TD Jakes' influence among Oneness Pentecostals
 

I freely state I am no fan of Jakes neither maintain the so-called Oneness view. However, Jakes seems to have reaching influence across evangelicalism despite his being part of Oneness Pentecostalism. I can recall finding in non-denominational and even Assemblies of God churches prior to altogether leaving continuationism where there was Jakes' materials or him being the topic of discussion. How broad is his influence among the various Oneness orders? Is he a fair representation of what one would find id he sauntered into a Oneness church? Might the moderatora pardon if I have posted in the wrong subforum, but he does appear to be rather relevant among this Oneness movement.

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Who is TD Jakes?

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I had heard he accepted the Trinity.

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Jakes is not one of us.

1 John 2:19

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I think he is still a televangelist? :icecream

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He compromised his view and became a laughing stock to Oneness proponents and Trinitarians alike!
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I thought TD Jakes was a strict Baptist?

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At one time TD Jakes had an understanding of oneness and he even favored it and gave it support, but when the pressure was on, TD Jakes denounced the oneness view in order to gain favor with the religious trinitarian crowd.

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He compromised and tried to get respect by being in the middle. Saying manifestations instead of persons and those Trinitarians chewed him up and spit him out. They talk bad about that guy, he tried to be so called orthodox so he could be ecumenical p.c. but it made him look like a joke.

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yep, he sold out.

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Thank you for the article. So sad. Well he has worked hard for his name "T D Snakes."

:spit

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TD Jakes has no influence among the majority of the oneness movement. He has gone back and forth on his view of the Godhead and doesn't preach what the apostles did about many subject among such are Holiness and separation Jesus name baptism and so on. I can't see any of the oneness movement putting confidence in Jakes.

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That is for God to decide !!!!!!!

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Watch your mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God is listening !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Strict and Particular (Primitive or Old Regular) Baptists believe like John Bunyan, John Gill, William Gadsby, Issac Bakkus and others. He might try to appeal to Baptists but he does not preach the predestination we have always believed that Rome anathematizes in her Trent Council. He is absolutely not one of us.

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Jakes was ordained by a so-called Apostolic institution and his church was, at least as recently as 2016, affiliated with the UPCI. Here is why I ask, because I have no context for the UPCI or other Oneness Pentecostal denominations of which I have never been neither would be a part of.

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T.D. Jakes is a Pilgrim Progress guy to the bone.

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Go to a UPCI church near you and attend.

You researching a religion, get around the actual people who practice it.

A forums and social media isn't research. Putting down Apostolic forum in your bibliography isn't a good look.

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God already did, and He put it in the Bible.

1 John 4:1-5

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He is reading too.

T. D. Jakes is a reprobate.

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Neither Jakes nor The Potter's House in TX have been affiliated with the UPCI.

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you are misinformed, pretentious, and unpleasant :dogpat

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Proverbs 9:8, 25:11.

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Thank you for the warm, welcoming blessing and information! I have only spent the last several years studying the word now at 45 chapters a day and nearly all subjects of theology pursuant to Proverbs 14:15 and I Thessalonians 5:17-21. But hey, thanks for the warm insult just like the devil does for ensuring I have properly represented TD Jakes and not misrepresented Oneness Pentecostalism I already admitted to having no experience with after 21 years in Trinitarian mainline Pentecostalism! How I just love to be berated by a scorner and false accuser for doing my homework, much less one whose baseless shooting out of the mouth (Psalm 22:7) does NOTHING to help a Trinitarian with his research! Proverbs 1:22, 3:34, 9:7-8, 13:1, 14:6, 15:12. Next thing I know I will be told sarcasm is an unpardonable sin... I Peter 3.8-12, and may the Lord if he will smile on you.

