YÁohu ulhÍm
 

Recently we had a pastor friend go into a doctrine that teaches that this is God's name? Can anyone help me to try to help them understand that this is not God's name?

This is what they sent me....
http://soaverdadetelibertara.blogspo...s-dos.html?m=1


Thanks for any thoughts along these lines...

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Your pastor friend is going Sacred Name in a big way.

Is this pastor an Apostolic?

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ANOTHER item on the sacred name menu?

Yahweh. Yahuah. Yahvah. Yahveh. Iahu. Iabe. Yahuwahu. Now Yaohu?

How is this not CONFUSION?

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Yes he was...This group has "documents" so they say to prove their Sacred Name...

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Is this a deception to divide the body of Christ even further?

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Does he still believe the New Testament?
Or does this group believe that the New Testament was incorrectly translated from Hebrew to Greek? What Portuguese translation do they use?

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He uses Joao Almeida translation. I would say that he still believe the NT. He told me the name of the son is not Jesus....so sad....I sent him a few things that I have but he seems headstrong in that doctrine....II wish I could help him....

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Sorry, I just looked at the website again you posted. They believe that the New Testament was originally written in Hebrew. Sister is this group causing you guys some issues? This isn't the first time you posted this on the forum? Are you are looking to take these guys on in a debate? Are you looking to teach your church family and ministers to square off with these chaps? I don't suggest that you, your husband, or your saints get involved in any hair pulling contest with these people. I'll tell you why later, but first the New Testament was originally written in Greek. It wasn't originally penned in Hebrew. We not only have no physical evidence of a Hebrew New Testament, but surrounding historical evidence, is pretty slim. Internally, the New Testament quotes from not only Aramaic Targums, but a Hebrew and Greek translation of the Old Testament which predates the Masoretic text. Jesus quoted from the Septuagint LXX, The Isaiah scroll He read in His home town, was a portion from the Septuagint. Jesus came from a place called Galilee of the Gentiles. Greek was the language of world commerce, Latin was the language of the Western Roman Empire, while Greek was spoken in the near east and middle eastern part of the Roman empire. Keep in mind that in Egypt, Cleopatra was a Greek/Egyptian. Alexandria held the largest concentration of Judeans outside of Judea. Jesus is taken to Egypt when He was young and lived amongst the Diaspora Judeans who spoke Greek. Sepphoris Σέπφωρις was located in walking distance from Nazareth. Where Jesus and His family needed to go for commerce. This town was an administrative center for the Roman Empire. I said all that to say this, Jesus lived in an extremely Hellenized Romanized Middle East. Jesus told emphatically that His message of the Gospel was to be preached in all the world. This definitely couldn't be achieved in Aramaic, definitely not in Hebrew. It had to be achieved in the world language of Greek. The language of commerce, and eastern Roman government.

We have a library of documents called the New Testament originally penned in Greek, quoting 300 times a Greek Old Testament. Sacred Name, "some" Yeshuaites, and Hebrew Rootists believe that the New Testament can only be understood in a Hebrew or Aramaic form. They place like Gee Haw witnesses a "sacred name" into the New Testament, with the skewed understanding that "well, Yeshua had to of spoken Hebrew! He was a Jew." We have young people and adults who can't speak a word of Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, or Greek. Their parents speak the language, but never felt to teach it to their children. Or since their children were "Americanized" they didn't see any point for them to learn their once native tongue. Yet, I know many Spanish, Brazilian, Italians, and Greeks who can speak at least two languages. The language of their nativity, and the language of where they currently live. Some very fluent, some not so fluent, to some getting by with just enough.

