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Amanah 09-25-2017 07:04 AM

Theology
 
do you follow on the these systems of theology, and if so why?
is there another system of theology besides what is depicted in this chart?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...7&d=1506344468

http://www.christinyou.net/pages/dthcthchth.html

Sean 09-25-2017 07:43 AM

Re: Theology
 
Amanah, I have modified Dispensational Theology to fit the proper scriptural method of explaining time periods.....



I like to use the term "time periods" as a disp. point of view.

These time periods are legitimate eras' of time, in which God dealt with mankind with a dispensing of certain rule or rules to live by.

Each time period ends up judging man for his failure and a new time period is built upon the existing ones.(with a few exceptions).

God had dispensed His rule over mankind within these periods of time.



dis·pense
dəˈspens/
verb
1.
distribute or provide (a service or information) to a number of people.

Dispensation #1...Innocence, ends in judgement. All future mankind still in its' effect.

#2....Conscience, ends in judgement, yet God still uses the conscience to condemn man of sin.

#3....Human govt.,, ends in judgement via dispersion of languages, yet still in effect today.

#4...Promise, Israel judged by God in bondage for about 400 years, yet it is still in effect today by an ongoing promise to Abraham.

#5....Law, ends in judgement for sin at Calvary for SAINTS only, yet sinners are still under the curse of the Law(and its' condemnation)

#6.....Grace, an extension of Promise and same covenant as future Millennial reign(BOTH SAINTS AND NATIONAL ISRAEL INCLUDED), will end in judgement to those that do not accept Christ(Tribulation).

#7....1000 year Millennial reign, A time period of the reign of Jesus Christ over all mankind from Jerusalem, to end in judgement at the loosing of satan in Rev. 20.

THAT WILL WRAP UP TIME AND HISTORY.

Amanah 09-25-2017 07:49 AM

Re: Theology
 
thank you Bro Sean

Sean 09-25-2017 07:54 AM

Re: Theology
 
Your welcome. Today, many folks are rethinking their methods of explaining the Bible.

houston 09-25-2017 07:56 AM

Re: Theology
 
Sean, you have 6 dispensations that are overlapping.

Sean 09-25-2017 07:58 AM

Re: Theology
 
All time periods are based on Laws of God. And these Laws are added because of transgression, never subtracted as old dispy teaching suggests.

Godsdrummer 09-25-2017 08:01 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1503221)
Your welcome. Today, many folks are rethinking their methods of explaining the Bible.

really? Seems to me that those teaching dispensational teaching are the ones that change their rethinking. I noticed that dispensational teaching is new doctrine as per the article. But we have been telling you this for years now.

Dispensational Theology

......Dispensational theology is probably the most popular theological understanding in America at this time, even though it has a more recent origin than Covenant theology. The development of Dispensational theology dates back to the nineteenth century in Britain. J.N. Darby (1800-1882), an Irish lawyer, sought to explain the uniqueness of the Christians' spiritual condition "in Christ." To explain the radical different in Christian "benefits" from that afforded to peoples in all prior times, Mr. Darby employed the division of time into distinct "dispensations." Harry Ironside, a later proponent of Dispensational theology, noted that "until Mr. J.N. Darby...it (the dispensational idea of a postponed kingdom) is scarcely to be found in a single book or sermon through a period of sixteen hundred years."4 Darby's novel idea of distinguishing "dispensations" of time became the basis of a new theological system known as "Dispensationalism."

Sean 09-25-2017 08:01 AM

Re: Theology
 
These Laws definitely never die, they more than overlap, they are set in stone to create a situation of wrath.

Sean 09-25-2017 08:02 AM

Re: Theology
 
Loren, Darbyism is on life support these days.

Sean 09-25-2017 08:03 AM

Re: Theology
 
I can wipe it out with one verse.

Godsdrummer 09-25-2017 08:10 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1503229)
Loren, Darbyism is on life support these days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1503230)
I can wipe it out with one verse.

You missed the point as usual. The point was that dispensationalism is a new theology. And you even have changed their teaching, and you call us redefinitionlist.

Evang.Benincasa 09-25-2017 08:11 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 1503227)
really? Seems to me that those teaching dispensational teaching are the ones that change their rethinking. I noticed that dispensational teaching is new doctrine as per the article. But we have been telling you this for years now.

