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JamesGlen 09-23-2017 07:31 AM

Should we teach our eschatology to our children?
 
So many varying opinions...many believe they have it figured out, yet the majority cannot completely scripturally prove what they believe.

So do we teach our interpretation of eschatology as opinion...or as THE TRUTH... or as non salvational but "this is how I see it...?

Should we teach it to our children at all?

Should we teach them all the different views? ... Then how we see things?

Where's "the line" on how far we go teaching eschatology to our young adult children?

Evang.Benincasa 09-23-2017 07:45 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
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Originally Posted by JamesGlen (Post 1502633)
So many varying opinions...many believe they have it figured out, yet the majority cannot completely scripturally prove what they believe.

So do we teach our interpretation of eschatology as opinion...or as THE TRUTH... or as non salvational but "this is how I see it...?

Should we teach it to our children at all?

Should we teach them all the different views? ... Then how we see things?

Where's "the line" on how far we go teaching eschatology to our young adult children?

Yes, very much so.

My daughters and the young people in the church of more confident because of it. No chicken little syndrome for them. :thumbsup

Sean 09-23-2017 07:55 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Cool, they are taught by preterist parents that Jesus will come to kill them all because there is not such thing as a catching away(rapture).

What is the method used by Jesus to kill the children etc. to be resurrected?

Sean 09-23-2017 08:02 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Full preterist parent....." And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.....now princess, if Jesus returns tonight he will kill you to resurrect you, so dont worry, good night, Jesus loves you".



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Qct7SgUehIWp5g


So if verse 13 is referring to the dead, then verses 14-17 are referring to “The Resurrection”. I think most, if not all of you, will agree with that statement. So let’s examine how and when this resurrection of the dead is to occur.

Sean 09-23-2017 08:10 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Futurist parent...... "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words....Princess, you will never have to die, but rather, wake up from your bed in heaven if Jesus calls us tonight".

houston 09-23-2017 08:44 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502644)
Full preterist parent....." And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.....now princess, if Jesus returns tonight he will kill you to resurrect you, so dont worry, good night, Jesus loves you".



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Qct7SgUehIWp5g


So if verse 13 is referring to the dead, then verses 14-17 are referring to “The Resurrection”. I think most, if not all of you, will agree with that statement. So let’s examine how and when this resurrection of the dead is to occur.

Do you snort Tylenol before you log on?

Sean 09-23-2017 08:48 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Do you teach your kids they will die, no matter what?

I hope not.

Godsdrummer 09-23-2017 09:38 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1502649)
Do you snort Tylenol before you log on?

He must snort Tylenol he has been on this forum long enough and still does not know what a full preterist teaches, and believes.

Wow all I can say is wow

Evang.Benincasa 09-23-2017 10:10 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 1502653)
He must snort Tylenol he has been on this forum long enough and still does not know what a full preterist teaches, and believes.

Wow all I can say is wow

I'm puzzled where he gets the idea that we teach our children that they don't die?

Evang.Benincasa 09-23-2017 10:22 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502650)
Do you teach your kids they will die, no matter what?

I hope not.

You teach children that they cannot die if the jump off a cliff head first into concrete pavement?

I knew of people who taught that if you are truly with the Lord then you will never die physically. Is that what you mean? I teach my young people that those who listen to Jesus' Gospel trusting in Christ will have have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life. That is John 5:24, Matthew 25:46, John 3:16-18, John 6:47, John 6:50-51, John 6:58, John 12:44, John 20:31, and 1 John 3:14.

Evang.Benincasa 09-23-2017 10:25 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Sean to go to Brother Steve Winter's webpage and get Brother Steve's phone number. Call him and ask him you would like to sit under his ministry and tutelage.

Jermyn Davidson 09-23-2017 10:57 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1502638)
Yes, very much so.

My daughters and the young people in the church of more confident because of it. No chicken little syndrome for them. :thumbsup

I agree with this approach. Teach your children as children. When they become of age, then encourage to seek to be truly convinced of the truths they have accepted and have grown to love.

