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Evang.Benincasa 03-12-2018 08:12 PM

Pastor Gino Jennings, Make It Plain.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jlb...nel=TonyHarvin

Esaias 03-12-2018 08:17 PM

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"Am I right? You KNOW I'm right!"

Evang.Benincasa 03-12-2018 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1522365)
"Am I right? You KNOW I'm right!"

:happydance

Truthseeker 03-12-2018 09:26 PM

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He mentions not changing God's natural appearance but he is clean shaved. Lol

Evang.Benincasa 03-12-2018 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1522375)
He mentions not changing God's natural appearance but he is clean shaved. Lol

No he is not, as long as I have known him he has facial hair.

MawMaw 03-13-2018 03:55 AM

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I don't know this Preacher, but he does tell it plain! :nod

Truthseeker 03-13-2018 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1522379)
No he is not, as long as I have known him he has facial hair.

He just has a mustache, which he got by altering his face by shabijg. Changing what God created.

Truthseeker 03-13-2018 05:02 AM

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I agree with him about the makeup and modesty. I just wish there was more clear scripture on it. He mentions jeremiah 4 but that doesn't really show a prohibition against makeup.

Evang.Benincasa 03-13-2018 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1522398)
I agree with him about the makeup and modesty. I just wish there was more clear scripture on it. He mentions jeremiah 4 but that doesn't really show a prohibition against makeup.

Destroying her face with make up?

I think that is pretty plain. Listen we are dealing with a culture that has gone way past all of that. Pastor Gino Jennings is correct on the state of the churches.
In 10 more years it will only get worse not better. In vain thy make thyself fair. Holiness make up? Hey, guys are painting their fingernails and wearing make up, what next?

Amanah 03-13-2018 06:07 AM

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Men and Women looking like prostitutes in the church



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Truthseeker 03-13-2018 06:30 AM

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Men and Women looking like prostitutes in the church



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Not sure about, a prostitute might look better than her. :)

Aquila 03-13-2018 08:54 AM

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Ah... That ol' familiar opening...

"Greetings Brothers, and Sisters, Friends and Enemies."

Gotta love it!

It was through listening to Jennings and studying the Scripture that I came to the understanding that I Corinthians 11 is about head coverings.

robogreg_2000 03-13-2018 09:47 AM

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Does it really matter if a person wears make up? That is between the individual and God! I have seen some women who never wore makeup,but they were as mean as a famished lioness ! There are some men who say that women should not wear toe and heel out shoes! If a woman ś heels and toes are going to cause a man to become full of lust,he is a sick puppy anyway!

Amanah 03-13-2018 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by robogreg_2000 (Post 1522406)
Does it really matter if a person wears make up? That is between the individual and God! I have seen some women who never wore makeup,but they were as mean as a famished lioness ! There are some men who say that women should not wear toe and heel out shoes! If a woman ś heels and toes are going to cause a man to become full of lust,he is a sick puppy anyway!

It matters to a lost world if the church looks like a hooker or not. They are looking for deliverance.

Evang.Benincasa 03-13-2018 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by robogreg_2000 (Post 1522406)
Does it really matter if a person wears make up? That is between the individual and God! I have seen some women who never wore makeup,but they were as mean as a famished lioness ! There are some men who say that women should not wear toe and heel out shoes! If a woman ś heels and toes are going to cause a man to become full of lust,he is a sick puppy anyway!

Brother Gino Jennings gives an explanation to the above. Also saying that an unchurched individual shouldn't have a problem with lusting after a female dressed a certain way is mistaken. Brother Gino Jennings points out that everything from cars to cornflakes (my words) is sold with a scantily clad female. Why because to the carnal male that is where the focus goes.
Jesus warns married men that if they were even to look upon a woman with lust they were in adultery. So, Jesus knew their was a problem. The Bible also states that there is an attire of a harlot Proverb 17:10 Then out came a woman to meet him, dressed like a prostitute and with crafty intent. Doesn't get any plainer than that.

1 Timothy 2:9

Likewise, I want the women to adorn themselves with respectable apparel, with modesty, and with self-control, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,

The above is Paul speaking about women in Timothy's congregation. He says he wants them to be dressed in "respectable" attire, which would be the opposite of being dressed like a prostitute.

