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Sean 12-05-2017 07:23 PM

Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Will Jerusalem become the "official" capital of Israel soon?


Luke 21:24King James Version (KJV)

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.



Trump thinks so....


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...wTa88eSVQ1gbWC



Another piece of the puzzle fits into place of the ending of the trodding down of Jerusalem by gentiles?:nod

TyronePalmer 12-05-2017 07:35 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511788)
Will Jerusalem become the "official" capital of Israel soon?


Luke 21:24King James Version (KJV)

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.



Trump thinks so....


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...wTa88eSVQ1gbWC



Another piece of the puzzle fits into place of the ending of the trodding down of Jerusalem by gentiles?:nod

That's what it looks like! And then if Trump doesn't sign the six month waiver the Embassy will be moved to Jerusalem as well.

The pot is stirring, and don't forget the peace treaty, if Obama steps back on the scene to broker the peace deal watch out!

Sean 12-05-2017 07:40 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
70 years of failed negotiations are now over.


We are seeing the most powerful nation in the history of the world declaring a restored capital of Jerusalem to a restored Israel.

Now I see the reason Trump won....timing.

Sean 12-05-2017 07:42 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Luke 21:24King James Version (KJV)

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.



Romans 11:25King James Version (KJV)

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Sean 12-05-2017 08:50 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
It would be unfathomable for any President of the United States to ever declare Jerusalem the capital of the State of Israel.

God waited until the right time to put a man in office that was not a politician to defeat a politician who was supposed to win by a landslide.

Jerusalem has been held captive by the US gentile, world power until right now.

Notice the headline news of the world.

The prophet said Jerusalem/Israel would be an ensign to the world.

It is.....



Zechariah 12

Sean 12-06-2017 07:19 AM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it....



http://video.foxnews.com/v/5669091069001/

n david 12-06-2017 09:58 AM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511788)
Will Jerusalem become the "official" capital of Israel soon?

Jerusalem has been the official capital of Israel from the beginning in 1949. The Knesset was formed and has always met in Jerusalem.

Trump is simply acknowledging what has been true for the past 68 years -- the capital and seat of the Israeli government is in Jerusalem.

n david 12-06-2017 09:58 AM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Today at 1:00 p.m. EST, President Donald J. Trump will make a major announcement on Jerusalem. Watch live here at 1:00 p.m. EST.

Originalist 12-06-2017 10:51 AM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
More "prophetic" hype over a city God refers to as "Sodom" and the "Synagogue of Satan". The only reason God is gathering the Jews back to the land is so he can judge them. Only a remnant will be saved. Yet the church grovels and bows before some of the most anti-Christian people on the planet. Wake up!!

n david 12-06-2017 11:06 AM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1BRKjLEnPDdJw

Trump giving a statement now

Sean 12-06-2017 12:09 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1511822)
More "prophetic" hype over a city God refers to as "Sodom" and the "Synagogue of Satan". The only reason God is gathering the Jews back to the land is so he can judge them. Only a remnant will be saved. Yet the church grovels and bows before some of the most anti-Christian people on the planet. Wake up!!

Which your quote is in direct opposition to Zech 12.

Sean 12-06-2017 12:13 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1511819)
Jerusalem has been the official capital of Israel from the beginning in 1949. The Knesset was formed and has always met in Jerusalem.

Trump is simply acknowledging what has been true for the past 68 years -- the capital and seat of the Israeli government is in Jerusalem.

You mean 1967?

Sean 12-06-2017 12:21 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
The international community has never recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital...



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...z2g76EC2DRScc-



However, Trump is now forcing them to deal with it(good or bad).

Sean 12-06-2017 12:25 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

The only reason God is gathering the Jews back to the land is so he can judge them. Only a remnant will be saved

Which contradicts this also.....



31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Sean 12-06-2017 12:35 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Wow, I am not the only one that thinks this....


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...ite-house.html

TGBTG 12-06-2017 06:46 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Sean, does this mean Trump is the antichrist?

TGBTG 12-06-2017 06:48 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511836)
Which contradicts this also.....



31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Umm..this has already happened

n david 12-06-2017 09:51 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511831)
You mean 1967?

No, the Knesset first convened in Jerusalem on 2/14/1949.

Originalist 12-06-2017 09:54 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Fortunately, discerning Christians know better....

Quote:

the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Rev. 11:8)
Quote:

And concerning Israel, Isaiah the prophet cried out, "Though the people of Israel are as numerous as the sand of the seashore, only a remnant will be saved. (Romans 9:27)

Sean 12-06-2017 10:57 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1511892)
Umm..this has already happened

When?

Sean 12-06-2017 10:58 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1511890)
Sean, does this mean Trump is the antichrist?

Not at all. Just a step towards Zech 12.

Sean 12-06-2017 11:06 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1511900)
Fortunately, discerning Christians know better....

Romans 9..... 1st century Israel.

Romans 11.... Ending in last century Israel.

Know better.

Esaias 12-06-2017 11:24 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE!!!!





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Oh, wait...

TGBTG 12-06-2017 11:39 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511903)
When?

The life, death, and resurrection of Christ.

Heb 8 through 10 explains how the new covenant established by Christ is the fulfillment of Jer 31:31-34

Sean 12-06-2017 11:46 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
That is replacement theology you are espousing.

