Is Satan (or the Devil) a Real Being?
 

The thread "Demons and the Believers" made me wonder, do people on AFF believe Satan (or the Devil) is a real being? Or is he simply a construct created in myth and lore.

(The poll is anonymous)

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Read Revelationists posts in thread Do Fulfilled Eschatologists Believe In hell?

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LOL

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I believe in the person of the devil. He is the god of this world.

2 Cor. 4:3-4

3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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They have spiritualized away the reality of the devil. He appreciates their work on his behalf.

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I agree.
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Wrong. Others have over spiritualized the reality of the Biblical devil into a Gnostic Dualist syncretism, resulting in the modern impotency of Christianity to turn the world upside down like they did back in the first century. By importing a Zoroastrian version of pagan mythology replete with Jewish myths about fallen angels, hybrid reptilians whose disembodied spirits roam the earth, and the Evil God™ Ahriman, er, I mean Loki, er I mean Set, er, I mean Lucifer/Satan©, and the quest for Level 20 Cleric/Mage spells to "engage the forces of darkness", REAL evil marches unopposed and entire generations languish under the thrall of the REAL devil. Meanwhile, the sheep are told not to worry about all that, just pay tithes and do their navel gazing and they can go to the Grand Stockyard in the Sky when they die (likely from causes inculcated by their real enemies who have convinced a lot of people the enemy is an invisible, omnipresent Lord Foul and his horde of demons sent to invade Shannara so they best get Leveled-up and start anointing courthouses with oil).

:heeheehee

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The Trinitarian Lithuanian Russian Zionists Naked in Corn flakes CBD using Preterists are to blame for all of it.

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lol

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That in bold was hilarious. But no one ever believes the devil is Omnipresent not that I know of.

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Yes, and he is a member of this forum. :lol

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ROFL!!!!!

:slaphappy :spit :happydance

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Did Jesus believe the devil was a personal being?

Luke 4:1-13

1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

13And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

Not only did he believe he talked to him.

And furthermore:

Luke 4:17-18

17And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Jesus believed the devil fell from Heaven before he was on the earth.

Or maybe it was actually THE SCRIBES AND THE PHARISEES!

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We're being told that we are not to walk around "swatting at invisible flies" as Esaias had said in a previous post.

However, Jesus was tempted by Satan in the wilderness... Jesus also cast evil spirits out of people during His earthly ministry. The disciples were granted authority to do the same. And in the book of Acts we read of the Apostles casting out devils. And in the Epistles we are admonished to resist the devil, be sober and vigilant regarding the devil, etc.

It appears that this new stripped down version of Christianity being propagated around here is truly in some rather serious error.

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Next thing may be an attempt to spiritualize GOD out of existence.

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Scary.

I know I can be liberal on several political issues. I know that I'm moderate to liberal on standards that I don't see specifically spelled out in Scripture. But I've never denied a clear doctrinal teaching of the Bible.

These men are truly blind teachers. :(

It's almost like when they became Preterists... they began reconstructing a unique religion based on Scripture... but cared not to maintain the very same faith expressed in the Scriptures.

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Esaias is not a preterist. EB has cast out devils.

Next.

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You called them blind teachers. You need to repent.

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:rolleyes2

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Altho I see preterism as a heretical train wreck the connection here seems to be more the approach of HYPER SPIRITUALIZING the scriptures.

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One man claimed the devil was not a real being, correct? No one else other than him?

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If ones denies the existence of the devil....how could they not be blind teachers? What would one have to do to be considered a blind teacher if THAT does not make you one?

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Correct. Jerry Moon.

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you mean he???? who are "they"???

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Good point. I'm connecting the two because Preterists apply an "apocalyptic language" interpretation of apocalyptic literature... but it seems that they have a tendency of taking that very same approach and applying to other genres of biblical literature such as history, poetry, and wisdom literature. Suddenly clouds are no longer clouds... and though they are only 2 degrees off course... they eventually end up out in no man's land.

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Only one man "openly" professed not to believe in Satan. However, there is a tight knit group of very approving individuals who commonly associate here. And while only one of them professes not to believe in a literal Satan, the others are either approving of his error, or they agree.

And the way things work around here, I doubt anyone of that same clique will rise and confront the error in their valued associate's theology.

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So now there’s a posse.

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Yep. Birds of a feather flock together.

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I asked Esaias if he believed the devil is a person. Unless I missed it somewhere I have seen no answer.

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Perhaps deep down inside he is uncertain and still studying it out.

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I agree with you. My eyes have been open to a whole new level of using scripture to teach whatever you want.:foottap

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Someone needs to clear this up. Are there others, other than Jerry Moon, that do not believe in a literal being called the devil is a fallen angel?

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The only people spiritualizing things are those who can't accept the Bible's teaching that satan and devil are terms applied to various things. Instead they want to believe in a mythology of fallen angels running loose running the world. Plenty of information has been posted showing the Bible's teaching on the subject, but people prefer catholic myths to Biblical realities. I think it's a form of escapism, personally.

The constant reliance on straw men ("so there are no demons?") is evidence one has no solid grasp of scripture.

Satan is not a fallen angel who was once the choir director in heaven. That's straight out of pagan fantasyland.

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It's time to name names or Revelationist somehow became part of the clique after resurrecting from the thread dead after years. What are you saying here, Aquila?

Don't be squirrelly, just name names cats out the bag now. Who are they?

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Wow...just wow

Brother, you are deceived. You cannot be a spiritual man and believe that there are not fallen angels opposing the work of God. I am sorry. I have respected you, but this is baloney. I know God and I know my adversary.

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Where does the Bible say "you cannot be a spiritual man and believe there are not fallen angels opposing the work of God"?

You can think what you want but I also know God, and I know Christ destroyed the devil (Heb 2:14), do you believe that? If you don't then you might not be as apostolic as you thought you were.

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