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Aquila 03-25-2018 02:21 PM

"Beards are sin!" False doctrine?
 
If one teaches that beards are "sin", are they teaching false doctrine?

Steve Epley 03-25-2018 02:27 PM

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Honestly I don’t think I have ever heard anyone say beards are a sin?

Aquila 03-25-2018 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1523933)
Honestly I don’t think I have ever heard anyone say beards are a sin?

You're full of hooey. You know good and well that many men teach that beards are sin. It's becoming more rare, but it's still out there.

But, I'll play your game. Obviously you're claiming to have never heard it. Let's say a man you knew did teach beards are sin. Are they teaching false doctrine?

Originalist 03-25-2018 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1523937)
You're full of hooey. You know good and well that many men teach that beards are sin. It's becoming more rare, but it's still out there.

But, I'll play your game. Obviously you're claiming to have never heard it. Let's say a man you knew did teach beards are sin. Are they teaching false doctrine?

Invocation of "pastoral authority" in 5,4,3,2......

Evang.Benincasa 03-25-2018 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1523937)
You're full of hooey. You know good and well that many men teach that beards are sin. It's becoming more rare, but it's still out there.

But, I'll play your game. Obviously you're claiming to have never heard it. Let's say a man you knew did teach beards are sin. Are they teaching false doctrine?

You are full of hooey.

I never heard anyone preach beards are sin.

Evang.Benincasa 03-25-2018 03:02 PM

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Aquila what's your game now?

houston 03-25-2018 04:03 PM

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I was “taught” that men with facial hair are full of pride, and pride is a sin.

houston 03-25-2018 04:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1523937)
You're full of hooey. You know good and well that many men teach that beards are sin. It's becoming more rare, but it's still out there.

But, I'll play your game. Obviously you're claiming to have never heard it. Let's say a man you knew did teach beards are sin. Are they teaching false doctrine?

Watch your tone.

Michael The Disciple 03-25-2018 04:04 PM

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Ok lets play your game. If beards are NOT a sin why do you not allow men in your Church to wear them?

houston 03-25-2018 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1523933)
Honestly I don’t think I have ever heard anyone say beards are a sin?

Only that “they can’t be saved from here.”

Michael The Disciple 03-25-2018 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1523952)
Only that “they can’t be saved from here.”

But why? If its not a sin? With no scriptural authority would they not be teaching the traditions and doctrines of men?

Originalist 03-25-2018 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1523954)
But why? If its not a sin? With no scriptural authority would they not be teaching the traditions and doctrines of men?

"Apostolic authority". Didn't you know that Apostolic authority not only grants church leaders the power of absolution, it also empowers them to make their own preferences binding law that is equal to holy writ? if your pastor says wearing a beard is a sin, then by-golly you are sinning if you wear one!! I seen this in the good book.

Aquila 03-25-2018 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1523943)
You are full of hooey.

I never heard anyone preach beards are sin.

Now, you know it happens. And now, hearts are revealed.

Michael The Disciple 03-25-2018 04:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1523937)
You're full of hooey. You know good and well that many men teach that beards are sin. It's becoming more rare, but it's still out there.

But, I'll play your game. Obviously you're claiming to have never heard it. Let's say a man you knew did teach beards are sin. Are they teaching false doctrine?

Why do you say this doctrine is becoming rare? The Pastor of the Church Im visiting told me in our first discussion he was against beards and "Did not favor them".

The Church down the road has the famous policy of just dont touch the platform in a beard. So where are all these Oneness Churches that understand there is nothing wrong with a beard?

I know no one would have presumed to wear a beard at Daytons "Apostolic Lighthouse" in the days you attended. Have they changed their policy?

Aquila 03-25-2018 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1523949)
I was “taught” that men with facial hair are full of pride, and pride is a sin.

I've heard that too. But pride can also be found among the shaven. Pride is a charter flaw that can take glory in nearly anything.

Michael The Disciple 03-25-2018 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1523955)
"Apostolic authority". Didn't you know that Apostolic authority not only grants church leaders the power of absolution, it also empowers them to make their own preferences binding law that is equal to holy writ? if your pastor says wearing a beard is a sin, then by-golly you are sinning if you wear one!! I seen this in the good book.

You mean Apostolic Preachers get to be like the Pope?:heeheehee

Aquila 03-25-2018 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1523941)
Invocation of "pastoral authority" in 5,4,3,2......

I've heard that one too. But can pastoral authority extend beyond the Word?

Aquila 03-25-2018 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1523951)
Ok lets play your game. If beards are NOT a sin why do you not allow men in your Church to wear them?