Aquila 03-13-2018 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by robogreg_2000 (Post 1522406)
Does it really matter if a person wears make up? That is between the individual and God! I have seen some women who never wore makeup,but they were as mean as a famished lioness ! There are some men who say that women should not wear toe and heel out shoes! If a woman ś heels and toes are going to cause a man to become full of lust,he is a sick puppy anyway!

If a woman isn't prayerful, modest, and submitted, her makeup is in vain.

Evang.Benincasa 03-13-2018 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1522409)
It matters to a lost world if the church looks like a hooker or not. They are looking for deliverance.

Brother Gino Jennings makes the statement if he came into the studio with a blood red suit, bright yellow neck tie, hair extensions, and gold rings on every finger. What would he look like? Some churches people look like they are going to the club, not the church. We are called to come as we are, not stay as we are.

consapente89 03-13-2018 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1522410)
Brother Gino Jennings gives an explanation to the above. Also saying that an unchurched individual shouldn't have a problem with lusting after a female dressed a certain way is mistaken. Brother Gino Jennings points out that everything from cars to cornflakes (my words) is sold with a scantily clad female. Why because to the carnal male that is where the focus goes.
Jesus warns married men that if they were even to look upon a woman with lust they were in adultery. So, Jesus knew their was a problem. The Bible also states that there is an attire of a harlot Proverb 17:10 Then out came a woman to meet him, dressed like a prostitute and with crafty intent. Doesn't get any plainer than that.

1 Timothy 2:9

Likewise, I want the women to adorn themselves with respectable apparel, with modesty, and with self-control, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,

The above is Paul speaking about women in Timothy's congregation. He says he wants them to be dressed in "respectable" attire, which would be the opposite of being dressed like a prostitute.

What about unmarried men?

Evang.Benincasa 03-13-2018 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1522418)
What about unmarried men?

We are dealing with a situation that these people didn't have dating. Laws were in place for male and female interaction. Some laws concerning rape would be barbaric to our Christian minds. Yet, they were all in place during the time of Christ. The Apostle Paul tells the Church (young men included) to entreat old women as mothers and younger women as sisters 1 Timothy 5:2. This would cover young men getting too carried away.

Aquila 03-13-2018 10:42 AM

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Gino Jennings is quite a gentleman when talking one on one and on a personal level. His most controversial responses are typically in regards to the letters sent to his ministry, which he addresses rather boldly, without pulling any punches.

I like what he said to K Foxx when she asked, "What would be your assessment of me as a woman?", with regards to her makeup, etc. Jennings then said, "My assessment wouldn't be anything. But from a biblical perspective...", and he then launches into Jeremiah 4:30.

I like that. He didn't personally insult her. In fact, he was very pleasant. He then moved into Scripture and shared his perspective of what the Bible teaches.

Aquila 03-13-2018 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1522418)
What about unmarried men?

It is sin for any man to look upon a woman and desire to use her like an object created merely for the gratification of his lusts. While Christ's words imply that he was primarily addressing married men (His use of the word "adultery"), keep in mind that most men were married in that culture.
Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Of course, I think one would be hard pressed to insist that looking upon a woman to lust after her is prohibited for the married but permitted for the unmarried. To look upon anyone with the desire to use them for one's one selfish gratification of one's carnal lusts is dehumanizing whether one is married or not.

Truthseeker 03-13-2018 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1522421)
Gino Jennings is quite a gentleman when talking one on one and on a personal level. His most controversial responses are typically in regards to the letters sent to his ministry, which he addresses rather boldly, without pulling any punches.

I like what he said to K Foxx when she asked, "What would be your assessment of me as a woman?", with regards to her makeup, etc. Jennings then said, "My assessment wouldn't be anything. But from a biblical perspective...", and he then launches into Jeremiah 4:30.

I like that. He didn't personally insult her. In fact, he was very pleasant. He then moved into Scripture and shared his perspective of what the Bible teaches.


Is jeremiah 4:30 really a prohibition against makeup?