Jesus was a Judean, He spoke Aramaic, Greek, Hebrew, and very, very likely Latin. His world was a cosmopolitan world which had commercial traders from the entire Roman empire funnel through it. Jesus read from a Greek Old Testament which the book of Joshua was entitled Ἰησοῦς/Jesus. The name of Jesus is preserved for over 2,000 years in Greek. In the country you currently live the people have been calling Jesus, Jesus since 16th century?
Calling God, Deus since the 16th century. So, now some Johnny come lately Yaohu is supposed to replace what we have spoken for thousands of years? Jesus now not only hid this information from us for thousands of years, but His New Testament documents aren't even correct? These documents couldn't even get His name right? We are supposed to believe that the rest of the documents are therefore sound, and correct? No, sister, the Hebrew Rootist doesn't get to have his Pão de queijo and eat it too. Because his ideology works against him. If the name of God has been wrong in Portuguese, and in the original Greek? Then my dear sister, you HAVE NO NEW TESTAMENT.

So, in the immortal words of Elder Steven Epley "these guys can't even order a hot dog in Hebrew." Seriously,here you have a group of people who were probably taught that the Hebrew was God's main focus. They had a Hebrew God, a Hebrew Christ, as nice warm water. They floated around being told that one day God would restore Israel complete with its language. So, why so surprised when you start seeing Dispensationalists go native? Want to start calling the books of the Bible in Hebrew, the days of the months Hebrew, the months Hebrew. Apostles Hebrew names, the books of the New Testament Hebrew names. Since it is a snowball effect, and I strongly suggest your people steer clear of this group. No debates are necessary, because they are troublemakers who now view you and the apostolic people as messed up and daughters of the Catholic church.

I have watched this movement barbeque congregations. All because the congregations were already pumped and primed to accept the Yahwist message.

It hurts, but prayer and teaching your saints is the only way to stop the spread of the Medieval Anti-Missionaries message against Christ.

I will be keeping you all in prayer.

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Wow, the Portuguese KJV. It has Jesus Cristo? It calls God, Deus. Therefore your pastor acquaintance has to now come up with his own translation. Sister, sorry about your once friend. But sadly, he is slipping into darkness.

Well, he is no longer afforded that luxury. Because he has now admitted to the free thinking world around him that for 500 years in Portuguese, and over 2,000 years in Greek it was all banged up. Hey, they couldn't even get the Messiah's name right? How are we expected to believe the rest of the story isn't pieced together to fit some Roman Catholic conspiracy? Oh, but the Rabbis are the ones to come and save the day? They will have us sit at their feet while they teach us the Truth about the New Testament. Sister Alvear, I am so sorry for your friend.

Well, too bad, because he has unknowingly opened a can O worms.
A virtual Judaic Pandora's box which he doesn't have the sense to shut. Oh, maybe he will come out of all this with his belief system kinda Christian. But the rest of the group? Sorry, but usually the followers and those who are on the fringe of this group, don't fair too well.


Sister don't send him anything, but prayers. He looks at you as a Roman Catholic Neanderthal dragging your GENTILE knuckles through the dirt. Anything you send him is gentile papal propaganda. He sees you, and us as the problem, not the solution. How long has he been a "pastor?"

That's a nice thought, but one that can only come through prayer and love.
He has to help himself. He must realize that the whole sacred name issue is just a word jumble. He has to figure out that Jesus' name in Greek isn't some twisted plot of a Jesuit ghoul looking to supplant true Christianity. That everything Hebrew isn't heavenly divine. He has to come to that understanding. How old is he?

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Brother, Can you write me a Bible study to send him...No I am not going to debate him...but at least by sending a Bible study I can feel like I have tried to help but mostly I want a good study to help others that he is contacting....thank you...

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Teaching your people is nice, but how old is this pastor, and how log has he been pastoring? Just a question based on my own curiosity

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Oh my he is probably 50 or near that...He at one time before I knew him was UPCI and then for some reason moved to another state...someone from our church met him and told him we too baptized in Jesus Name. He after a time moved away from our state and started a little work with our blessing where he moved to...and seemed to be doing well...but some of kin got mixed up in that doctrine and I guess he started studying it...He was having secret meetings teaching it when we found out....Actually he is a nice person...but people over here are very easy to fall into whatever....We would like to have something to give out to our people. Very sad to see people fall into false doctrine.

