means our required deaths have to include physical death.

Romans 5:12 KJV Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 6:3 KJV Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:6-7 KJV Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

So sin is clearly remedied by physical death, because Christ took the penalty we were meant to take, thus removing it from us.

And here we read the death we were meant to suffer was the reason Jesus died, to take it as us, so as to leave us as those who paid the debt through Him, not requiring us to pay it again.

Hebrews 9:27-28 KJV And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

That being said, man was meant to live forever on earth before he sinned. And when he sinned, God set out to save us and restore us. Salvation is restoration to get us back on the original track and purpose. We are not given a PLAN B that is totally different from the original plan for Adam before his sin. Adam was not meant to die and go to heaven. So, salvation restores us to Adam's purpose of ruling on this earth forever.

And this is where the original passages I quoted comes into play.

Psalms 115:16 KJV The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Even after man sinned, and people die and go to heaven, heaven is still NOT OURS. It is God's. The EARTH is ours. We're meant to be here.

So, when we die we temporarily go to Heaven until we get the resurrection bodies that are actually a restored version of what Adam had before sin. And bodies are not made for heaven, because we don't need them to go to heaven when we die today. They are EARTH SUITS. Physical-realm suits. God meant for us to forever be the material version of what He is in heaven. King and ruler. And God created the physical universe while He, Himself, is not physical whatsoever.

Jesus as Son of God only existed as SON because sin entered the equation and had to be remedied as well as our need to have a SECOND ADAM. Otherwise God would never have manifested in flesh as Christ. But rather than have Adam as head now, Christ Himself is become our "ADAM." God in flesh is a better "Adam," anyway!

And so after the resurrection, when we have our immortal bodies and death does not exist IN ANY FORM ANY MORE, we will be back on the earth forever and ruling it as Adam was meant to. And God will fill us as He would have filled Adam had he eaten of the fruit of Life, so God would manifest through us and co-rule the world with us.

God made man to be both spiritual and natural because God, Who is a Spirit, wants to indwell man in the natural realm and manifest through us to affect the natural realm as though he, Himself, were naturally made. But the added benefit is that He has US WITH HIM now, whom He loves! He was all alone before that.

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Wow, just wow. :faint

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:lol

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I am sorry, but there is a poster who believes that Revelation 22:2 is speaking of the menu in heaven. He gets upset when anyone tells him that this is symbolic and not literal. That it is John reminding his Diaspora readers about Ezekiel 47:7, but including the Great City as the central part of the vision.

The poster tells us that we will get sick in heaven (probably from eating too much fruit) and that we will eating the leaves which have medicinal qualities.

I asked the poster in the Eschatology section that if we are consuming food in heaven, wouldn't we also be going to the latrine? Hence my post about BMs in heaven. :heeheehee

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Is this the alternative?....


7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit(FAKE NEWS SPIRIT) saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat(FAKE FOOD) of the tree(FAKE TREE) of life, which is in the midst of the paradise(FAKE PARADISE) of God


So the Spirit of God is as fake news Spirit?

It just lied here?

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More fake news by the fake news Spirit?.....


17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat(FAKE MANNA) of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone(FAKE STONE), and in the stone a new name(FAKE NAME) written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

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All because a carnal mind cannot digest Spiritual things....


If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?


Jesus has heavenly food for the saints to eat.

It requires no outhouses.....LOL

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You use your words very carelessly as you attack the brethren. They answer your questions. You claim they hold a position that they don't, and you attack that.

Woe unto you...

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Right houston, give him an ear full of his fake news.

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Perhaps a cover. Original is "Big House" by Audio Adrenaline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omoOLhDdTPA

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Hold. UP.

There's not going to be "a big, big table with lots and lots of food?"

I'm very sad right now.

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Just fruit... and healing leaves... maybe cleansing tea

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Hopefully a big, big bathroom. :D

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with lots and lots of poo :trashcan

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Heaven going to have waste disposal?

Septic tanks, sewer systems?

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Sean said it's so. :thumbsup

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Why do you guys mock Jesus' words?...



7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.


Does He need to re-quote Himself with a porta potty for you to believe Him?

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You ALL are straight up, sacrilegious.

I am serious.

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Man, I never thought I would see the day that Christians bashed the words of their savior.

I see them doing it now in 2017.

Whoah.

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He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches


This is what they lack....

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You may believe you're serious, but we don't take you seriously.

Listen, you never earned anyone's respect. You walked into the eschatological section mocking Brother Blume, and the rest of the brothers. They really wanted to convey their thoughts to you. Brother Blume especially deserves a healthy serving of leaves when he gets to heaven. Because of his tolerance for dealing with your punk behavior.

No one is mocking the Bible or Jesus. We are mocking your folly, and that you believe that you are a guide of the blind and a teacher of babes. When it is you who needs to receive the instruction. Yet, your self entitlement blinds you to even listen to what Brother Blume is trying to explain to you. All you can do is play the girl, and try to get into a hair pulling fight with him. He doesn't want that and he tells you so, but you have it in your head that everyone thinks you are doing them a favor. Fight for all futurists, but even futurists don't believe what you believe. Because prior to speaking with Brother Blume in the eschatology section of this forum, you didn't even know how to spell eschatology, much less know what the word meant.

Sean?

Will their be a latrine in heaven?

Will we get gas from eating too much fruit?

Will we become ill, and have to eat the healing leaves for cancer, or a headache?

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I thought you'd be square dancing with the "debbil." :nod

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I realize why some of you are so grouchy. I woke you up(kinda).

Sleep on.

Just try not to mock Jesus' words again when you are grouchy, thanks.




7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

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7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.



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Their Savior is no doubtedly, shocked at them.

Re: Destination Heaven?
 

Since you believe that we are eating food, do we also use the latrine?

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I am not the one to ask, ask Him.....



7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.


If He does not answer you, then take Him at His word.

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Sean, since you believe that it is literal then do you believe we will be using a latrine in heaven?



No doubtedly, it is undoubtedly.

Let me use it in a sentence...Sean is undoubtedly the worst Bible teacher. :)

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Do you agree with your Savior here?....


7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.




If not, why not?

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Ask Him?

Im asking you since you believe people will get sick in heaven and need medicinal herbs to gain healing. The leaves in particular.

If I did ask Him the question, He would ask me why I posting to you. :lol