Aquila 03-13-2018 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1522443)
Is jeremiah 4:30 really a prohibition against makeup?

I don't take it as such. I see the point being... you can decorate the outside all you like, but it doesn't hide the sinful ugliness of a spiritually unfaithful heart.

Evang.Benincasa 03-13-2018 02:54 PM

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Is jeremiah 4:30 really a prohibition against makeup?

It sure isn't a positive.

Truthseeker 03-13-2018 03:04 PM

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Sin is transgression of the law. Where in the law does it forbid makeup?

Amanah 03-13-2018 03:23 PM

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Sin is transgression of the law. Where in the law does it forbid makeup?

First of all, we are to obey the apostles’ doctrine

2 Timothy 3:16 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

The apostles taught that women were not to beautify themselves with outward adorning, but with modesty and humility and good works.

1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Evang.Benincasa 03-13-2018 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1522447)
Sin is transgression of the law. Where in the law does it forbid makeup?

Leviticus 19:29 the children of Israel were admonished by the law not to degrade their daughters in temple prostitution. Proverbs 7:10 prostitutes were recognizable by not only their clothing but their facial paint was used primarily by the prostitute (pagans) to allure Jeremiah 4:29-31. Temple prostitution was a big deal to the pagan groups who surrounded Israel. Even the Vestal virgins of Rome were highly honored among Romans, but despised by Judeans. Prostitutes were known for their painted eyelids, females, and males. We get so caught up with females and make up. But I sadly don't live in Sunny Brook Farm. Here I have young men who wear make up, piercings, and have long painted finger nails. Is that now the new normal? It isn't new, it is just the church has been asleep at the wheel, and riders got on the bus you weren't expecting. So, what are you going to do about it now?


Being Holy as He is Holy. That is the law, and we are to separate ourselves from the paganism around us, the sin that is around us, the crossdressing that is around us. Do we now tell young boys, emo, and goths that make up is only for women? Sad commentary that the church tried to become the world to win the world. Only to be impregnated by the world with mess and remorse.

Ephesians 1:4 Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes.

That admonishment from Paul was a call to separation to not only not act like the world (which was a pagan Greek/Roman Empire), but not look like the world.

Aquila 03-13-2018 11:48 PM

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Ancient peoples of the Near East used power and rouge, red and yellow colors being obtained from ochers, and white from lead carbonate. Both of these materials are known from excavations, and other sources indicate the use of powder puffs in Egypt. One Biblical reference to powder, in the cosmetic sense, is in the Song of Solomon 3:6, wherein the "powders" of a merchant, for cosmetic use, are brought as a gift to the bride to be.

Evang.Benincasa 03-14-2018 06:09 AM

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Ancient people of the near and Middle East were pagans.

Truthseeker 03-14-2018 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1522505)
Ancient people of the near and Middle East were pagans.

And yet there is not one command against it.

Evang.Benincasa 03-14-2018 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1522506)
And yet there is not one command against it.

I already went through the Torah information concerning not allowing your daughters to be prostitutes. How prostitution was not only what they did but how they looked. Yet, eyeliner, lip paint, and finger and toenail polish on men was also part of temple prostitution. I don't know where you live or what you do, but around these parts young men have green, pink dyed hair, painted finger nails, and toe nails. The young men wear eyeliner, and lipstick. So, you have no book? Then I wish you well in your church experience sitting on a pew and listening to a pastor with black fingernails, and black eyeliner.

RachelRose 03-14-2018 07:21 AM

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Boy this name is familiar. I think I listened to him on the radio many years ago in LA.

RachelRose 03-14-2018 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1522366)
:happydance

Gino does not have a beard in this video posted from the FOX interview.

RachelRose 03-14-2018 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1522404)
Ah... That ol' familiar opening...

"Greetings Brothers, and Sisters, Friends and Enemies."

Gotta love it!

It was through listening to Jennings and studying the Scripture that I came to the understanding that I Corinthians 11 is about head coverings.

Aquila you make a great point in that post for two reasons:

1) I love to listen to many sides of an issue
2) head cover VS hair cover is debatable

Aquila 03-14-2018 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1522505)
Ancient people of the near and Middle East were pagans.