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Sister, he isn't a nice person.

I just wanted to say that, he isn't cool either.

I'll put something together but I suggest you no longer waste your time with him. That's just my opinion, the decisions to cut communications are totally up to your husband. But Yahu, Yo-hoo, Yahsha, Iehu HaYah, or a flurry of other word jumbles are the least of his problems. He was secretly slipping notes under the table behind you and your husband's back? Not cool. Here are you and Brother Alvear breaking big rocks into little rocks, doing the heavy lifting for years. Then the "nice" person comes along and starts to cause issues in a place where issues are the last thing you need? Sometimes we believe someone was a good brother, a nice person, we try our best to bring them back to the fold. When in fact their issue (this supposedly being XYZ sacred namers) is the least of their problems. No, his problem isn't what to call Jesus, his problem is that he was doing a bad impersonation of Absalom. Sister, you know as well as I where that all ends up.

Pray for him to wake up an apologize.

Praying for you and your husband in JESUS name :thumbsup

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This sacred name thing is so confusing and divisive. :(

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Amen, and never helped anyone. :(

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Thank you I want to have something ready for others...

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Sharing information with this man about the error of the sacred name movement will help.

But I think that it is more important that we pray that God open this man's eyes to this error. Prayer is the secret power behind every effort to help others into the light.

I'm going to click "Post Quick Reply" and say a prayer for this man. I'm going to pray that God open this man's eyes to this error and that he experience Jesus personally in his life in a powerful manner that it will cause all these eccentricities of doctrine seem silly.

I hope that others join me in this prayer. I'd appreciate it if those who pray after reading this let us all know that they joined in by posting something to show that they too touched Heaven for this man. That way we can all be encouraged. For we will know that two or more are in agreement touching this matter.

God bless and keep us all.

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This forum is living proof of that.

:lol

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This Wikipedia page about Sacred Name Groups is a real hoot. Not that the Wiki page has bad information. Just that the whole Hebrew Roots Sacred Name movement is so weird. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Name_Movement

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Sister Alvear?

Did you read this guy's website? Did you notice that he created his own Bible? He created his own New testament with the guess names of YÁOHU and YAOHÚSHUA hol-MEHUSHKHÁY???? Sister, how have you all been refuting this guy? What are the rest of the Apostolic ministers down in your neck of the woods doing to refute him? He rewrote the New Testament. In his rendition of the book of Acts he translates Holy Ghost as RÚKHA-YAOHÚSHUA? Now from reading through his website we learn that YAOHÚSHUA is his guess name for JESUS. Therefore we can only conclude that RÚKHA-YAOHÚSHUA means Holy Jesus? Where did he come up with that? What it seems to me, is that he is trying to attempt to One Godize his "translation?" In the attempt to make it more Apostolic Pentecostalish? Still reading this individual's supposed "correct" Bible translation.

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Who rewrote the Bible? The guy here is not that smart you must be talking about the group he is with.

We are trying to put together a booklet to hand out...any help appreciated...there are LOTS of these groups down here...none of them really agree with each other...

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Did you read the Bible translation on the site you posted?

I thought this individual was the spearhead of the group. Thank you for the clarification.

I'm reading through the made up Bible translation, and website. They believe that some Roman conspiracy corrupted the New Testament. This is also taught by Atheists and Talmudic Rabbis. Hence the reason why this movement is a stepping stone towards both groups.

Just working through the "groups" website.

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I believe there is still hope for the Hebrew Groots Movement.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...ab3373dd77.jpg

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The Hebrew roots movement is another fringe wacky movement....

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The word Christ is a direct translation of Messiah.



Christ (n.)

"the Anointed," synonymous with and translating to Greek Hebrew mashiah (see messiah), a title given to Jesus of Nazareth; Old English crist (by 830, perhaps 675), from Latin Christus, from Greek khristos "the anointed," noun use of verbal adjective of khriein "to rub, anoint" (from PIE root *ghrei- "to rub").