Dispensational Theology

......Dispensational theology is probably the most popular theological understanding in America at this time, even though it has a more recent origin than Covenant theology. The development of Dispensational theology dates back to the nineteenth century in Britain. J.N. Darby (1800-1882), an Irish lawyer, sought to explain the uniqueness of the Christians' spiritual condition "in Christ." To explain the radical different in Christian "benefits" from that afforded to peoples in all prior times, Mr. Darby employed the division of time into distinct "dispensations." Harry Ironside, a later proponent of Dispensational theology, noted that "until Mr. J.N. Darby...it (the dispensational idea of a postponed kingdom) is scarcely to be found in a single book or sermon through a period of sixteen hundred years."4 Darby's novel idea of distinguishing "dispensations" of time became the basis of a new theological system known as "Dispensationalism."

Don't forget Jehovah Witnesses, they change as the years march on.

Same thing with Dispensationalism.

Notice the use of Sean's modified Dispensational Theology. That says it all.

Evang.Benincasa 09-25-2017 08:12 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 1503236)
You missed the point as usual. The point was that dispensationalism is a new theology. And you even have changed their teaching, and you call us redefinitionlist.

Brother Blume has continually made a valid point, where does the apostles or Jesus ever teach 7 dispensations? Or even use the word dispensation as Dispensationalists use the word?

Evang.Benincasa 09-25-2017 08:21 AM

Re: Theology
 
When Paul uses the word dispensation it means to preach the Gospel of God's grace. When never read where he preaches about Moses preaching a dispensation of law? We don't have John introducing us to him preaching that he is dispensing the Gospel of a Millennium?

Scott Pitta 09-25-2017 09:17 AM

Re: Theology
 
None of the above.

Sorta.

The Bible mentions dispensations. I see Law and grace.

I have not thought about covenant theology since my college days.

I have never heard of the Christocentric theology. But it is fun to spell.

mfblume 09-25-2017 09:36 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1503254)
None of the above.

Sorta.

The Bible mentions dispensations. I see Law and grace.

I have not thought about covenant theology since my college days.

I have never heard of the Christocentric theology. But it is fun to spell.

When the bible mentions dispensations it does not use it in the way that dispensationalism did.

Scott Pitta 09-25-2017 09:51 AM

Re: Theology
 
Someday someone will write a book about the impact the Scofield and the Thompson study Bibles have had on American Pentecostal theology.

The companion book would be the impact of Dispensational Truth (Clarence Larkin) on American Pentecostal eschatology.

But I will not write it.

mfblume 09-25-2017 10:29 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1503268)
Someday someone will write a book about the impact the Scofield and the Thompson study Bibles have had on American Pentecostal theology.

The companion book would be the impact of Dispensational Truth (Clarence Larkin) on American Pentecostal eschatology.

But I will not write it.

I pray it comes sooner than later.

Sean 09-25-2017 02:56 PM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 1503227)
really? Seems to me that those teaching dispensational teaching are the ones that change their rethinking. I noticed that dispensational teaching is new doctrine as per the article. But we have been telling you this for years now.

Dispensational Theology

......Dispensational theology is probably the most popular theological understanding in America at this time, even though it has a more recent origin than Covenant theology. The development of Dispensational theology dates back to the nineteenth century in Britain. J.N. Darby (1800-1882), an Irish lawyer, sought to explain the uniqueness of the Christians' spiritual condition "in Christ." To explain the radical different in Christian "benefits" from that afforded to peoples in all prior times, Mr. Darby employed the division of time into distinct "dispensations." Harry Ironside, a later proponent of Dispensational theology, noted that "until Mr. J.N. Darby...it (the dispensational idea of a postponed kingdom) is scarcely to be found in a single book or sermon through a period of sixteen hundred years."4 Darby's novel idea of distinguishing "dispensations" of time became the basis of a new theological system known as "Dispensationalism."

I fixed it.:nod

Sean 09-25-2017 02:59 PM

Re: Theology
 
Folks commonly bash something they found broken, to prove their broken doctrines are right.

2 wrongs never make a right.

Get your own doctrine right, instead of bashing your(false teaching) cousin's wrong doctrine.

Evang.Benincasa 09-25-2017 03:34 PM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1503329)
I fixed it.
:nod

There you have it.

Sean fixed Dispensationalism.

Sean, could you show us what exactly you fixed?