Song of Solomon 3:6
6 Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all powders of the merchant?
It is unclear exactly what the powders of the merchant entailed. Seeing that it states "all the powders of the merchant", the one thing we do know is that these merchants were apothecaries. The apothecary was skilled in the creation of perfumes, incense, oils, balms, cosmetics, and even the use of spiced teas and herbal remedies. It would therefore imply that Solomon came bringing all these things as gifts to his bride.

It should also be noted that the name of Job’s daughter, as “Horn of Antimony,” or “Keren-happuch” (horn of black eye-paint) in Job 42:14 does not carry a negative or sinful connotation, since in 42:15 this daughter as well as the others is counted as best in the land. It might be that she was named after an ornate cosmetic container (a horn) or that her mother (Job's wife) wore such beautiful eye-paint.

Green color was derived from malachite or turquoise, and used to paint the lower eyelids; while black came from manganese (puk) or antimony (kuhl), and was applied to the eyebrows and lashes. Red ocher was used to add lip color. Large numbers of small pottery juglets, usually fired in a reducing atmosphere to produce a lustrous and burnished black finish, also come from the excavations of this period. A cosmetic kit from the Biblical period might contain a polished metal mirror, palette, ivory and metal spatulas, kohl sticks, unguent spoons, tweezers and a variety of containers.

In addition to the minerals named above, galena and stibnite also were ground in the palettes. These powders (possible reference, Song of Solomon 3:6) were then mixed with water or gum before application. The powder was likely stored and carried in pouches. The Bible frequently associates eye paint with questionable women, who made excessive use of it (cf. 2 Kings 9:30; Jer 4:30; Ezek 23:40). In addition to beautification, the eye paint probably had some hygienic effect, in discouraging disease-carrying flies.

The negative texts mentioning cosmetics (2 Kings 9:30, Jer. 4:30, Eze. 23:40) do not condemn cosmetics specifically. However, they do reveal the seductive nature of those women who use cosmetics to enhance their beauty so that they might entice men into sin.

As it relates to Christian women, Paul wrote:
1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
Shamefacedness is the manner of one's face, or facial expressions, being kept in a state of modesty and humility. It is the opposite of being shameless, arrogant, and beaming with pride. This could very well indicate that cosmetics are to be discouraged, however in Near Eastern ancient culture a properly mannered woman rarely looked a man directly in the eyes. Instead, after immediate eye contact, she would turn her gaze away below his line of sight, expressing submission and respect. This practice is still common in the Middle East today, especially among Muslim women. In these Eastern cultures, to look a man in the eye while talking to him is considered ill mannered, seductive, or disrespectful depending upon circumstance.

So, while the Bible is neutral on makeup, it is not neutral on one's attitude and character. We do well not to make up a law where one doesn't exist. So it is hard to argue that makeup is a "sin" in and of itself. However, we can encourage modesty and natural beauty in principle as it relates to being separate from the world.

RachelRose 03-14-2018 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1522522)
Song of Solomon 3:6
6 Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all powders of the merchant?
It is unclear exactly what the powders of the merchant entailed. Seeing that it states "all the powders of the merchant", the one thing we do know is that these merchants were apothecaries. The apothecary was skilled in the creation of perfumes, incense, oils, balms, cosmetics, and even the use of spiced teas and herbal remedies. It would therefore imply that Solomon came bringing all these things as gifts to his bride.

It should also be noted that the name of Job’s daughter, as “Horn of Antimony,” or “Keren-happuch” (horn of black eye-paint) in Job 42:14 does not carry a negative or sinful connotation, since in 42:15 this daughter as well as the others is counted as best in the land. It might be that she was named after an ornate cosmetic container (a horn) or that her mother (Job's wife) wore such beautiful eye-paint.

Green color was derived from malachite or turquoise, and used to paint the lower eyelids; while black came from manganese (puk) or antimony (kuhl), and was applied to the eyebrows and lashes. Red ocher was used to add lip color. Large numbers of small pottery juglets, usually fired in a reducing atmosphere to produce a lustrous and burnished black finish, also come from the excavations of this period. A cosmetic kit from the Biblical period might contain a polished metal mirror, palette, ivory and metal spatulas, kohl sticks, unguent spoons, tweezers and a variety of containers.