Sean 09-23-2017 11:42 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 1502653)
He must snort Tylenol he has been on this forum long enough and still does not know what a full preterist teaches, and believes.

Wow all I can say is wow

I quoted one from their forum...read it.

Sean 09-23-2017 11:45 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1502654)
I'm puzzled where he gets the idea that we teach our children that they don't die?

Had a big debate on CARM with a full preterist that insisted that all human beings must die to be resurrected.

With a little research, I found out they really teach that.

They say when Christ returns for the saints, there will be no "catching away" of living humans, as the quote implies above.

Sean 09-23-2017 11:46 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502644)
Full preterist parent....." And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.....now princess, if Jesus returns tonight he will kill you to resurrect you, so dont worry, good night, Jesus loves you".



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Qct7SgUehIWp5g


So if verse 13 is referring to the dead, then verses 14-17 are referring to “The Resurrection”. I think most, if not all of you, will agree with that statement. So let’s examine how and when this resurrection of the dead is to occur.

He teaches verse 14-17 are all dead saints, none must be alive:nod

Sean 09-23-2017 11:55 AM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1502655)
You teach children that they cannot die if the jump off a cliff head first into concrete pavement?

I knew of people who taught that if you are truly with the Lord then you will never die physically. Is that what you mean? I teach my young people that those who listen to Jesus' Gospel trusting in Christ will have have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life. That is John 5:24, Matthew 25:46, John 3:16-18, John 6:47, John 6:50-51, John 6:58, John 12:44, John 20:31, and 1 John 3:14.

Are you okay today?

Can you communicate without a melt down?

Be a good evangelist and ask good questions.:throwrock

Evang.Benincasa 09-23-2017 12:47 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502683)
Are you okay today?

Can you communicate without a melt down?

Be a good evangelist and ask good questions.:throwrock

Why are you offended by that question?

You said there was a group who taught they don't die

mfblume 09-23-2017 12:50 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502643)
Cool, they are taught by preterist parents that Jesus will come to kill them all because there is not such thing as a catching away(rapture).

What is the method used by Jesus to kill the children etc. to be resurrected?

...And here we go with the dishonest element of the forum again.

Sean 09-23-2017 01:12 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1502693)
Why are you offended by that question?

You said there was a group who taught they don't die

Futurists teach there will come a particular generation of saints, that will not have to face death like everyone else. They will be caught up together with the resurrected dead in Christ.

They quote 1 Thes. 4 ,etc.

Get it right.

Sean 09-23-2017 01:14 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1502695)
...And here we go with the dishonest element of the forum again.

This is not about partial preterism, it is about full preterists that do not believe in the resurrection of the living saints.

These teachers are alive and well.

Sean 09-23-2017 01:21 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
This is their "Acts 2:38" type foundational verse....


Hebrews 9:27
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


And they wont budge at all, to believe in the resurrection of the living saints.

Sean 09-23-2017 01:23 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
My question is to anyone on AFF, is....is there anyone here that does not believe in living saints being taken to heaven from earth, and rather all men must face death?

mfblume 09-23-2017 02:12 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502701)
This is not about partial preterism, it is about full preterists that do not believe in the resurrection of the living saints.

These teachers are alive and well.

But you accused them of saying they believe their children will be killed. And that's simply not true, Sean. they do not teach that at all.

Evang.Benincasa 09-23-2017 03:02 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502700)
Futurists teach there will come a "particular generation" of saints, that will not have to face death like everyone else. They will be caught up together with the resurrected dead in Christ.

They quote 1 Thes. 4 ,etc.

Get it right.

A particular generation? What is the indication of that generation? How long is a Biblical generation? If the generation is a race what makes up the race? Can people become part of that race? Yet, please teach me if you want me to convert to your understanding so I may be like you. Answer my first question, what are the indicators which makes up "the particular generation?"