Excellent question.

False doctrine?
Traditions of men?
Alienation from the cross, doctrine of devils?

Michael The Disciple 03-25-2018 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1523943)
You are full of hooey.

I never heard anyone preach beards are sin.

Dom,

What is the policy in YOUR Church concerning beards? Do any members wear them? Are they allowed to teach or preach?

Aquila 03-25-2018 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1523957)
Why do you say this doctrine is becoming rare? The Pastor of the Church Im visiting told me in our first discussion he was against beards and "Did not favor them".

The Church down the road has the famous policy of just dont touch the platform in a beard. So where are all these Oneness Churches that understand there is nothing wrong with a beard?

I know no one would have presumed to wear a beard at Daytons "Apostolic Lighthouse" in the days you attended. Have they changed their policy?

No. They haven't.

Sadly, most churches around me have moved towards tolerating them in the pews, but platform policies still stand. This makes two standards, does it not?

I'm examining as to if it is false, unbiblical doctrine.

Michael The Disciple 03-25-2018 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1523963)
No. They haven't.

Sadly, most churches around me have moved towards tolerating them in the pews, but platform policies still stand. This makes two standards, does it not?

I'm examining as to if it is false, unbiblical doctrine.

Not much to examine. Yeshua never taught such a thing nor the Apostles. They probably all were wearing them. Where would one go in scripture to prove such teaching?

Are they condemning Christ and the Apostles as a side effect?

Evang.Benincasa 03-25-2018 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1523964)
Not much to examine. Yeshua never taught such a thing nor the Apostles. They probably all were wearing them. Where would one go in scripture to prove such teaching?

Are they condemning Christ and the Apostles as a side effect?


Funny, a guy who uses a name not found in the New Testament is complaining about another guy having lack of scriptural evidence for a clean shave.

Yeshua Christ?

jediwill83 03-25-2018 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1523943)
You are full of hooey.

I never heard anyone preach beards are sin.

I have.... I've heard them ascribe in vague terms that ita a "spirit" associated with facial hair when they can't use scripture to establish the doctrine.

I also have heard Urshan preach against it because,"The homosexual wears the beard."

Jenny 03-25-2018 05:27 PM

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Aside from the Nazarite vow, I can't recall any fuss made one way or the other in the Scriptures. Hasidic Jews are convinced they should wear the earlocks and beards and I assume this springs from some interpretation of the Old Testament, also the Amish (but w/o the earlocks). I personally would never think a man more or less holy if he had a beard.

Monterrey 03-25-2018 05:28 PM

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Beards are definintely a sin...............































On a woman!!!!!!!


Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sorry, couldn't resist!!!

Esaias 03-25-2018 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1523933)
Honestly I don’t think I have ever heard anyone say beards are a sin?

Neither have I.

Aquila 03-25-2018 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1523971)
Beards are definintely a sin...............































On a woman!!!!!!!


Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sorry, couldn't resist!!!

:lol

Aquila 03-25-2018 05:44 PM

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The question wasn't if anyone has heard beards preached as a sin, the question is...If one teaches that they are sin, is it false doctrine?

Aquila 03-25-2018 05:53 PM

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In 2007, EB stated:

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 157470)
I know what you need Sister Mich, you need to find the most conservative Apostolic Holiness Church you can find (preferably one that doesn't believe in beards) and attend there for at least three years. You won't regret it Sister!

You do it and you will LOVE IT!!:kittyhug


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Why would you prefer that one send a church that doesn't believe in beards if you never heard them preached as being a sin, or I if you have no issue with them?

Or, has your position on beards evolved?

Esaias 03-25-2018 06:00 PM

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The liberal mind, in politics, has no nuance. Thus, liberals accuse others of being stubborn, old fashioned, narrow minded, etc. It's a form of psychological projection. Apparently, it's true in religion as well. Some folks cannot conceive there is a difference between "against beards" on the one hand, and "beards are SIN" on the other hand.

I think liberalism really is a mental disorder.

Esaias 03-25-2018 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1523956)
Now, you know it happens. And now, hearts are revealed.

Hearts are revealed? What are you, the Psychic Berniecostal Prophet of Gloom sent to reveal everyone's Not-As-Holy-As-Thine heart?

Get out of here.:smack

1ofthechosen 03-25-2018 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1523986)
The liberal mind, in politics, has no nuance. Thus, liberals accuse others of being stubborn, old fashioned, narrow minded, etc. It's a form of psychological projection. Apparently, it's true in religion as well. Some folks cannot conceive there is a difference between "against beards" on the one hand, and "beards are SIN" on the other hand.