In addition to the minerals named above, galena and stibnite also were ground in the palettes. These powders (possible reference, Song of Solomon 3:6) were then mixed with water or gum before application. The powder was likely stored and carried in pouches. The Bible frequently associates eye paint with questionable women, who made excessive use of it (cf. 2 Kings 9:30; Jer 4:30; Ezek 23:40). In addition to beautification, the eye paint probably had some hygienic effect, in discouraging disease-carrying flies.

The negative texts mentioning cosmetics (2 Kings 9:30, Jer. 4:30, Eze. 23:40) do not condemn cosmetics specifically. However, they do reveal the seductive nature of those women who use cosmetics to enhance their beauty so that they might entice men into sin.

As it relates to Christian women, Paul wrote:
1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
Shamefacedness is the manner of one's face, or facial expressions, being kept in a state of modesty and humility. It is the opposite of being shameless, arrogant, and beaming with pride. This could very well indicate that cosmetics are to be discouraged, however in Near Eastern ancient culture a properly mannered woman rarely looked a man directly in the eyes. Instead, after immediate eye contact, she would turn her gaze away below his line of sight, expressing submission and respect. This practice is still common in the Middle East today, especially among Muslim women. In these Eastern cultures, to look a man in the eye while talking to him is considered ill mannered, seductive, or disrespectful depending upon circumstance.

So, while the Bible is neutral on makeup, it is not neutral on one's attitude and character. We do well not to make up a law where one doesn't exist. So it is hard to argue that makeup is a "sin" in and of itself. However, we can encourage modesty and natural beauty in principle as it relates to being separate from the world.

Aquila this is why I enjoy reading your posts. You do not just give short, two word responses. You dig deep into history. By doing this you challenge the Pentecostal Traditions we have here in2018.

I dare say if we make it to see Jesus face to face he will be displease with all our efforts to keep what we thought was important and did not do his simple instructions.

You have no idea how much "heat" I take from other (older) members of the faith.

Truthseeker 03-14-2018 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1522508)
I already went through the Torah information concerning not allowing your daughters to be prostitutes. How prostitution was not only what they did but how they looked. Yet, eyeliner, lip paint, and finger and toenail polish on men was also part of temple prostitution. I don't know where you live or what you do, but around these parts young men have green, pink dyed hair, painted finger nails, and toe nails. The young men wear eyeliner, and lipstick. So, you have no book? Then I wish you well in your church experience sitting on a pew and listening to a pastor with black fingernails, and black eyeliner.


Is there any scripture that show only prostitutes wore makeup and nor the OT saints? "Attire of a harlot" what was the attire?


For the record, i believe makeup is not becoming of a woman desiring holiness, I just wish scripture was more clear on the subject.

Aquila 03-14-2018 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RachelRose (Post 1522531)
Aquila this is why I enjoy reading your posts. You do not just give short, two word responses. You dig deep into history. By doing this you challenge the Pentecostal Traditions we have here in2018.

I dare say if we make it to see Jesus face to face he will be displease with all our efforts to keep what we thought was important and did not do his simple instructions.

You have no idea how much "heat" I take from other (older) members of the faith.

Thank you for the encouragement. :)

What concerns me personally is that if my faith is built on a number of laws designed by man (no short sleeves, no shorts, no rings, no television, no internet, no beards, etc., etc., etc.),... I end up living, practicing, and even sharing a man made religion. Both hedonism and man made religion appeal to the flesh. They just appeal to those on the opposite ends of the spectrum. But both the hedonist and the religionist are as carnal as carnal can be. Consider this, every false religion has special days, dress codes, dietary codes, rituals, innumerable legalistic requirements, etc., etc., that are required of their followers. The way of the Spirit transcends these carnal frameworks and leads one into aspiring Christlikeness, living by the Spirit, seeking to live by the divine love that abides towards both God and man. If I love my neighbor, will I entice them to sin? Will I dress in a manner that provokes lust? Will I lie to them, harm them, defraud them, steal from them, or degrade them in any way? No. If I love God will I blaspheme, bow to idols, use His name in vain, or knowingly engage in heathen practices? No, of course not. And so the single law of love becomes the mark.

