An anrchist takes on big pharma
 

https://www.statnews.com/2017/10/12/...r-drug-prices/

Interesting article......pretty gutsy and admirable. He says he can make the drug to cure Hep C for $800 vs the $84,000 the pharmaceutical industry charges for it.

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Gutsy indeed. lol

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Having spent most of my career in Healthcare, I can say that he is out of his mind.
It is foolish for anyone to attempt to make drugs at home.
We have enough issues with home grown beer and wine poisonings.
Not to mention meth and other agents.
The price issues with drugs are from various sources.
It is not a simple issue.
Prices are set based on research costs, public valuation and purchase of stock or private companies, alternative drug costs, etc...
Companies have a limited time to recoup their investments, before the drug goes generic.
Once a drug is discovered and approved, the cost of producing it are usually minimal.
Those who believe that it should be "free" or cost less, would soon find themselves without new drugs, if the prices were forced to come down.
And I am not even going into how the government and insurance companies totally mask the actual cost of drugs.

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If people are willing to accept the risks because they can't afford much needed medication, shouldn't that be their personal choice?

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I don't think the goal is to have the medication for free. The goal is to reduce the cost of medication. The example given illustrates how a given medication might cost $84 thousand dollars to purchase from pharmaceutical companies. However, it might only cost $800.00 to make. So, essentially a private citizen could make the medication for only $800.00's and perhaps sell it for only $1,000.00's (only a $200 profit). Saves the sick person needing the medication, $83 thousand dollars.

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Ex-DEA agent: Opioid crisis fueled by drug industry and Congress

In the midst of the worst drug epidemic in American history, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's ability to keep addictive opioids off U.S. streets was derailed -- that according to Joe Rannazzisi, one of the most important whistleblowers ever interviewed by 60 Minutes. Rannazzisi ran the DEA's Office of Diversion Control, the division that regulates and investigates the pharmaceutical industry. Now in a joint investigation by 60 Minutes and The Washington Post, Rannazzisi tells the inside story of how, he says, the opioid crisis was allowed to spread -- aided by Congress, lobbyists, and a drug distribution industry that shipped, almost unchecked, hundreds of millions of pills to rogue pharmacies and pain clinics providing the rocket fuel for a crisis that, over the last two decades, has claimed 200,000 lives.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-dea-...-and-congress/

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America has a drug problem...and it's not an ILLEGAL drug problem. We've got too many people on anti-depressants and other mood-altering drugs. We need a spiritual revival like never before. I pray it starts with me in my city.

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You realize that it would be almost impossible for a private citizen to do this?
Even a trained scientist would be hard pressed to put together a private lab in his home and do this.
Also, you realize that this is basically theft, right?
The companies that discovered/invented these drugs spent major dollars to do so.
Now, you want to take the end result of their labor and use it.
It is the same thing as software theft.

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Agreed!
Most of these people on these drugs would be better served going to the gym or doing charity work with people who have it much worse than they do.
Not to take away from some who really do need these drugs.
But which I believe is maybe ten percent of all that are on them.
And maybe one percent.

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She was discussing the opioid crisis. Not the snowflake crisis.

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We can't trust the Government to take care of us. We can't even blindly trust the health care industry, they will give you an addiction for profit.

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This world's system will get what's coming to it. God will destroy the wicked in flaming vengeance with the very fire of His coming.

So glad this world is not my home.

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Those poor, poor pharmaceutical companies. I agree with Michael Laufer, when he said:

“To deny someone access to a lifesaving medication is murder."

He might be a thief. But he's no murderer.

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Amen.

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There should be laws preventing the collusion of these industries with the government, limiting contributions, and limiting influence. Oh, wait. There were at one time. All hail to the reality of corporate personhood!

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whats crazy is that pot was once demonized as a "gateway drug" and now its being used as an "exit drug" to get off of opioid dependency.up to April of 2016 had seen 250,000 deaths of opioid overdoses.Opiods 250,000 Pot 0 not counting instances of impaired judgement.

"No, that plant that you would have to smoke 1500 pounds in 15 minutes to be lethal is bad but Id be glad to refill your scrip for oxy."

Yeah...people need Jesus...they need a church that walks in power and wields the authority its been given.

Oxy and pot have I none but such as I have give I thee....In the name of Jesus Christ....

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Appealing to emotion is not really addressing the issue.

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Now that I can agree with.
Corporations have the same rights as people.
I do not believe the framers intended that.

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They absolutely did not intend for this.

In fact, I firmly believe that this "corporate personhood" thing is the single greatest threat to our democracy. And so, those politicians who favor corporations and corporate power under the guise of being "free market" are truly the one's who pose the greatest danger to our republic.