In the primitive Church it was a title, and used with the definite article, but from an early period it was used without it and regarded as part of the proper name of Jesus. It was treated as a proper name in Old English, but not regularly capitalized until 17c. Pronunciation with long -i- is result of Irish missionary work in England, 7c.-8c. The ch- form, regular since c. 1500 in English, was rare before. Capitalization of the word begins 14c. but is not fixed until 17c. The Latin term drove out Old English Hæland "healer, savior," as the preferred descriptive term for Jesus.

The title Christ appears in the Septuagint LXX for the word the anointed.

Amos 4:13

For, behold, I am he that strengthens the thunder, and creates the wind, and proclaims to men his Christ, forming the morning and the darkness, and mounting on the high places of the earth, The Lord God Almighty is his name.

διότι ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ στερεῶν βροντὴν καὶ κτίζων πνεῦμα καὶ ἀπαγγέλλων εἰς ἀνθρώπους τὸν χριστὸν αὐτοῦ ποιῶν ὄρθρον καὶ ὁμίχλην καὶ ἐπιβαίνων ἐπὶ τὰ ὕψη τῆς γῆς κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὁ παντοκράτωρ ὄνομα αὐτῷ


Isaiah 45:1

So says the Lord God to my Christ Cyrus, whose right hand I have held, that nations might be obedient before him; and I will break through the strength of kings; I will open doors before him, and cities shall not be closed.

οὕτως λέγει κύριος ὁ θεὸς τῷ χριστῷ μου Κύρῳ οὗ ἐκράτησα τῆς δεξιᾶς ἐπακοῦσαι ἔμπροσθεν αὐτοῦ ἔθνη καὶ ἰσχὺν βασιλέων διαρρήξω ἀνοίξω ἔμπροσθεν αὐτοῦ θύρας καὶ πόλεις οὐ συγκλεισθήσονται

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thank you for spending time and being willing to help...am very grateful.

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The Sacred Name, Yahwists claim that we MUST use the Hebrew names for God and Jesus.

Yahweh, Yahwah, Yahawah, Yahovah, Yaheveh, Yehaweh, Yehowah, Yehowih, Yehwih, Yahuweh, Yahueh, Yahuah, Jahveh, Yahvé, Iabe, Iahueh, Iehouah, and Jehovah. Iehovah, Iehowah, Eyeh, Heyah, Ieyah.

The list is as long as a Texas interstate is wide.

But what I must stress here is that Sacred name, Yahwists, and "some" Hebrew Rootists believe and teach that the Bible, as we have it today. Is a corrupted document. Only those who are willing to translate it back to Hebrew can repair it. Yet, again in the immortal words of Elder Epley .....

Sister Alvear pointed out that the brother who was once Apostolic and has left the movement to go native with the Sacred Namers was....

There you have it, Elder Epley's words are confirmed. What we have in the Sacred Name movement, "some" Hebrew Rootists don't have a clue how to order a kosher hot dog in Hebrew at a hot dog stand in Jerusalem. Yet, want to be Bible revisionists? Yet, we had that with another SACRED NAME group, called the Jehovah's Witnesses. Who have The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, by the Watch Tower. Which is just an NIV with Jehovah (a CATHOLIC creation) throughout the entire Bible. Even in the New Testament, where there is NO evidence for the tetragrammaton in any manuscript of the New Testament.

The House of Yahweh based in Abilene, Texas, the home of Buffalo" Bill Hawkins. Who changed his name to "Yisrayl" Funny thing about "some" Hebrew Rooters is that while they are rewriting the Old and New Testaments, they change the names of the months, days, church house, Jesus, God, Lord, and eventually, they change their own names. A group I know personally called the community or the 12 Tribes take baptized converts and rename them with a Hebrew name. Well the House of Yahweh also have their own Bible, rewritten by old Buffalo Bill himself. Buffalo Bill also predicted the end of the World in June 12 2008. I guess we can add that to his long list of being wrong.