Now, that isn't to say that discretion shouldn't be practiced with regards to issues that the Bible is silent or neutral about. This is where spiritual maturity is most essential.

Evang.Benincasa 03-14-2018 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1522532)
Is there any scripture that show only prostitutes wore makeup and nor the OT saints? "Attire of a harlot" what was the attire?


For the record, i believe makeup is not becoming of a woman desiring holiness, I just wish scripture was more clear on the subject.

What is the attire? The scriptures always harps on the painting of the eyes for one, Isaiah 3:16,Jeremiah 4:30,2 Kings 9:30. Then goes onto say expensive clothing and ornaments. Mystery Babylon Mother of Harlots is arrayed with purple (expensive) and ornamentation Revelation 17:4. I don't wish, I know, wishing is for kids. You are looking for a shopping list of Thou Shalt Nots? Men who crossdress, start off with the most hideous display of make up, because in their warped demonic perversion, their maggot filled brains compel them to degrade themselves with face paint. Then they put on the wig? Usually way before they dress up in their wife's clothes. In the book of Enoch (not advocating it as scripture) it speaks that weapons of war, jewelry, and make up was shown to mankind by fallen angels.

Enoch 8:1-4 "And Azazel taught mankind to make swords and knives and shields and coats of mail, and taught them to see what was behind them, and their works of art: bracelets and ornaments, and the use of rouge, and the beautifying of the eye-brows, and the dearest and choicest stones and all coloring substances and the metals of the earth. And there was great wickedness and much fornication, and they sinned, and all their ways were corrupt. Amezarak taught all the conjurers and root-cutters, Armars the loosening of conjurations, Baraq�al the astrologers, Kïkabel the signs, and Temel taught astrology, and Asradel taught the course of the moon. And in the destruction of mankind, they cried aloud, and their voices reached heaven."

"Talmud in Tractate Yoma 9b (also in Shabbat 62b) Why was the first Sanctuary destroyed? Because of three [evil] things which prevailed there: idolatry, immorality, bloodshed… Immorality [prevailed] as it is written: “Moreover the Lord said: Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched-forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and make a tinkling with their feet” Isaiah 3:16. ‘Because the daughters of Zion are haughty’, i.e., they used to walk with proud carriage. ‘And wanton eyes’ i.e., they filled their eyes with kohl (a powder used for painting the eyelids). ‘Walking and mincing as they go’, i.e., they used to walk with the heel touching the toe. ‘And make a tinkling with their feet’, R. Isaac said: They would take myrrh and balsam and place it in their shoes and they would walk around the streets of Jerusalem and when they came near the young men of Israel they would kick, causing the balsam to squirt at them and would thus cause the evil desire to enter them like an adder's poison. (Rashi in Tractate Shabbat notes that they were married women and therefore the Talmud talks about their defamation)."

Most cultures understood that make up wasn't for the godly, because the lionshare of the scripture rebuked the wearing of it. So, no wishing upon a star, no hoping for hope. The Bible is plain, but sadly people see what they want to see. My lands homosexuals see God advocating homosexuality in the Bible? Crossdressers see Deuteronomy 22:5 as only pertaining to pagan religious worship. Hey, the scriptures are plain, you just need to have people who have no agendas to read and obey.

RachelRose 03-15-2018 06:03 AM

Re: Pastor Gino Jennings, Make It Plain.
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1522363)

:highfive

I love this interview. I cannot vouch for Gino's church but I love his attitude. He took the message of modesty to place that would be hostile to it. He handled himself with skill and long suffering.

I am being completely honest here: I want to witness with that same peace. One thing he did over and over again was to quote what the Bible said. The young lady on the other side of the table was angry that wearing just a halter and "tights" somehow was asking for a rape. Her want to look "cool" completely over ruled common sense.

The Bible has MANY practical messages for us and one of them is that: all people need to be modest and covered up.


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