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Esaias 09-29-2017 02:15 AM

Kneel, or you're racist!
 
HuffPo has spoken, the narrative becomes clearer - any white footballer who refused to kneel during the national anthem, and chose to stand instead, stood for white supremacist racism

Jesse Benn, Contributor
Dad, partner, engaged citizen, opinionated writer, leftist, PhD student.
White Athletes Still Standing For The Anthem Are Standing For White Supremacy
It’s a question of privilege.
09/25/2017 04:08 am ET Updated 8 hours ago

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59...ushpmg00000003

Jermyn Davidson 09-29-2017 07:58 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1504065)
HuffPo has spoken, the narrative becomes clearer - any white footballer who refused to kneel during the national anthem, and chose to stand instead, stood for white supremacist racism

Jesse Benn, Contributor
Dad, partner, engaged citizen, opinionated writer, leftist, PhD student.
White Athletes Still Standing For The Anthem Are Standing For White Supremacy
It’s a question of privilege.
09/25/2017 04:08 am ET Updated 8 hours ago

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59...ushpmg00000003


I really, really, wish that the folks on the left would not take things so far-- in rhetoric, in condemnation, in action.

Generally speaking, LIBERALS do the most damage to the causes for which they are most passionate.

Educated adults shouldn't allow themselves to constantly be driven by emotion.

aegsm76 09-29-2017 08:53 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1504080)
I really, really, wish that the folks on the left would not take things so far-- in rhetoric, in condemnation, in action.

Generally speaking, LIBERALS do the most damage to the causes for which they are most passionate.

Educated adults shouldn't allow themselves to constantly be driven by emotion.

JD - it is not just that they "take things so far". It is that they actually believe what they say!
You cannot have an honest discussion with these people.
Because if you disagree you are a racist or some other buzz word.

Jermyn Davidson 09-29-2017 09:27 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1504087)
JD - it is not just that they "take things so far". It is that they actually believe what they say!
You cannot have an honest discussion with these people.
Because if you disagree you are a racist or some other buzz word.

Some of their attitudes DO NOTHING to actually facilitate thoughtful and constructive discourse on our differences.

If our media is to be blamed for any of our societal ills, THIS clearly reflects their guilt: in their attempt to make more money, they strive to appeal to their individual consumer markets in ways that would never encourage thoughtful and constructive discourse. They make money off of our division and their profits are more important than our unity.

n david 09-29-2017 10:29 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1504087)
JD - it is not just that they "take things so far". It is that they actually believe what they say!
You cannot have an honest discussion with these people.
Because if you disagree you are a racist or some other buzz word.

These are the same people who claimed that anyone who disagreed or didn't like obama was a racist.

jediwill83 09-29-2017 11:04 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
unless youre a Hobbit...if you're a Hobbit you bow*kneel* for no one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=13J1mAGNUls

n david 09-29-2017 11:18 AM

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I will stand proud and tall, specifically because of these privileged athlete's protests.

Praxeas 09-29-2017 09:12 PM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
How many of these idiots at Huffpo take a knee?

Aquila 10-03-2017 08:32 AM

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Those who don't take a knee aren't racists.

They simply don't care about the plight of fellow citizens who have suffered excessive force or even unnecessary death at the hands of a militarized and often trigger happy law enforcement.

aegsm76 10-03-2017 09:50 AM

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Show me one credible study that shows bias in police shootings.

Aquila 10-03-2017 09:58 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1504761)
Show me one credible study that shows bias in police shootings.

You're right. There's absolutely no bias in police shootings. Everyone is just out of their minds and making it all up. :rolleyes2

Aquila 10-03-2017 09:59 AM

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I'd like to know why there aren't more prosecutions for cops who use lethal force when it wasn't called for.

Amanah 10-03-2017 10:15 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Reported incidents of police use of force per 1,000
sworn officers during 1991 in city departments


from page 42 of report

Rate per 1,000

Type of force officers
Handcuff/leg restraint 490.4
Bodily force (arm, foot, or leg) 272.2
Come-alongs 226.8
Unholstering weapon 129.9
Swarm 126.7
Twist locks/wrist locks 80.9
Firm grip 57.7
Chemical agents (Mace or Cap-Stun) 36.2
Batons 36.0
Flashlights 21.7
Dog attacks or bites 6.5
Electrical devices (TASER) 5.4
Civilians shot at but not hit 3.0
Other impact devices 2.4
Neck restraints/unconsciousness-rendering
holds 1.4
Vehicle rammings 1.0
Civilians shot and killed 0.9
Civilians shot and wounded but not killed 0.2