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Sacred Namers will use Jeremiah 23:27 in the attempt that this verse is a prophecy towards false ministry. Ministry who cause their people to forget God's real authentic sacred name. Yet, what Jeremiah was presenting was not that people would forget how to pronounce or spell God's name. But actually a switch from a true God's authority to a fasle god's authority. We see this theme in 1 Kings 18:21. Where the prophet Elijah asks the question, “how long will you go timidly between two different opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, then follow him.” The main theme is the children of Israel always wanting to commit spiritual adultery on God. Hence Jeremiah 23:27 has nothing to do with teachers of the Law ailing to teach people how to spell and pronounce the tetragrammaton correctly.

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The more you read through this website the more it is using eschatology to prove why they are Yahwists. They use Daniel 8:9-12 and claim it is the Roman Catholic Papacy who corrupted the Bible in Latin. Yet, in the "End Times" Truth will be Restored. So, like the Millerites who believed in restored truth because the end would somewhere around the years 1843–1844. When Miller's time ran out the ball was handed to Seventh Day Adventists and the Jehovah Witnesses. Both with "restored truth," and New Light doctrine. The ones who really want to own the phrase "Restored Truth" are the Mormons. Yet, everyone from turn of the century Pentecostals to 12 Tribes Community with founder Eugene Spriggs look at themselves as "Restored Truth." Main reason is because that they couldn't find an unbroken chain of their past to their present. No one (that they knew) believed like them. No theological school of thought. In the United States these groups had splinter groups who like tributaries from a river they sprung forth from the "Restored Truth" teaching. Each one believing that THEY were the ones who FOUND the truth. The way the story goes is that the original truth of the apostles was lost from Nicea 325 A.D. until Topeka Kansas at 11:00 p.m. January 1, 1901, or 1844, or 1830 in Palmyra New York, or 1970 for Eugene Spriggs and the 12 Tribes Community. So, take your pick, like the Yahwists who are down in Brazil who must have a year of their revelation could be 1930 as a Brazilian continuation of the American Sacred Name movement

Truth was never lost, it may be hid, but if it is hid it is hid to them that are lost 2 Corinthians 4:3-4. Deuteronomy 30:11-14 and Romans 10:8-13 the Truth is right in front of us only if we want it. It doesn't need a restoration, or whether it's an eschatology or sacred anthroponomastics. The word has gone out and our Bible is available in many languages. Truth since the time of the apostles has always been there.

“For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it? But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it."

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you know you mentioned the 12 tribes...I once went with a friend and spent a few days with them here in Brazil...very nice people...but a very false doctrine...so sad...They were so sweet and gave me one of their few beds...I had the impression they lived very poor. Sad that people with such false doctrines sacrifice so much in vain....

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Was that the Mate' farm in Quatro Barras? they have a community in Itapecerica da Serra, and a few others. They are sweet people and in order to join one must give up all their worldly possession. Bank accounts, houses, and businesses. All are to be either sold or given over to the community. Their favorite candy stick verses are Acts 4:32, and Acts 2:44. Everything revolves around that they are the restoration of truth. Living communal is salvational, because the only way to live for God is to be in a communal situation. The 12 tribes has businesses in all their communities. In Spain the community makes olive oil. In Argentina the community makes Mate'. In Fort Myers Florida they were making soaps and shampoos. All their communities in the United States are IRC 501(d) which provide exemption for a religious or apostolic association or corporation which have a community purse.