I think liberalism really is a mental disorder.

That is the truth, and I can see it; that's hilarious (I truly Lol'ed). Anything anybody takes a stand on people blow out of proportion, but will drive down the road with signs and laws all day, and never complain. When I was in the world I would adhere to a dress code to go to a club, or even to court and "such did some of you too." But when it comes to the house of God people get to over reacting. Blowing things out of proportion.

Esaias 03-25-2018 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen (Post 1523989)
That is the truth, and I can see it; that's hilarious (I truly Lol'ed). Anything anybody takes a stand on people blow out of proportion, but will drive down the road with signs and laws all day, and never complain. When I was in the world I would adhere to a dress code to go to a club, or even to court and "such did some of you too." But when it comes to the house of God people get to over reacting. Blowing things out of proportion.

Some of these same people would say "although tobacco isn't necessarily a SIN, I don't want to see anyone on the platform with a lit ceegar or a lip full o dip" and not bat an eye.

Justifications forthcoming in 3, 2, 1...

Evang.Benincasa 03-25-2018 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1523988)
Hearts are revealed? What are you, the Psychic Berniecostal Prophet of Gloom sent to reveal everyone's Not-As-Holy-As-Thine heart?

Get out of here.:smack

:thumbsup :lol

Evang.Benincasa 03-25-2018 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 1523969)
I have.... I've heard them ascribe in vague terms that ita a "spirit" associated with facial hair when they can't use scripture to establish the doctrine.

I also have heard Urshan preach against it because,"The homosexual wears the beard."

Bro,I have never heard someone preach or teach that it is a sin. Because I have a beard every morning. I shave it off, and guess what? It grows by the afternoon. If I let it grow I would make ZZ Tops cry in his wild turkey bite. Seriously, my hair grows so fast on my chin that I can cut it off and send it to Michael the Disciple to cover his head, and to cover up those cat whiskers he calls a beard. :)

Evang.Benincasa 03-25-2018 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1523985)
In 2007, EB stated:



Why would you prefer that one send a church that doesn't believe in beards if you never heard them preached as being a sin, or I if you have no issue with them?

Or, has your position on beards evolved?

Did Mich have a beard? Or did her live in boyfriend have a beard or both?

No, nothing has changed, I still keep my self clean shaved, but everyone else who sports a mustache, or a beard is up to them. The scripture doesn't teach that it is mandatory to wear a beard, or that there is a prohibition against beards. I know guys who preach if you don't wear a beard it is effeminate. So, it is a standard that they are teaching.

Evang.Benincasa 03-25-2018 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1523986)
The liberal mind, in politics, has no nuance. Thus, liberals accuse others of being stubborn, old fashioned, narrow minded, etc. It's a form of psychological projection. Apparently, it's true in religion as well. Some folks cannot conceive there is a difference between "against beards" on the one hand, and "beards are SIN" on the other hand.

I think liberalism really is a mental disorder.

Hence the reason the liberal will be the prime tool in the fall of society as we know it. Christianity will be left to a small remnant while the greater portion will be the State Church were doctrine will be what is good for the state.

1ofthechosen 03-25-2018 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 1523969)
I have.... I've heard them ascribe in vague terms that ita a "spirit" associated with facial hair when they can't use scripture to establish the doctrine.

I also have heard Urshan preach against it because,"The homosexual wears the beard."

I've never heard anyone say it's a sin. Although I did hear brother N.A. Urshan say the thing in a message about homosexuals wearing beards cut a certain way to identify them as homosexuals, like wearing a ear ring in a certain ear. He didn't say it was a sin; but he said just like everyone else I've ever heard say about it, that we shouldn't look like the world.
I can see that because people in the world see on the outside before they notice what you have inwardly. The outwardly will make them analyze you and allow them to see you are different inwardly. That's the only way I've ever heard it preached. Though I have heard when you start to rebel against your pastor the first thing someone will do will start with their hair or facial hair most times. So I can say beware, 1 Samuel 15:23 is something we should all stay aware of!! 2 Corinthians 13:5 "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" And nobody became a reprobate all in one night, it starts one decision and compromise at a time. I encourage you to take a stand on that serpents head and don't let off.

Here comes the attack, but as Pilate said in John 19:22 "What I have written I have written."

consapente89 03-25-2018 07:08 PM

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It probably won't be the beard that takes you to hell, so I wouldn't get to worked up about that at this point.

FlamingZword 03-25-2018 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen (Post 1524000)
Here comes the attack, but as Pilate said in John 19:22 "What I have written I have written."

Pilate was the bad man. :laffatu


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