Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 

Baptism is so vital that the jailer, who was willing to kill himself due to the prisoners like Paul and Silas being out of the prison, was willing the LEAVE that prison and risk his neck to get baptized.

Now, how in the world is that making baptismal unnecessary for the actual salvation if this guy who wanted to kill himself rather than be caught letting prisoners out actually goes out WITH THEM, further risking his neck, to get baptized? He would have been baptized later when it was safer!!!

Those who think water baptism is not absolutely vital cannot answer that!

(Mic drop)

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Yes, sir!!!

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It’s essential.

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How did that go? It’s essential but not salvific?

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Risking someone's life for something not "salvific" when it could be done later, is a little offkey to me. (exggaerating - it's huge!) lol

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IDK. I recall sitting in an A of G some 9 1/2 years ago. The teaching pastor encouraged people to get baptized. He stressed that there were so many benefits to baptism. Didn’t seem that he could really explain the benefits. Lol.

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:thumbsup

I can. SALVATION! :D

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Forgiveness of sins. Circumcision of the heart. Identifying with His burial and resurrection.

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His NAME is Jesus!

Look no further than the "Great Commission"

"Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them..."
"He that believes and IS BAPTIZED..."
And there is, of course, this other great benefit: the REMISSION of sins!

Some folks, even pastors now, refuse to read the scriptures.

Brother Villa

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Baptism into his death! :D

.. so that we're dead and therefore freed from sin. This means sin shall not have dominion over us any more. And it's what Peter said about baptism in 1 Peter 3 through 4, where we put on the mind of Christ and realize that if we died with Him we need not live to sin any more.

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That, too. I knew I was missing something. Kinda rusty. I was PCI for a few years.. then went Reformed Baptist, and made full circle. Quite the experience.

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Sooooo you have come back to the "truth"?......:whistle

Buy the truth and sell it not!

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You all better watch it, Originalist will stop talking to you.

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Critic, be gone.

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:happydance

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I don't have an exact belief concerning baptism along apostolic lines neither is the following an exact of what I believe but:

Without knowing the jailers knowledge of salvation, in his mind in order to obtain the same he might have been fully persuaded to be baptized. How many converts do the same today because their heart has been made right with God that they are too persuaded to be baptized with little or no knowledge of the scripture.

And before everyone jumps on what Paul and Silas told him to do unless my memory is blurred, there was no HG tongues required to be saved. Correction, it is recorded.....believe on the Lord.

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Not altogether correct.

Act 16:31-33 KJV....And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. ..(32)....And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. ..(33)....And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

After we read of them speaking of his need to be saved by faith, we then read these vita words: "And they spake unto him the word of the Lord."

It was after this we read they baptized him the same hour of the night after he washed their stripes. Obviously the baptism was all about what they spoke to him in that session. It was then that they fully informed him of the knowledge he required for salvation.

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Bye Sean.

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Amen, exactly. They preached, they taught, they explained.

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Amen :thumbsup

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(runs and picks up mic ...tap....tap....is this thing on?)

A man walks Into a bar carrying jumper cables...so the bartender says, "Hey, buddy, don't start anything in here."

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:thumbsup :yourock

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Exactly. I mean, Peter couldn't get much clearer than this:

1 Peter 3:20-21

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

I guess ol' Petey was just mistaken.

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HAHAHAHAHA!!!! That is funny!!

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Water baptism IN JESUS NAME is a must!

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Acts 4:12
12..Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

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Depends on what the meaning of EIS is.

I’d like your answer, though I think I already know the answer.

Ok. I don’t know how to ask... I’ll just type anyway. Before I was baptized I was taught the purpose for baptism. They were not going to baptize me without going over it. So, I believed (faith) that my sins would be forgiven during baptism. And I was baptized.

Others teach that baptism is just for (list of reasons), but forgiveness of sins is not one of them. If they do not believe that baptism is for the remission of sin, is their baptism in vain? Are their sins forgiven?

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Maybe I've read too many Campbellite authors but I tend to believe that a person must intend to have their sins remitted by the blood in water baptism in order for it to be a genuinely apostolic baptism. In other words, the person being baptized should understand that baptism is "when" one's sins are washed away, by calling upon the Lord in faith.

However, I suspect that a person who only thinks in terms of "Jesus said do it, I want to follow Him, so I'm doing it" is probably covered. I do think if a person believes they are getting baptized as a public statement they have already been saved (Baptist type baptism) then their baptism is highly irregular at best, and possibly invalid.

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Thanks for your reply

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Just so the KJV Nazis don’t get upset, the best way to explain the EIS “for” is with Matthew 26:28. Jesus’ blood wasn’t shed because their sins were already remitted. His blood is for the remittance. Therefore Acts 2:38 follows this.

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KJV Nazi's?

You despise the KJV that much?

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Excellent!

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Shut up already. Please. Thanks.

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awesome post, thank you!

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By your post, I assume you believe everyone who mentions grammar nazis automatically hates grammar? :ohplease

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Now, if we had more posts like these. :thumbsup

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Don't respond to that guy. :)

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Ah, your Kung Fu is very good.

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I’m trying my best Elder.

It is like having a fly land on your nose.

Swat it, or let it sit there.

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Is "Nazi" good terminology for KJV enthusiasts?

Do you know that the Nazis were responsible for despicable acts of barbarism and millions of deaths?

Is that what you guys think of us?