TGBTG 12-06-2017 11:53 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511913)
That is replacement theology you are espousing.

Call it whatever you want. All I did was point out that Heb 8 through 10 provides a thorough explanation on how Jer 31 was fulfilled.

What do you think Heb 8 through 10 is talking about then?

Sean 12-07-2017 06:43 AM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Jer 31/Heb 8 was not fulfilled. That is the return of Christ and the saving of them all.

You stole their promise.

Sean 12-07-2017 06:47 AM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Heb 10:15-17 only "Includes" the church in their future promise, in a partial way.

Sean 12-07-2017 07:08 AM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
You see, we are included in a "dark glass" view of the reign/millennium of Jesus Christ and what He will do for them.

He will save them all, but in the 1st century etc., only saved a few of them and a few of us gentiles.

Amanah 12-07-2017 10:03 AM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
For Trump, an Embassy in Jerusalem Is a Political Decision, Not a Diplomatic One

WASHINGTON — Ten days before Donald J. Trump took office, Sheldon G. Adelson went to Trump Tower for a private meeting. Afterward, Mr. Adelson, the casino billionaire and Republican donor, called an old friend, Morton A. Klein, to report that Mr. Trump told him that moving the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem would be a major priority.

“He was very excited, as was I,” said Mr. Klein, the president of the Zionist Organization of America, a hard-line pro-Israel group. “This is something that’s in his heart and soul.”

The two men had to wait nearly a year, but on Wednesday, Mr. Trump stood beneath a portrait of George Washington to announce that he was formally recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and setting in motion a plan to move the embassy to the fiercely contested Holy City.

“While previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise,” he said, “they failed to deliver. Today, I am delivering.”

For Mr. Trump, the status of Jerusalem was always more a political imperative than a diplomatic dilemma. Faced with disappointing evangelical and pro-Israel backers like Mr. Adelson, or alarming allies and Arab leaders while jeopardizing his own peace initiative, the president sided with his key supporters.

The Adelsons have long been leading donors to pro-Israel groups and causes, and have forged a close relationship with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. They have used their casino fortune to push the Republican Party and its politicians to embrace that line.

Early in Mr. Trump’s campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, he privately courted the Adelsons, seeking a meeting and asking for financial support, even as he publicly declared that he did not need or want backing from major donors.

In March 2016, Mr. Trump sought to burnish his credentials as a friend of Israel, telling the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful pro-Israel lobbying group, “We will move the American embassy to the eternal capital of the Jewish people, Jerusalem.”

The Adelsons were persuaded and donated $20 million to a political action committee that supported Mr. Trump’s campaign, and another $1.5 million to the committee that organized the Republican convention.

Since Mr. Trump took office, Mr. Adelson has communicated with him regularly, talking by phone and visiting the White House, and has used his access to push the relocation of the embassy. But he was not the only influential advocate of the move.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...a8k&ocid=ientp

Sean 12-07-2017 10:20 AM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Diplomats are professionals taught to make folks think that having a hole in the head is having an open mind.

The diplomats have lifetime jobs that never find solutions to problems.

Historically, most problems have been solved militarily, not diplomatically.

Sean 12-07-2017 03:07 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
This post has Zech 12 written all over it....


http://start.att.net/news/read/categ...move_on_jer-ap



The nations of the region hate the thought of Jerusalem's recognition as the Israeli capital.

This will not die down.

TGBTG 12-07-2017 04:50 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511932)
Jer 31/Heb 8 was not fulfilled. That is the return of Christ and the saving of them all.

You stole their promise.

Jer 31 is a prophecy

Heb 8 is NOT a prophecy. It's the fulfillment. The writer of Hebrews clearly says in verse 13 that Jer 31 was fulfilled.

Heb 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Sean 12-07-2017 05:12 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
You conveniently skipped the parts that have nothing to do with you....


Hebrews 8: 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.



I caught you.

Sean 12-07-2017 05:15 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
This was indeed a prophecy, because very few were saved in the 1st century(not all, as the scripture says).

God does not kid with His promise.


They will even cease to witness to one another, saying "know the Lord".

Isn't that awesome?

Sean 12-07-2017 05:20 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
Now, notice the writer of Hebrews addressing the church, concerning the verse.....



Hebrews 10:15-18King James Version (KJV)

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.




This is our inclusion into THEIR future covenant, promised to them in chapter 8(and Jer 31).

houston 12-07-2017 05:38 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
We were grafted in, Sean. The first fruits of Israel were already taken. There is no last fruits end time harvest.

In your doctrine Jews were cut off from the tree to be regrafted at the end of time.

Sean 12-07-2017 05:47 PM

Re: Luke 21:24 fulfillment/one step closer today
 
We were grafted into God(via their future covenant), not grafted into the Jews.

Sean 12-07-2017 05:50 PM

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23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.


Houston, look.



They will believe at the return of Christ to save them, per Zech 14.

Sean 12-08-2017 08:45 AM

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...ABtJfXeJoC66TJ


Ahmad Tibi, an Arab lawmaker in Israel’s Knesset, said Friday as a crowd began to gather at the city’s Damascus Gate. “Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine and that is the way peace can prevail."


This will never die down, until the Lord returns.


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