Jews closer to Muslims than Christians
 

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Meanwhile, half of society comes to a halt for prayer in a Muslim country, whereas half of society abandons church altogether in a Christian society. I think we better get our act together and get ahold of the horns of the altar...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DEFE2DIDZg

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One thing I've noticed...

...most Muslims and most Jews identify with their particular group, based on their belief in God. Most Christians, however, seem to be falling apart at the seams identifying with everything and anything BUT Jesus Christ and His doctrine. What we have NOW is simply not able to stand against the oncoming tide.

The vast majority of Americans who oppose Sharia law and Islam are literally "infidels" by both Islamic AND Christian standards. Fornicating, adulterating, drunken revelling, rah rah rah pro-football and MMA, derp derp muh NRA and 'Murika yee haw yahoos with absolutely ZERO foundation in the Word of God or real faith. Sin all week, drunk on Saturday, and church on Sunday, MAGA! red hat nonsense. But not enough faith to yank their kids out of a communist indoctrination pit called "public sk00l" or actually STUDY their Bible, pray every day, teach their children to trust in and follow Jesus in every area of life... Churches focused on "More! Bigger! Bigger! More! Be relevant and hip and cool! send yo money right now so Prophet Apostle Bishop Pope Evangelist Sissy Snakebucks can get him some whatever", oh and "Don't miss next Sunday service, we're gonna have some stupid 'praise dance' and a sermon on "The Toleration of Dogmatic Relativities - Or, How To Get More Better Bigger Out Of Your Miserable Life".

It's inevitable. MASSIVE persecution, of historical proportions, is coming to the church in the West. Why? Because either God has abandoned the church and it's doomed to die off... or God's going to have to straighten His people out. And prune the vine.

I'm betting on the latter.

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Sooooo,

What are you trying to say?












LOL

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Get your act together

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Bro, it isn't that God abandoned the church or its schisms, it is that like many posters here. They have their own personal Jesus. A Jesus which isn't God, but a god. A Jesus who has long blonde hair, trimmed goatee, and long white robe. Who is an enabler. He overlooks what is being watched on the internet in the dark rooms of the mind. Because after all He knows you are weak, and can't help your flesh. I had an individual who would always tell me that as long as they were in their human flesh they wouldn't be able to get victory over their sin. Churchanity is a business, come as you are and stay as you are. Just keep the lights on, air conditioner and heating going. Keep the programs moving, youth explosion with spinning disco ball in the middle of the sanctuary. The pastor is called Mr Happy, he is nicer than Jesus, and he allows everyone to come to the church to have fun. No condemnation in Christ is spouted by one and all. No judgement zone. A Church like Planet Fitness..is not a church. Because Planet Fitness is not a gym.

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Jesus said that Satan cannot cast out Satan. Because if we were to use demons against demons the demonic kingdom would fall. This is a basic principle in unity. Within Roman Catholicism prior to Vatican II most Catholics were in lock step with each other. Roman Catholic charismatics would of been shut down in a New York minute. Eastern Orthodoxy with all its different groups are still cohesive. Protestantism has nothing like the former, because it is all based on protesting that which came before them. It is all based on coming out of something else. So, just like a cell, it keeps splitting and breaking off to become another form from its prior state. There are 38,000 Christian denominations. By 2025 there will be 55,000. America is the home of new and improved, and therefore we have those who create a new form of Christianity almost on the daily.

It is as done as the dinner dishes.

Hence the reason why we are called "Little Flock"

In every generation there will always be a remnant.

Many are called, but few are chosen. The way is hard to navigate, it is a strait way, not a straight path. The gate is almost closed, where you must press into it. Jesus said that there would be few who ever find it.

Every group wants the big numbers, the big congregations, but the Biblical reality is that there is only a little flock.

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Judaism is based on OPINION.

Three Rabbis in a discussion, how many are wrong? All three, because like its cousin hinduism, all Gurus have their own opinion based on their own perception of the vedas. Same is true with Rabbinical Judaism. Everything Rabbi Tovia Singer says, while based on Talmud, and tradition, it bis still his own personal opinion. That is why like Churchanity (which is Rabbinical Judaism's cousin) has no basis in its scriptures, but is based on its Talmud arguments of its clergy. I personally know Rabbis who are as anti missionary as Tovia, but still wouldn't set a foot in a Muslim masjid. Or would consider the Muslim worshipping the same god they worship. But again, that is their preference based on their perception of Talmudic arguments of sages and rabbis.

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How his experience in Vienna changed a young Hitler from a defender of Jews to their chief critic. I have not researched this myself enough to adequately judge, but this does demonstrate that Hitler's views on Jews did not just appear out of thin air. How things turned out cannot be justified, but this is still interesting....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZopZouX4Q8&t=39s

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Elder Benincasa, thank you for your words. I can always count on you to bring some Biblical balance.

:)

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Off topic. Lol.
Anyway, and Zionism is still thriving and has contaminated the church.

