Christians persecuted during the Trib are blessed
 

A teaching circulating on AFF states that allowing his saints to suffer physical persecution during the Tribulation would amount to Christ terrorizing his bride.

But what does the Bible say about these suffering and sometimes martyred heroes?




These people are not counted as weak, defeated and forsaken by God. Rather, they are called BLESSED ! They are not found going "limp as wet noodles" in the slightest. They are overcoming Satan by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony.

As saints and those holding to the testimony of Jesus, they will not be among those hiding in the caves from the wrath of the Lamb as depicted in Revelation 6 (which is actually depicting what happens in Matthew 24-29-31). These are saints who are not objects of God's wrath and thus do not fear it.

The insane misrepresentation of the Post-Trib position being promoted by a false teacher on this board is found to be extremely self-contradictory. On the one hand, the false teaching declares that the persecution of the Tribulation is a result of being left behind at the so-called "pre-trib rapture" and that the saints could never endure it. Yet, the false teacher, while quoting Revelation 14:12-13, completely misses the fact that the "left behind Tribulation saints" are facing this test of their faith with valor and boldness, being referred to as BLESSED! How could these left-behind, second-class Christians be found able to endure that which the "pre-Tribulation , already raptured bride" could not?

The person teaching this nonsense need not try to be a teacher as he/she has not learned the basic laws of biblical interpretation.

Furthermore, the false teacher compares the Tribulation to the time of Noah's flood. This is another example of poor hermeneutics. The flood was wrath. It destroyed the entire population of the planet minus 8 souls. The "Tribulation", which begins 3-1/2 years into the last 7 years, and lasts right at 3-1/2 years, is primarily that....TRIBULATION for the Saints. Sure, there will be some judgments as well. But what Jesus likened unto the "Days of Noah" was NOT the Tribulation, but the coming of the Son of Man as Christ depicted in Matthew 24-29-31, the ONLY coming taught by Christ in Matthew 24. That coming will bring with it the same kind of swift annihilation that the flood of Noah brought. A scant few will survive and remain to be ruled by Christ and the Saints in the 1000 year reign. When Christ returns as depicted in Matthew 24:29-31, saints having passed through the Tribulation will be being changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, rising to meet their Lord in the air.

False teachers and prophets should not be afforded the courtesy of a direct reply. We must do what the Bible says and not even bid them Godspeed.

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15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



Good luck standing against the wrath of almighty God, my post trib brethren.

I suggest buying property in the mountains to hide.

Every person is listed here.

Scary stuff.

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....better hope that preterists are right and Rev. happened 2000 years ago, because post tribbers are in for some big time trouble, never seen since the beginning of the world or ever will be.


Wherefore, attempt to comfort yourselves with your doctrine.

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As all can see, false teachers simply ignore passages that contradict their false doctrine. If their self-contradiction is pointed out, they simply ignore it and double-down on their lies. False teachers often have this trait of an ego-maniac. Ego is more important than truth. Those who reject their teachings are rejecting them (in their minds), so they lash out with more false-doctrine. It is better to never address them directly as this is the type of attention they crave. Rather, point out the error of their teaching and ignore the ego, letting it starve.

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For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first....17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



Revelation 4King James Version (KJV)

4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.



(Here)After the trumpet sounds.

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Funny(interesting) how the 7 churches disappear out of earthly view after chapter 3.

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1 Coronthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

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So simple. So beautiful. So uncomplicated. Just let scripture interpret scripture.

God with them until the end, giving them grace to endure martyrdom, as he did Stephen.

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The Tribulation saints will overcome the enemy by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm148A78TU8

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Yes this destroys the "wife beater" type concept the modern day pre tribbers have come up with.

Its very crucial to understand the case of the 144 thousand. They are in the midst of the wrath of God being poured out on Earth. Yet they are SEALED against it. Gods wrath will not touch them.

These God is able to bless and keep from his wrath and even satans wrath (according as his will may be) even tho his wrath is falling on others.