As far as the name of Yahshua, and Yahweh they claim that those are the original names. I was talking with them in their community in Fort Meyers with their leader Eugene Spriggs (Yoneq) and asked them if they spoke Hebrew. They all answered in chorus with a resounding NO! I laughed. But again they are sincere, they are sweet, and they are giving people. But I can find the same thing at a Jewish Kibbutzim, or Hindu Ashram. The Bible isn't their basis for their teachings. Their group meetings are comprised of everyone taking a turn to talk and testify about their teachings. They also do Eastern European Chabad style dancing, blended with 1960s Height Ashbury Woodstockian Greatful Deadish spirit. The men in their meetings all wear headbands because in their "church services" called menhas the headband is their diadems. Which they will one day throw at Yeshua's feet. I had something more grandiose in mind when I read that scripture. But the hippy stuff is big for them. All the men have cut hair but have a ponytail in the back. All members must change their birth names to Hebrew names on conversion through baptism in Yahshua's name. No one is required to stay and if you no longer feel the need to be a part of the community you may leave. Just a little lighter of your possessions. So, they are Sacred Name, Hebrew Roots. Everything rotates around their eschatology and what part they play as restored truth in the end times.

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The group I visited at that time was located in Curitiba, Paraná, ..they may be in another location now...

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On the Yahweh website supplied in Sister Alevear's first post, there is The Importance of Names.

The writer gives the example if someone intending to go to Recife, the capital
of Pernambucotake but you ask the driver instead to take you to Porto Alegre. You would be taken to a different location. Or if you asked for water but used the word "salt" you wouldn't quench your thirst. Yet that isn't what is happening in the Greek Bible. Water and salt have nothing to do with each other. As well as the cities of Recife and Porto Alegre. that is comparing Cajá and Acai totally two different things. In the Bible the word for agua in the Greek is νερό. It is the same thing, names can be different but have the same meaning. That is what all Bible translation is about. Yet, during the time of Jesus the language wasn't Hebrew in the street, Hebrew was a liturgical language used in the temple. Jesus reads from an Isaiah scroll in His hometown which verse is found in the Greek LXX. The Bible in Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Greek, English or Japanese aren't using incorrect words. The names found in our New Testament are the names of the people during that time. The Apostle Phillip has NO Hebrew, or Aramaic original. His name is totally of Macedonian origin. Nicodemus, has no Hebrew or Aramaic equivalent, it is of Greek only origin.


The website goes on to speak about the first human name, Adam (Adam) and his wife. Which Adam called "Ishah" (Woman). Her name is Ḥava or Chava, but the name found in our Bibles 'Εὕαν" Eve is from the Greek. Does it mean something totally different? No, is it like calling water 'salt?" ridiculous. Still God didn't speak to Adam, and Eve in Hebrew, because anyone who studies any language will tell you as time marches forward language changes. But, let's look at the Bible and see what language God spoke to Adam and Eve. Genesis 11:7 has God making the degree to go down and confuse the LANGUAGE of the people. Notice it doesn't say confuse the language of only those who worked on the tower, or everyone except a remnant will have the original language. This isn't a guessing game, the Lord tells us that He confused all the people of their original LANGUAGE. So they wouldn't understand each other. We can't teach anything other than whatever the original language sounded like or was spelled, we have no clue. Adam didn't keep notes. What about the meaning of their names? Well, that's simple, just like water is English, and νερό is Greek, then the original names for Adam and Eve "spoken" by God had the same meanings. In
Exodus 33:23 God tells Moses that He will show Moses His history but not His future. Meaning Moses was given opportunity to understand the Genesis in the language Moses was speaking at the time. Another thing about Hebrew being some special language. Moses is an Egyptian name, we don't know if he even had a Hebrew name. the only ones who argue for a Hebrew name for Moses are Rabbis who like their Sacred Name cousins hate anything non Hebrew. In Egyptian, the name Moses linked to the Egyptian verb ms/msi (“to give birth”) or the related noun ms (“child,” “son”),various forms of which occur in Egyptian royal and non-royal names. The verb ms is incorporated into the royal birth names of New Kingdom pharaohs Ahmose (“the moon god is born”) and Thutmose (“Thoth is born”) as the suffix -mose. In the Greek forms of the names, the verb ms becomes -mosis: Amosis and Thutmosis. The name Ramesses follows a similar pattern: Re-mes-su (“Re is the one who bore him”). The verb is also found in non-royal personal names such as Ptahmose (“Ptah is born”) and Ramose (“Re is born”). Which name Moses indicates born out of water.