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ndcopuof.pdf

Amanah 10-03-2017 10:16 AM

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officer victims average 50/year

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2015/table..._2006-2015.xls

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:28 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQGFqC3pO8

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:28 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FntqumzeJsY

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:29 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiUkbE_ktHs

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:29 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbdHd-D09lU

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:29 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9lCn_z5sfo

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:30 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTHrORM62Rk

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:30 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7hh1p4xjLw

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:31 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
None of this is called for. And you'll notice... it's bigger than racism. It's the militant mindset of certain "bad apples" who have badges.

That's why everyone should take a knee and demand that law enforcement be held accountable. We should be disgusted and dedicated to rooting out those in uniform who shouldn't have a badge.

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:32 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5C7bMjTINU

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:32 AM

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In this age of technology, much of this is caught on camera on a daily basis. Many police departments are re-examining policies to address this stuff.

Originalist 10-03-2017 10:34 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1504748)
Those who don't take a knee aren't racists.

They simply don't care about the plight of fellow citizens who have suffered excessive force or even unnecessary death at the hands of a militarized and often trigger happy law enforcement.

Funny how time and again, black jurors vote to acquit white cops accused of the trash you espouse here. Maybe they are "tools" like the black conservatives, huh?

Your views are truly disgusting at times.

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:35 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFfzAlPa2ng

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:36 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1504780)
Funny how time and again, black jurors vote to acquit white cops accused of the trash you espouse here. Maybe they are "tools" like the black conservatives, huh?

Your views are truly disgusting at times.

Jurors can only rule in accordance to the "evidence" given and the testimonies of officers, many of which have no problem lying like the devil himself on the stand.

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:37 AM

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Interesting video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HyKlFUMBiA

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:41 AM

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I'm not saying that all cops are bad. In fact, I'd say that the majority are good cops. But the bad cops shape the public perception and make things even more dangerous for the good cops. Then add in the politics in the departments, and things get crazy.

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:42 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uerNR1mih60

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:45 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
What we can't do is...

Claim that all cops are bad.
Claim that excessive use of force, including deadly force, is only against minorities (we're all in danger here).
Ignore that there are many bad cops.
Ignore that department policies, politics, and the justice system often works in the favor of bad cops.
Ignore that something should be done.
Ignore that any one of us could find ourselves staring down the barrel of trigger happy cop's gun for one false move or misspoken word over some minor infraction.

We're Americans. They work FOR us. They aren't a standing army to police and punish us. Somewhere along the way they've been turned into a standing army to police and keep the American people walking the line, a line that gets narrower and narrower with every new law and regulation that chips away at personal liberty.

Sadly, I'm more worried when being pulled over by a cop on a bad side of town than I am changing a tire on the bad side of town.

So, let's all remember to keep waving our flags and singing "God Bless America"... but above all, remember, no sudden moves... or you could easily wind up dead.

Aquila 10-03-2017 10:58 AM

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Anyone here ever been tailed by a cop who followed you for an unbelievable amount of time until you messed up and gave him a reason to pull you over?

Anyone here ever been tailed by a cop who followed you for an unbelievable amount of time until he gave up because you didn't make a mistake that would give him a reason to pull you over?

Like one cop said during an interview, with the way the laws are written, it's nearly impossible to drive your car across town without giving a cop a reason to pull you over.

My friends, that's by design. They need a legal reason to act. And there are thousands of little laws that make it nearly impossible to avoid giving a cop a reason to stop you. And if you happen to do well jumping all those hoops, your effort to do so will give them just cause because now you're behaving in "suspicious" manner. I wouldn't be surprised if one day there's a law passed making it illegal to lead off with one's left foot while at the cross-walk. And guess what... someone would eventually be stopped over it, words exchanged, intentions misunderstood, and people blown away over it.

It's not a racial thing. But it's real. And we're all in the same boat. A trigger happy cop will blow you away over one false move just as quickly as other cops have blown away other people for reaching for their wallets after being asked for a license.