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Pretentious
1 : characterized by pretension: such as
a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing) ·the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture that is alien to him
—Richard Watts
b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature

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I'm not a professional researcher. My pending employment is subject to many confidentiality agreements and thus not up for discussion, ever. Researching unorthodox sects (the term cult is rather inaccurate and unhelpful) is a hobby at which I'm well equipped normally, though not in the case of Oneness; has it occurred to you the Oneness churches here are inaccessible? It is literally almost in another city which would make access without transportation impossible. The closest bus stop makes for a mile walk at least across a busy multi-lane highway with ten seconds on the crosswalk. I'm not one to beg or burden someone unnecessarily, which doubtless is a burden that assembly is bound to be strained in undertaking on a weekly basis to properly collect the needed data. Besides, there is a facet of research for those outside a church setting since programmed behavior is to be expected within the assemblies' meeting hall.

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Not true at all.

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Strict Baptist,

I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot, maybe we can begin again.

How do your beliefs align with the teachings/ministry of Bill Graham? would you say he is a fair representation of what one would find if one attended your fellowship?
(before he passed on to his just reward of course)

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This has been educational and I think this thread served its purpose. Ironically, a video on Strict & Particular Baptist Radio is the most viewed on my channel about Tyler Perry as well as Mr Jakes being possible free masons based on their most odd gesture resembling the Ma-Ha-Bone grip of blue lodge free masonry, a theosophic, Gnostic solar-phallic Luciferian sect in its own right. There will have to be an update in the description Jakes is no longer a modalist, or at least has so softened his views as to be rejected by the Oneness camp. I'm simply glad to comprehend he is probably a better representation of the Positive Confession schism than of neo-Sabellianism. It is never my intention to misrepresent a group even if radically differing from its doctrines.

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Wow, that's so cool. You are either a Navy Seal or a Secret Agent?

Hmm, you have a top secret job, but have lots of free time?

No, it hasn't occurred to me, and why should it? I haven't the foggiest idea where you live. But now I know you have a top secret job, and live on a secluded area on the side of a freeway?

Ok, call them up and they will come to you. :)

Call Uber.

How far is the church you currently attend? Or is that something you cannot discuss?

Programmed behavior? Oh, you mean the they are led by the Holy Ghost? Well, isn't that what you are looking for? Have you ever been to a UPC One God Jesus name church? Sure beats that stale dryer than a mummy's pocket Baptist stuff. Hey, you won't doze off to sleep in a UPC church.

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What's a modealist is that someone who builds little ships in bottles?

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Modalism is an interchangeable term for the beliefs of Oneness, as are Sabellian, partialist, Patripassian as Oneness today stands. Modalism was what Praxeus, Nœtus but particularly Sabellius of the fourth to fifth centuries stated his beliefs to be, that the other subsistences are not but modes of the singular divine being. Thus, there is a total denial of hypostasis between the modes. While there is great variance between the ancients and modern modalism, it is still an accurate description of Oneness Pentecostalism's view of the divinity. Perhaps proper use of punctuation and grammar might facilitate an easier answer. There is no such thing as a "modealist."

My question in reply is that if you appear to have a working device with Web access, why not take several moments to find a definition, especially since you criticized me earlier in this thread for my methodology?

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Do you have a link to show the affiliation? It was my understanding Jakes was a COOLJC man, although he had his beginnings with Billy Cole and the UPCI, but that was many years ago.

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For over a year my wife and I picked up and transported a person from the city of our residence to the UPCI church we at the time attended, and we did so willingly and joyfully, seeking nothing in return.

If you call the UPCI church nearest you and explain you are without transportation but would like to come to a meeting, I am sure someone will oblige to make sure you have a ride.

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His church was never affiliated with the UPCI.
He and his church were a part of the Higher Ground...

http://highergroundaaa.com

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Wow, that's a really long run on sentence.

Anyway, why would I go on the web to look it up? I have you here. You want us to view you as some sort of theological Colossus, and we petty men. Walk under your huge legs and peep about. To find ourselves dishonorable graves.
It really seems you are here to crush your ecclesiastical enemies. See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of preacher women.

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Don’t know what you’re smoking? Jakes wasn’t affiliated with the UPCI.

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That’s not true either.

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Are you going to have the integrity to either support or retract this claim?

Was that your babble method of saying your claim was wrong?

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