Sean 09-25-2017 06:10 PM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1503216)
Amanah, I have modified Dispensational Theology to fit the proper scriptural method of explaining time periods.....



I like to use the term "time periods" as a disp. point of view.

These time periods are legitimate eras' of time, in which God dealt with mankind with a dispensing of certain rule or rules to live by.

Each time period ends up judging man for his failure and a new time period is built upon the existing ones.(with a few exceptions).

God had dispensed His rule over mankind within these periods of time.



dis·pense
dəˈspens/
verb
1.
distribute or provide (a service or information) to a number of people.

Dispensation #1...Innocence, ends in judgement. All future mankind still in its' effect.

#2....Conscience, ends in judgement, yet God still uses the conscience to condemn man of sin.

#3....Human govt.,, ends in judgement via dispersion of languages, yet still in effect today.

#4...Promise, Israel judged by God in bondage for about 400 years, yet it is still in effect today by an ongoing promise to Abraham.

#5....Law, ends in judgement for sin at Calvary for SAINTS only, yet sinners are still under the curse of the Law(and its' condemnation)

#6.....Grace, an extension of Promise and same covenant as future Millennial reign(BOTH SAINTS AND NATIONAL ISRAEL INCLUDED), will end in judgement to those that do not accept Christ(Tribulation).

#7....1000 year Millennial reign, A time period of the reign of Jesus Christ over all mankind from Jerusalem, to end in judgement at the loosing of satan in Rev. 20.

THAT WILL WRAP UP TIME AND HISTORY.

Bingo.

Scott Pitta 09-25-2017 06:17 PM

Re: Theology
 
Sean fixed dispensationalism. That takes real talent. "About time" :)

Sean 09-25-2017 07:39 PM

Re: Theology
 
:largehalo

Esaias 09-25-2017 08:23 PM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1503206)
do you follow on the these systems of theology, and if so why?
is there another system of theology besides what is depicted in this chart?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...7&d=1506344468

http://www.christinyou.net/pages/dthcthchth.html

The author is trying to create a balanced alternative between reformed and dispensational theological systems. In doing so, he has simply concocted another man-made theological scheme.

All theological systems are to be judged by how accurately or inaccurately they represent the teachings of the Bible. This then proves there is a true "Biblical Theology" which serves as the standard. We would be better served attempting to find that theology rather than trying to create a brand-name system of our own.

All theological "systems" are man-made, in that the Bible does not present a "systematic presentation of doctrine" similar to a systematic theology. Hence, all systematic theologies and systems of theology are nothing more than TEACHING, a body of doctrines, a syllabus and curriculum of presenting Biblical data. Every system of theology is a particular teacher's presentation of doctrine.

Keeping that in mind keeps us from swearing allegiance to a particular, formulaic system invented by men. Unfortunately, men seem to always want to do just that. Hence, they do not study the Bible so much as they study theological systems. And so orthodoxy gets determined by how accurately a belief represents a particular theological system, rather than by how accurately a belief conforms to Scripture.

Systematic theologies can be more or less useful, but one must avoid the trap of using them as a replacement of the Bible standard.

Evang.Benincasa 09-26-2017 05:15 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1503369)
Bingo.

Sean, not do you only dodge questions, you are miserable in giving EXPLANATIONS. Sean, please SHOW how YOU fixed it. It looks like the same old same old Larkin and Darbyist theology.

Evang.Benincasa 09-26-2017 05:17 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1503386)
The author is trying to create a balanced alternative between reformed and dispensational theological systems. In doing so, he has simply concocted another man-made theological scheme.

All theological systems are to be judged by how accurately or inaccurately they represent the teachings of the Bible. This then proves there is a true "Biblical Theology" which serves as the standard. We would be better served attempting to find that theology rather than trying to create a brand-name system of our own.

All theological "systems" are man-made, in that the Bible does not present a "systematic presentation of doctrine" similar to a systematic theology. Hence, all systematic theologies and systems of theology are nothing more than TEACHING, a body of doctrines, a syllabus and curriculum of presenting Biblical data. Every system of theology is a particular teacher's presentation of doctrine.

Keeping that in mind keeps us from swearing allegiance to a particular, formulaic system invented by men. Unfortunately, men seem to always want to do just that. Hence, they do not study the Bible so much as they study theological systems. And so orthodoxy gets determined by how accurately a belief represents a particular theological system, rather than by how accurately a belief conforms to Scripture.