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I see it as being right on topic. Jews are more similar to Muslims than Christians. Both seem to have the destruction of the West as their goal. Now certainly, the latter cannot be said of every single Jew and Muslim. But there is enough of a consensus in both camps to justify speaking in such general terms in the same way Paul did when referring to "the Jews". Hitler wound up becoming irrational and distracted in his obsession with the Jews to the point he actually wound up enabling them. Nevertheless, his view of the danger their presence posed to Europe was correct, generally speaking. The same can be said of Muslims today. The difference is, I can get away with calling Muslims a danger, but not Jews.

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I've noticed that rabbis can get together and debate Torah and traditions all day long. They shout, laugh, "argue", and then... they hug each other's necks as brothers. For the most part, Jews can radically disagree with various interpretations and understandings... yet we rarely see synagogues claiming absolute truth and that other synagogues aren't really Jewish. Those claiming to have absolute pure truth are viewed as being on the margins.

In Islam, it's much the same. Some accept various hadiths as authorative while others don't. However, to main stream Islam, a Muslim is a Muslim. Those claiming to have absolute truth are viewed as being on the radical fringe, and are seen as a danger to even fellow Muslims.

But in both religions they are for the most part united in their diversity.

In Christianity, we don't see such unity (accept in ecumenical circles). It is not uncommon for a church to denounce every other church in town as being in grave error if they have different interpretations of the Scriptures or even different standards of dress. Christianity itself seems like a fragmented mess with each shard claiming absolute truth. They aren't willing to admit that their position is simply their opinion or interpretation.

What this does is it sets the entire "Christian" community into conflict and division. To the seeker, it's like walking into a bar fight. Seekers don't know which church is right or which one is wrong, and each church has a very passionate explanation as to why they are absolutely right and every other church is wrong. Sometimes seekers get so frustrated they just don't know what to believe, so they just quietly walk away and watch the infighting from a distance.

Also, American Christians see Christianity as a social tool to reconstruct society. They use the Christian religion to advance their agenda in politics and nearly all social structures. Western Christians have ceased to embrace Christianity as a deeply personal spiritual path that is disconnected from the world.

Those are my initial thoughts.

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This is my initial thought.

Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one

and this

Leviticus 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

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May I use this? ^^^

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A - I would strongly disagree. Orthodox Jews regard non-orthodox Jews almost the same as they regard Gentiles.
And the Shia and Sunni's believe that the other camp is heretics.
Therefore it is ok to kill them.

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Matthew 10:34 - 36

34) “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35) For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

36) And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.


I don't know how to rationalize it, but maybe all of the division found within Christianity is the WILL of God.

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The sword, the division is to take up your cross and follow Jesus. THIS puts a man at odds against his wife, children, mother, father. You have to love Jesus MORE than anyone else, so much more that you will follow Him when your wife mocks your faith, your children curse you, your parents disown you.

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Of course there are extremists in every religion. Islam is a strange creature. Much of Islamic practice can be regional. Also, differences are often based on politics as much as their religion.

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Christ's words above is primarily about how His Gospel will divide Christian converts from their devoutly Jewish families. Of course, the same could be said if one's family were pagan, or any other religion. This isn't necessarily about Christ Himself bringing division and confusion to the bride.

I believe what divides us are all our human opinions, lists, and interpretations. We're not spiritually mature enough to admit that these things originate from us. Instead, churches demand that their understanding is the absolute truth. In doing this, Oneness believers were cast out of traditional churches. Preterists were cast out of churches they faithfully served their entire lives. Post Tribulation Rapture believers have been disfellowshipped by denominations, ministries, and universities. Churches have different standards and expectations of holiness. They pick and choose what laws apply and what laws don't, each having a different list that applies. They have disfellowshipped over Annihilationism, eternality of the soul, soul sleep, and the nature of Hell. They have slandered and disfellowshipped over keeping the Sabbath or not keeping the Sabbath. Anathemas ring through the air in a cacophony of fighting, insults, slander, bickering, and debate.

If we could just admit for 24 hours that what we believe is truly our "opinion" or our "interpretation" or our "understanding" instead of demanding that it is absolute truth. There might be world peace. lol