Michael The Disciple 09-23-2017 03:02 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Yes I have taught my children they may have to face great tribulation in their lifetime and if they take the mark of the beast they will be doomed. I dont wish them to fall prey to the falsehoods of pre trib or preterism.

mfblume 09-23-2017 03:05 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1502777)
Yes I have taught my children they may have to face great tribulation in their lifetime and if they take the mark of the beast they will be doomed. I dont wish them to fall prey to the falsehoods of pre trib or preterism.

That slur deserves a post like this:

You will have to stand before God for teaching them the error of your belief. You won't get this now, but you will when it happens.

Just saying.

Evang.Benincasa 09-23-2017 03:05 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1502777)
Yes I have taught my children they may have to face great tribulation in their lifetime and if they take the mark of the beast they will be doomed. I dont wish them to fall prey to the falsehoods of pre trib or preterism.

What did you teach them the Mark of the Beast is?

Sean 09-23-2017 03:34 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1502776)
A particular generation? What is the indication of that generation? How long is a Biblical generation? If the generation is a race what makes up the race? Can people become part of that race? Yet, please teach me if you want me to convert to your understanding so I may be like you. Answer my first question, what are the indicators which makes up "the particular generation?"

Quote:

My question is to anyone on AFF, is....is there anyone here that does not believe in living saints being taken to heaven from earth, and rather all men must face death?
Howbout your personal point of view?

Sean 09-23-2017 03:34 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Do you have one?

TK Burk 09-23-2017 03:41 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502814)
Howbout your personal point of view?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502815)
Do you have one?

Sean, Bro. Benincasa is giving you the opportunity to teach him what you believe. It's evident you believe he is wrong. So, teach him.

mfblume 09-23-2017 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TK Burk (Post 1502819)
Sean, Bro. Benincasa is giving you the opportunity to teach him what you believe. It's evident you believe he is wrong. So, teach him.

You'll only go down millions of rabbit trails talking to that dude.

Evang.Benincasa 09-23-2017 03:43 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1502822)
You'll only go down millions of rabbit trails talking to that dude.

Then Sean doesn't care about my children or I. I learn through asking questions. That is how I learn. He has already established that I'm incorrect, so he should answer my questions.

Sean 09-23-2017 03:44 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TK Burk (Post 1502819)
Sean, Bro. Benincasa is giving you the opportunity to teach him what you believe. It's evident you believe he is wrong. So, teach him.

He is the very worst student in my class TK.

I am not interested in his terrible behavior.

There are special schools for his kind in CYA....LOL

Sean 09-23-2017 03:46 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1502822)
You'll only go down millions of rabbit trails talking to that dude.

Just the opposite.

I plug up preterist rabbit holes and smooth the path for contextual reading.:nod

TK Burk 09-23-2017 03:46 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1502822)
You'll only go down millions of rabbit trails talking to that dude.

You are probably 100% correct, but if Sean does not take up his offer, his silence--or his avoidence--will be loud and clear.

Sean 09-23-2017 03:48 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
You hate me TK....LOL

TK Burk 09-23-2017 03:48 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502825)
He is the very worst student in my class TK.

I am not interested in his terrible behavior.

There are special schools for his kind in CYA....LOL

It's not about the quality of the student, it's about the quality of the teacher. If you refuse Bro. Benincasa's offer today, you will disqualify yourself from giving any credible critiques.

TK Burk 09-23-2017 03:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1502828)
You hate me TK....LOL

No, not you...but I do have a strong dislike of false doctrine.

Evang.Benincasa 09-23-2017 03:50 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Boy a guy like Sean makes me miss Parson/Mike Wiltcher. :heeheehee

TK Burk 09-23-2017 03:50 PM

Re: Should we teach our eschatology to our childre
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1502831)
Boy a guy like Sean makes me miss Parson/Mike Wiltcher. :heeheehee

(chuckles) :heeheehee


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