And pre tribs accept this for the "bottom tier" type left behind Christians they believe in but reject the idea God could do the same for his end time overcomers!


The whole concept of the wrath of God gets misunderstood when people forget there are DEGREES of the wrath of God. It is on some right now. He can bring wrath against who he pleases any time.

In the days of Paul he said the wrath of God had come on the Jews TO THE UTTERMOST! 1 Thess 2:15-16.

15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

So God was able in the first century to direct his wrath EXACTLY to whom he desired while others may not have even noticed.

I see Gods wrath coming upon the Earth, and specifically on the sinners all through the tribulation. It just gets MORE as time goes on.

And then after the sinners are killed by his wrath they will still have to face the Mighty God at the seat of judgment and be cast into the fires of Hell for their destruction.....which is then THE APEX OF HIS WRATH.

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So pretribbers think posttribbers are wrong cause pretribbers cant wrap their heads around God having precision aiming with His Wrath o matic.

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If there was a wrathomatic(good one), it would tell us.

Contrarily, it shows Gods wrath on all the world, and the Trib saints under the same wrath ...and to make things worse, the saints subjected to the wrath of the man of sin.

The only ones to not be touched in scripture by the first plagues are 144,000 Jews of the 12 tribes of Israel.

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....3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

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....3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

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The rest of mankind are open game to the locusts.

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We are not appointed to wrath. Correct?

How did God protect his people during the Egyptian plagues. But again, there is not much cataclysmic going on until the very end.

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This means, anyone that is not one of the 144,000 Jews will be tormented 5 months, lest the Bible is wrong.

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Figurative or literal?

Jews have so much mixed blood now that there is no way to distinguish tribal affiliation.

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Why only 144,000 Jews are sealed and nobody else escapes the locusts?

Easy, God is making trib saints when they suffer such agony, to be ready for the 3 angels in chapter 14, and to help accept death at the hands of antichrist.

All human beings of all the families of the earth will have a clear grasp of what is happening on the earth, after chapter 14.

Before the tribulation ends, God will have to shorten the days and return, to stop the complete destruction of mankind and the nation of Israel(His elect).

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Literal.

They were scattered at or before the time of the 400 silent years.

Acts 2 depicts some of these Jews at pentecost.

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They were not protected until God separated Goshen from Egypt from the 4th plague on.

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Nevertheless, they were not objects of wrath, and were protected. We need not read a secret rapture into the text that is not there in order to ensure God will take care of his people. This does not mean, as one false accuser and teacher claims, that post-tribbers believe there will some sort of bubble or force field around God's people. Such statements are misrepresentations and meant to sow discord.

Christians often die now in natural disasters such as earthquakes and typhoons. Does that mean God did not take care of them? No. So certainly that will not change during the Tribulation. But nowhere does it say that all Trib saints are going to be killed by the Anti-Christ. Just as miracles of provision and protection happen now as God decides, so will they happen then.

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So, most trib saints will get killed by the antichrist and tortured by the "scorpions". except the days are shortened, then no flesh will be saved.

The 144,000 Jews will likely be killed mid trib.

It is just a mess.

No wonder Jesus said it is unprecedented in the history of the world or ever will be.

Nothing to look forward to or glory in for post tribbers.

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Well first off, to live is Christ and to die is but gain so you can go ahead and write that one down.

Secondly, this is about the search for Truth and not trying to find the least painful outcome or result.

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If you believe the church will face the great tribulation and wrath of God, then yes, you believe God to be a bride beater and spouse abuser.

There is a major difference -- which some still cannot comprehend -- between trials and persecution by men and the tribulation and wrath of God.

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There is no debating against the kool aid drinkers. Especially when that kool aid is sent by God...

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We are both okay with dying, but being killed by satan's antichrist is not okay.

God let's him off the leash to get folks.

Also, God's wrath kills most of earth's population, which is not how I want to die either.

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Oh, now pre-tribbers are "Jim Jones"....LOL

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This is like a poorly writ Syfy movie. Well, they’re all poorly writ.

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Post of 2018!!! :yourock

Before it's time !! Lol