Batton Down The Hatches!!!!!
 

Yes friends...it is true....another UPCI church has gone the way of the "rebellion".
As of now another PROMINENT UPCI church has gone to TV.
Dont ask...I wont tell......BUT it would shock many of you that are familiar with this part of the Country.
They are running over 800....

Fasten your seatbelts UC's...this will be the trend...passed in Tampa or not.

I just love a good revolution. :)

Big whoop, like we're all shocked or somethin'?


Times they are a changin'.

Big churches will get a pass. Little ones might get called before the district board. :club

Good grief most UPC folks have televisions so what is the big deal. The presbyter in the section I was raised in had a television when I was a boy.
Every UPC church in the area back then was filled with television it never was a big deal with them. The Independent brethren were anti television then but they joined and now they all have televisions. Thank God for those who don't and make a stand but it is too little too late I fear.

Was the church in TX (who recently disaffiliated) a large or small church?

Good point...lol

Anthony Mangun? s/p

NYLP,

In your opinion what is the rationale behind this larger UPC church making this move just a few months before GC?

Do you believe they are willing to just drop it all a mere four months after starting it if the resolution fails at GC?

By "gone to TV" do you mean advertising on TV or a program on TV?

I went to a concert there about 13 years ago and I guessed it to run about 500-800.

AM runs considerably more than 800.

I don't think this will be suprising anybody anymore.....:coffee2

Yeah, but CC1 does have a point . . . . it's weird that they didn't wait until after the vote. If the vote went in favor of TV, this change would in no way be rocking the boat.

On Both sides of the aisle I think that men are doing what they want to do...regardless of what the Org says... talking with Pastor Friends both on the West Coast and the East Coast and in the middle it seems that UPC is not offering folks much and I think some are just plain Org Weary....

LOL NO! He runs 3,500...not 800! LOL

No they wont drop it.....but the rationale is simple..

The UC keep yelling....."it wont work"....well....guess what it is working and they wont be able to argue with the facts of the results!

Seriously, I think everyone has already decided what they are gonna do after Tampa. Some of 'em have already decided to leave no matter what happens, others are just waiting a bit to see how it all goes down.

Hey, wasn't last week the deadline for the surveys?

Anyone here know how that went?:lol

The men that I know of that are already on TV have no intention of leaving no matter how the vote goes.....

:hmmm The Pastor's son is currently already on television, right?

You are fostering a rumor here that is not true.:lol

I think the bigger issue they need to worry about is this hair stuff and forget fighting about TV.

This hair doctrine concerns me.

:lol No. There is a prominent Louisiana Pastors son that's on television. :lol

It is funny that no seems to find a problem with people violating clearly spelled out agreements that someone has signed their name to. But I guess why should we be surprised when Holywood is involved.

:)

I know of which thou speakest.

NYLP,

did you see my question about whether you mean this church is advertising on TV or has a program on TV?

Such a UC thing to say. Hollywood has nothing to do with it. Reaching the masses that is the appeal.

Such a UL thing to say. To dismiss lieing and broken promises as being onworthy of consideration.

Not in texas! we kick em out big or little.

well, we TRY to convince the people that their pastor has taken them down the primrose path, and then the people reject us and thus take their church and go their own way.

that is how we roll in Texas! Hook'em Horns! Gig'em Aggies!

I agree. I also agree that being true to the word of God and the great commission is more important than the goofy extreme legalism of the UPC.

These preachers who don't believe the legalism / restrictions on ministry through media, etc should be man enough to say so and turn in their cards.

LOL!!! I am dying to find out which petty jealous preacher turned in that pastor for having a TV. Probably some of the us four and no more crowd jealous of the success of that "compromising" church.

It is only lying when you are with holding the truth. If they once said no to tv now are saying yes has nothing to do with lying or breaking promises. Though if they are acting like they have no tv but actually do then your statement applies.

You know I was told by a UPC minister that when they are asked to sign the affirmation statement that they can designate to sign under protest. That entitles them to make their own choice on tv. Just repeating what I was told so may not be gospel, but why would I question a UPC pastor about that...ummmmm yeah. :poloroid

The pastor's son in Louisiana that is on TV does not hold license, but is the assistant pastor of his dad's church. So he is not breaking any rules.

Can't we just all get along?:friend

I just can't stand arguments. I get sooooo sceeered.

This is true where I live, too.

Seems true to where I live also.

This kind of thinking will always baffle me.

I guess this is what the UPC so great :)

That is a neat way to skirt an agreement that you made that you really don't like.

:)

I'll get both barrels of the shotgun for this . . .

I hope there's more UPC Churches and Pastors who start advertising on television, regardless of what happens in Tampa.

I'll state it again . . .

I hope there's more UPC Churches and Pastors who start advertising on television, regardless of what happens in Tampa.

HQ has become too much like the government in Washington, DC. It's become too much of a "big brother" involving itself in things its founders never intended.

It's so messed up on the issue that it's going against its own Article 1 of the General Constitution:
It's also going against the autonomy of the local church:
It's become more than what the founders created it to be, which originally was a fellowship of believers. It's now become a governmental agency, complete with the IRS, FBI, and Homeland Security.

Viva La Revolucion! :ranting



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Dan...is your middle name THAD?