Aquila 10-03-2017 11:16 AM

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True story:

A man was doing yard work, so he wasn't looking his Sunday best. His kids were at grandma's, who lives about 8 houses down the street. She called him and told them that they were ready to come home. He starts walking down the street to her house and a little over half-way, out of nowhere he hears, "WOOP! WOOP!", and a cop pulls up next to him and asks him what he's doing and where he's going. He states that he is walking down to his mother-in-law's house to pick up his kids. The cop asks if he has his license or ID. He doesn't have it on him because he was doing yard work and his wallet was on the table on the foyer of his house. The cop asks him his name and where he lives and begins running his name. At that time, his kids see him and he hears "Daddy! Daddy!", as they run up to greet him. The officer looks "disappointed" as he "click-ity-clack-ities" on the computer in his car and sarcastically says, "Well, I guess it's your lucky day.", and drives off.

Ummm... what gives??? You're not allowed to walk down the street of your own neighborhood to pick up your kids anymore?

n david 10-03-2017 11:38 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1504770)

Guy was speeding as stated. He refused a lawful order to give his ID. We don't know why the cop opened the door, but we can see the driver is moving around inside. He continued to resist a lawful order.

This is typical of most of these videos who claim police brutality. Cop has reason to pull them over and then the suspect becomes belligerent and refuses to comply, which then leads to the officers having to resort to LAWFUL use of force.

n david 10-03-2017 11:45 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1504771)

This video begins well after the confrontation begins. We have no story on the perp with the tattoo'd hands who is cursing and threatening the officer. He reached down on the floor, which is likely why the cop RIGHTLY pulled his gun. The perp claims his proof of registration is on the floor. Now, c'mon man, who keeps their proof of registration on the floor of their car?

I'd like to see you in this situation, Aquila. You judge this officer, claim he's being abusive, yet know nothing of the situation besides what the perp's girlfriend has on video.

aegsm76 10-03-2017 11:47 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1504762)
You're right. There's absolutely no bias in police shootings. Everyone is just out of their minds and making it all up. :rolleyes2

Typical response from you.

I'll give you a link to a study
link
https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/pu...lice-use-force

snippet
On the most extreme use of force –officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account.

The head of this study is an African-American who admitted that he expected to find bias.

n david 10-03-2017 11:54 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1504772)

I fail to understand why this was posted.

The tags were run, lawfully, and did not come back with any information. Why is that? Defense attorneys, prosecutors and even Ayala herself has stated that the stop was legal and the officers acted within their lawful duty. Ayala claims her tags are confidential, but legally registered.

Good stop. Officers were courteous and respectful. Nothing to see here.

n david 10-03-2017 11:54 AM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1504788)
True story:

A man was doing yard work, so he wasn't looking his Sunday best. His kids were at grandma's, who lives about 8 houses down the street. She called him and told them that they were ready to come home. He starts walking down the street to her house and a little over half-way, out of nowhere he hears, "WOOP! WOOP!", and a cop pulls up next to him and asks him what he's doing and where he's going. He states that he is walking down to his mother-in-law's house to pick up his kids. The cop asks if he has his license or ID. He doesn't have it on him because he was doing yard work and his wallet was on the table on the foyer of his house. The cop asks him his name and where he lives and begins running his name. At that time, his kids see him and he hears "Daddy! Daddy!", as they run up to greet him. The officer looks "disappointed" as he "click-ity-clack-ities" on the computer in his car and sarcastically says, "Well, I guess it's your lucky day.", and drives off.

Ummm... what gives??? You're not allowed to walk down the street of your own neighborhood to pick up your kids anymore?

Link?

n david 10-03-2017 12:00 PM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1504786)
So, let's all remember to keep waving our flags and singing "God Bless America"... but above all, remember, no sudden moves... or you could easily wind up dead.

Oh good grief. What you're saying in all your rants here is that citizens should be free to confront, resist, make sudden and unannounced moves, refuse to comply and do all this without any fear. Meanwhile, you expect the police to be perfect and never enforce the law, they are to not wear vests for protection from the scumbags who wouldn't bat an eye putting a bullet in their chest, they are not to resort to any kind of force ... even with cause, even if someone reaches down on the floor of their car or under the car seat or if a perp makes any sudden movement.

I wish you would join the force and employ the kind of standards you demand of cops. We'll see how long before your end of watch.

Aquila 10-03-2017 12:08 PM

Re: Kneel, or you're racist!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1504797)
I fail to understand why this was posted.

The tags were run, lawfully, and did not come back with any information. Why is that? Defense attorneys, prosecutors and even Ayala herself has stated that the stop was legal and the officers acted within their lawful duty. Ayala claims her tags are confidential, but legally registered.

Good stop. Officers were courteous and respectful. Nothing to see here.

Not all cops are bad cops.


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