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Here's a post of mine that I posted back in 2014. I believe this explains why the body of Christ is so divided.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1306002) It's been said that, "Just a little talk with Jesus makes it right." Well, I tried this. And what happened has left me astounded. I was speaking to the LORD in prayer recently I began to ask Him, "Why are we so divided?", and, "What must I do to be holy?" And this is the message that I felt burning in my heart so hot that I had to simply type it out as the power overwhelmed me… (I paraphrase in that it all came as a block of emotions to my spirit... not necessarily words). So, here it is... my little talk with the LORD.... "Why are we so divided?" "What must I do to be holy?" My child, I will tell you why you are all so divided. It is your religions. They are not of me. Each of you has a list. A list of do’s and don’ts. And each of you think that I authored your respective lists. Baptists have their list, Catholics have their lists, Pentecostals have their lists, Methodists have their lists, Lutherans have their lists, Charismatics have their lists, Messianics have their lists, Episcopals have their lists… each list is different. I’m not a God of confusion. Each list is a doctrine of man. Some say you must keep the Ten Commandments that I delivered to Moses to give to my people. Some of you expand upon these and add feast days, Sabbaths, dietary regulations, linguistic nuances of eccentricity wherein you think you are shown to be wise, yet you are looking foolish in your conceits. You want to be so much like my people… but not like me. You fail to realize… I’m the eternal, the constant, the source; the Alpha, the Omega, the beginning, the ending, the all in all, the great I AM that I AM… I’m not Catholic, Protestant, or Evangelical… neither am I Jewish. I’m GOD. Still some of you have codified my teachings into a strict body of church law in which you seek to please me by changing your “behavior”… but not your “being”. Teachings of mine were for spiritual development, they were not intended to be turned into dry do’s and don’ts to maintain a religious status quo. Then some of you codified the methods with which I addressed issues in Israel or the first generation of churches... making them “commandments” instead of seeing the spirit behind the reasoning. A reasoning that endures in any context, be it time or culture. Then you added historical traditions established by various religious leaders and founders. You codified congregation structures, financial models, added liturgies, added dietary regulations, added special days of worship, added dress codes, even added prohibitions on both men and women I never required. Each of you has these LISTS! Stop trying to please me by living these man-made lists! They divide you because you measure yourselves against one another based on your respective man-made LISTS. Ask the Pharisee to list exactly what must be done to please me! Let him present his list! And suddenly you’ll see another Pharisee argue against something on the first Pharisee’s list, or seek to add something from their list to it!!! Eventually they are all squabbling over which commandments on which list has to be obeyed and which do not! Why? It is because the spirit of legalism leaves you awash in the sea of subjective personal interpretation wherein one man’s interpretation is just as good as another’s. Yet you cling to them because you think they make you “holy”. These lists don’t make you holy. What makes you Holy is… ME. You see… I am the Vine, and you are the branches. You are called to be living extensions of me… not living extensions of the ancient nation of Israel, your given church, or your given denomination. You are called to be conformed into the image and likeness of Christ… not the image and likeness of your respective church, movement, or denomination. When you live by their LISTS… you are becoming like them… NOT like me. And so you ask… How do I become like you? I, the LORD, shall answer you this day. Let him who has an ear, let him hear!!!... The answer is in the very nature of my being my beloved. You see… I AM… love. When you are loving, gracious, forgiving, kind, compassionate, patient, long suffering, temperate, and giving… you are being like Me. Do you wish to fulfill “the law”??? DON’T live by it. Find its core. Find its essence. Find my reason for delivering said laws in their given contexts. You’ll discover that it is because I was teaching many different things… but the core was and always has been… MY love. Love me my child. Love me with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. And demonstrate your love for me by loving others as yourself. If you do this you will have fulfilled the essence of MY law. If there is any other commandment ever brought to your attention, know this… it is fulfilled in this single statement, “Love thy neighbor as thyself.” In this you do no wrong… and in loving… you become like me… the one who is love itself. So be not swayed by their LISTS. Do not be deceived by their vain and eccentric verbiage. Do not emulate a nation, a denomination, or a church. Instead… emulate Me and you will find rest for your souls. Love Me with all your being… and show me that you love Me by loving others as yourself. The only commandment I give you is this… LOVE. For love will not murder, steal, covet, slander, commit adultery, rage, revenge, or blaspheme. Love will set every day aside as holy… because love seeks to give absolute devotion every single day without end. I am not impressed with your LISTS. First, your lists all differ. And second, you don’t even keep your own lists perfectly! This makes you hypocrites of the worst kind. Why do you do this to yourselves??? Do you really think I’m IMPRESSED by anything you do? Am I impressed by any cherry picked LIST of commandments you’ve chosen to embrace… at the expense of others that you chose not to? Do you really think I’m going to open the books and judge you by each of your respective lists???! Will I judge according to dress code, hairstyles, feast days, and your labored mispronunciations of an ancient language??? Will I praise you for acting Jewish… even though if the truth were to be told… you don’t have a single drop of Hebrew blood in your body??? No. When you stand before Me… I will only seek to know two things: Did you love me with all your being? Did you seek to show your love for me by loving others as yourself? And you’ll then begin to see how your LISTS hindered you from loving your neighbors. You will see how your lusts, adulteries, thievery, slander, etc. are not rooted in failing to obey a rule on a LIST… but in your failure to LOVE. For love does no harm to the object of its affection. So I leave you with this… become like Me. Be conformed into the very image and likeness of Jesus Christ, my beloved Son. And in this you will find true holiness. In this you will find the law of liberty… the law of LOVE. You will have discovered… ME.

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This link may be interesting for you to look at:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...di-arabia.html

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You should watch Jews go after each other. Especially chabadniks. They LOVE to blast chabadniks. And Zionists.

The point in the original video, though, was to show that although Christians often feel a close affinity with or for Jews, Jews generally have more affinity with or for Muslims (with whom they are practically at war) than with Christians.

According to Orthodox Judaism, Christians are idolaters - except JWs, Christadelphians, unitarians, and others who deny the Deity of Christ. Whereas Muslims are not. In fact, the only problem between Islam and Judaism is the Palestine/Israeli state issue, which is related to jihad. Jews have generally gotten along just fine in Muslim countries, unless the Palestine/Israeli issue is in play.

Of course, Muslims blow each other up on a routine basis as well...