Systematic theologies can be more or less useful, but one must avoid the trap of using them as a replacement of the Bible standard.


:thumbsup

Sean 09-26-2017 07:58 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1503399)
Sean, not do you only dodge questions, you are miserable in giving EXPLANATIONS. Sean, please SHOW how YOU fixed it. It looks like the same old same old Larkin and Darbyist theology.

How did you not see the changes?

No dispensation ENDED, only judgement came.

More Laws of God were added because of transgression.

You can't see the modification?

How can you criticize Dipies if you dont read their ideas?

Sean 09-26-2017 07:59 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1503216)
Amanah, I have modified Dispensational Theology to fit the proper scriptural method of explaining time periods.....



I like to use the term "time periods" as a disp. point of view.

These time periods are legitimate eras' of time, in which God dealt with mankind with a dispensing of certain rule or rules to live by.

Each time period ends up judging man for his failure and a new time period is built upon the existing ones.(with a few exceptions).

God had dispensed His rule over mankind within these periods of time.



dis·pense
dəˈspens/
verb
1.
distribute or provide (a service or information) to a number of people.

Dispensation #1...Innocence, ends in judgement. All future mankind still in its' effect.

#2....Conscience, ends in judgement, yet God still uses the conscience to condemn man of sin.

#3....Human govt.,, ends in judgement via dispersion of languages, yet still in effect today.

#4...Promise, Israel judged by God in bondage for about 400 years, yet it is still in effect today by an ongoing promise to Abraham.

#5....Law, ends in judgement for sin at Calvary for SAINTS only, yet sinners are still under the curse of the Law(and its' condemnation)

#6.....Grace, an extension of Promise and same covenant as future Millennial reign(BOTH SAINTS AND NATIONAL ISRAEL INCLUDED), will end in judgement to those that do not accept Christ(Tribulation).

#7....1000 year Millennial reign, A time period of the reign of Jesus Christ over all mankind from Jerusalem, to end in judgement at the loosing of satan in Rev. 20.

THAT WILL WRAP UP TIME AND HISTORY.

These a re HUGE changes to dispie teaching.:nod

TK Burk 09-26-2017 12:07 PM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1503432)
How can you criticize Dipies if you dont read their ideas?

:thumbsup

Spot on!

Evang.Benincasa 09-27-2017 06:32 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1503432)
How did you not see the changes?

No dispensation ENDED, only judgement came.

More Laws of God were added because of transgression.

You can't see the modification?

How can you criticize Dipies if you dont read their ideas?

Hello, Mr CARM Apologist of the Planet Xenos. All powerful defender of all that Apostolic. Able to leap small chairs in a single bound. Sean, did mommy give you some buttered toast with your Count Chocula cereal this morning?

Sean, please show us HOW you changed the Classical Dispensationalism to your MODIFIED dispensationalism? Please do it with scripture, book, chapter, and verse. Your posted "list" means nothing, you need to EXPLAIN your position with the Bible.

So, after you watch Sponge Bob, please come back and post this so all may learn.

Truther? LOL LOL LOL LOL :laffatu

Sean 09-27-2017 07:03 AM

Re: Theology
 
DB, you are so silly.

I love your posts, they are all like MAD magazine mixed with National Enquirer.

Thanks for the endless non substance but comic relief.

mfblume 09-27-2017 07:43 AM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1503560)
Hello, Mr CARM Apologist of the Planet Xenos. All powerful defender of all that Apostolic. Able to leap small chairs in a single bound. Sean, did mommy give you some buttered toast with your Count Chocula cereal this morning?

Sean, please show us HOW you changed the Classical Dispensationalism to your MODIFIED dispensationalism? Please do it with scripture, book, chapter, and verse. Your posted "list" means nothing, you need to EXPLAIN your position with the Bible.

So, after you watch Sponge Bob, please come back and post this so all may learn.

Truther? LOL LOL LOL LOL :laffatu

He will only make things up as he goes along.

Evang.Benincasa 09-28-2017 10:33 PM

Re: Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1503583)
He will only make things up as he goes along.

He is drowning in a sea of madness in Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ? thread. Do you remember me saying that eschatology was the least of Sean's problems? Read over that thread, and you will see that he was snorting the rice krispie treats during lunch.


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