If someone refuses to believe that any Judean or Israeli would fight to not have their name a non Hebrew name, then Mordecai, Esther are names of pagan gods. If they go further to say that these two had no choice because they were under occupation. We have Aquila (Roman Eagle of Zeus) and Apollos (Sun god). Aquila is a Roman Judean freedman, and Apollos an Alexandrian Judian. Prisca which means first, has only a Latin origin.

The Gospel according to Mark is a Judean by the name of Yohanna Marcus. Marcus is of Latin origin and has no Hebrew or Aramaic origin. Marcus is a Roman patrician name, as is the Apostle Shaul Palous, Paul being his surname which was a very important Roman patrician family. The name going back to the old Roman Republic.

The website also uses the old Yahwist falsehood (which as Micheal the Disciple pointed out) most Yahwists and Hebrew Rooters no longer use the argument that Jesus is really Hey Zeus. In the Greek Jesus appears as Ιησούς in the Greek Zeus appears as Ζεύς. But the Sacred Namers point to the sus at the end of Jesus to make a connection. Which is a serious etymological mistake, Listen, Zeus has as much to do with Jesus, as Moses has to do with Mice.

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They're still there. It is one of their Mate' farms.

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Here is a new one for me, the group in Brazil (the one in Sister Alvear's original post) claims Elisha, means "Zeus is my supreme?" Eliseu, que significa "Zeus é meu supremo?"

Not surprisingly they fail to prove this claim.

I guess they wouldn't be able to order linguiça in Hebrew. :heeheehee

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A trilingual inscription placed by Pontius Pilate upon the cross proclaimed Jesus Christ King of the Judeans. Jesus' name is written in Aramaic, Greek, and in Latin

Would of look something like this.

http://jms.jesusmariasite.org/wp-con...64-720x405.jpg

Trilingual inscriptions were commonly used in ancient times. The most popular known trilingual inscription is the Rosetta Stone. Behistun Inscription is another. Its texts were written in the cuneiform script, It has trilingual inscription in three different languages. One of them is in Old Persian, another in Elamite, and the third in Akkadian.

All of the trilingual inscriptions have all proper names transliterated in each of the languages which is used in the inscriptions.

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I always believe in striving to maintain the unity of the Body in the bonds of peace.

I would contact the fellow and ask him to give you and other leaders time (maybe 3-6 months???) to pray and fast and seek the Lord for wisdom and counsel on how to respond, then ask him to come to a meeting of the elders and leaders, and there, if you're convinced he is in error, show him how and go over the information, and recommend to him to reject the teaching on those grounds and give him some time to do so.

If after the allotted time, he does not reject the teaching, but desires to continue teaching it to others, follow:

Titus 3:10,

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

And then write an "epistle", as it were, to the churches within your oversight, explaining the whole thing and advise that he not be fellowshipped or received, as one who is causing division per Romans 16:17-18 and 2 John 1:9.

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In the meantime, you can request that he not disseminate his views until such a time as you have given yourselves to pray and fast and seek the Lord. If the spirit of the man is right, he will hopefully agree, yield to the request, and then stand by his word.

If he refuses or betrays his commitment to refrain, cross that bridge if you come to it.

Re: YÁohu ulhÍm
 

Just wondering why does some places say Latin, Hebrew and Greek?
others /Aramaic, Greek, and Latin Is Hebrew and Aramaic the same for some reason?

Re: YÁohu ulhÍm
 

Hebrew and Aramaic are like Portuguese and Spanish. While the former are romance Latin languages, Aramaic and Hebrew are Semitic. Scholars do agree that Aramaic was the language of Judea. Aramaic would of been referred to as Hebrew because Hebrews spoke it. As those who speak Latin are called Latins, and those who speak Greek are called Greeks. Yet we don’t have Aramaics speaking Aramaic.