And when corporations buy politicians to pass laws that favor their agenda, corner the market, and penalize the competition, I don't believe one can truly call that a "free market" anyway.

Strict rules should be applied to limit corporate power. Especially if we want to truly take our democracy back to the way it was intended to be. However, let anyone propose such things and they are instantly labeled and ridiculed as a socialist.

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One can logically justify almost anything. But when you bring the heart and emotions on board, people generally begin to really feel what is right down in their bones.

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I would disagree.
I would say that emotions bring out the worst in us.
"The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked".

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dude keep that heresy off this pentecostal forum lol

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Read the Psalms, feel the emotion, feel the passion. Emotion is one thing that sets us apart from the beasts of the earth. I can make a logical argument for an abortion. I can make a logical argument for eugenics. I can make a logical argument for euthanasia. However, if we allow ourselves to "feel" those choices, we are more likely to make the right choices. You can often feel that something is wrong deep down in your gut even though every argument for it is perfectly logical.

Consider the ministry of Jesus. He didn't preach, speak, or interact like an emotionless robot. He was passionate. He raised His voice, He rebuked, flipped tables, and even wept over the pain of others. Jesus was a man of passion and great emotion!

The verse you quote doesn't mean that we should never allow ourselves to feel our emotions, listen to our emotions, express our emotions, or care about emotion. What it is saying is that we have a sinful and deceitful nature at our core. But, for the born again believer, this isn't the case. God has given us a new heart, made of flesh, and a new Spirit...

Ezekiel 36:26
And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Today, Christians are known for being emotionless, heartless, cruel, unmerciful, unfeeling, and lacking common curtesy. And when we do express emotion, it is generally anger and disgust. I propose to you that Christians should find their hearts and allow their emotions to flow again. Yes, we should "feel" again. We should allow ourselves to be moved with mercy, compassion, righteous indignation towards injustice, and a passion for Jesus.

Those who wish to snuff out your emotions want you to be a robot... for a reason. Because once you eliminate someone's emotions... they are easier to control and to become pawns.

What I say to you, I say to all, FEEL!

I think this is another reason why churches don't like me. Not only do I speak up when I hear something stupid, I'm not above flipping a few tables if the stupidity continues. :happydance

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If the bolded is your worldview, you need to change it.
Emotions are fine, when you use it within the framework laid out in the word of God.
They can lead to trouble when used outside of that context.
I hate to use this as a comparison, but I just finished reading a book by Albert Speer, who was a leader in Hitler's Germany.
He was one of the only leaders who was not executed after the Nuremberg trials.
He spent 20 years in prison, which gave him time to analyze his actions.
What do you think that Hitler and his leaders appealed to in order to gain power.
Emotion.

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Ive had issues with emotional problems in the past and thats why I learned the habit of not trusting feelings and trying to use something other than myself and how I felt to guide my actions. Im uncomfortable with how common emotional manipulation has become in a church setting.

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They appealed to our "darker" emotions. We shouldn't demonize emotion in general. Evil men always appeal to emotions such as fear, racism, patriotism, self-righteousness, superiority, and the justification of killing. However, not all emotional appeals are wrong. What preacher doesn't become emotionally demonstrative when preaching to save the souls of their listeners?

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Just make sure you don't stop and see your reflection in a pool of water or something.

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Michael Laufer stated :

“To deny someone access to a lifesaving medication is murder."

Some would discount this as a meaningless appeal to emotion. However, I highly doubt someone would argue that you shouldn't be so emotional when you're watching a loved one die simply because they couldn't afford the necessary care they needed to prolong or preserve their life. This is why Laufer, and men like him, feel opening up access to these drugs is absolutely necessary.

I find his statement to be quite true morally. To deny someone access to lifesaving medication simply because they don't have cold hard cash is indeed...murder. In fact, it is sacrificing a human life on the altar of financial profit.

There is a glaring deception that is infecting the minds on both the left and the right. On the left, they don't believe it is "murder" to abort a child. On the right, they don't think it is "murder" to deny that same child life saving medication if they were 33 years old and uninsured. We need a "gold standard" on the value of human life. One that goes beyond the paradigms of both the left and the right. One that is... Christian. A value of human life that takes the stand of being dedicated to teaching all of society that we are indeed our brother's keeper.

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Here we go again.
Aways roll this around to the evils of denying everyone the right to any medication that they need.
How about this:
Denying anyone the right to lifesaving salvation is eternal damnation of a soul.
How more important is a soul than life here on earth.
Yet how many times do YOU walk by people and deny them the opportunity to life-saving salvation.
Get off the soapbox about life saving drugs and get to work on saving someones soul.

I was totally headed another way with my answer, but this is what came out.
A - not just directing this to you, but to everyone who reads it.