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houston 09-13-2018 12:59 AM

How do evangelists get paid?
 

I’ve always pondered, how do evangelists (circuit preachers) get paid?

Does the hosting pastor offer an amount? Per service? Per hour?
If people get saved?

Does the evangelist have a set rate? Or is it based on offerings collected during the revival?



Tithesmeister 09-13-2018 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1549123)

I’ve always pondered, how do evangelists (circuit preachers) get paid?

Does the hosting pastor offer an amount? Per service? Per hour?
If people get saved?

Does the evangelist have a set rate? Or is it based on offerings collected during the revival?



I wouldn’t think it would be by the hour. I have heard that sometimes it is weakly?

JoeBandy 09-13-2018 05:46 AM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1549123)

I’ve always pondered, how do evangelists (circuit preachers) get paid?

Does the hosting pastor offer an amount? Per service? Per hour?
If people get saved?

Does the evangelist have a set rate? Or is it based on offerings collected during the revival?



I am not sure about all of them But I know there are two, one wildly popular and the other sorta popular in the UPC ranks demand a set rate per service before they will even show up. I have also heard statements by local ministers like " boy I wish we could afford to get BRO SO & SO here" . That leads me to believe most ask for a set amount.

Scott Pitta 09-13-2018 06:01 AM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
We paid them a predetermined amount. Sometimes, offerings covered this number and sometimes it did not.

TakingDominion 09-13-2018 06:07 AM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
Just depends on the host pastor. Many will pay per service. Some will just give a weekly check for extended revivals. I have heard of paying per baptism but only in horror stories. I've also heard of evangelists demanding a certain amount, but again only in horror stories.

Scott Pitta 09-13-2018 06:36 AM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
Some speakers do have set fees. We never paid eyebrow raising amounts for speakers.

Finances were controlled by the church board, not by the pastor. I was treasurer, so we discussed speaker fees along with all other parts of the budget.

Apostolic1ness 09-13-2018 07:03 AM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
Around here evangelist will receive about $1000.00 a week which is typically 4 services and as many love offerings as we can bless them and their family with. We even have a little fun with it and give their children "bubble gum money".

Scott Pitta 09-13-2018 07:09 AM

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Our policy was to pay the predetermined amount. The offerings helped cover the predetermined cost. Offerings were not a bonus of any kind.

Aquila 09-13-2018 07:39 AM

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We basically paid them whatever their going rate was, just like most business organizations pay special speakers, trainers, or motivational speakers for seminars. There was normally a set amount determined by the speaker to book them on the schedule. Offerings were often collected to recoup the cost of the evangelist, and it wasn't uncommon to set aside a hearty gift out of the offerings just to say thank you. And yes, sometimes we just couldn't afford a given evangelist. Some would come if in the area for a service or two, and collect whatever offerings we were able to collect to say thank you. When they did this it was a treat because they were being very generous, seeing that their time is money and that scheduling can be a bear if they are in high demand.

It's really all above board. Any special speaker (religious or not) has their going rate based on demand and their availability.

consapente89 09-13-2018 07:46 AM

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We have a minimal base salary and it is per service. Then we consider other factors that may cause the base to fluctuate. We also make sure their room and board is provided and that they never have to buy their own meals during the tenure of the revival. If they fly in, then the church is responsible for their transportation. If they drive a long distance, we make sure to pay them extra to compensate for their travel expenses.

Aquila 09-13-2018 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1549142)
We have a minimal base salary and it is per service. Then we consider other factors that may cause the base to fluctuate. We also make sure their room and board is provided and that they never have to buy their own meals during the tenure of the revival. If they fly in, then the church is responsible for their transportation. If they drive a long distance, we make sure to pay them extra to compensate for their travel expenses.

:thumbsup

I think that is pretty standard, isn't it?

Steve Epley 09-13-2018 08:59 AM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
I Pastor and I also have evangelized. I was always paid well. Never would demand an amount or use an evangelist that did. The circles I preached around treated evangelists and their families like royalty. Hopefully I do the same. They don’t leave here in need.

Apostolic1ness 09-13-2018 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1549163)
I Pastor and I also have evangelized. I was always paid well. Never would demand an amount or use an evangelist that did. The circles I preached around treated evangelists and their families like royalty. Hopefully I do the same. They don’t leave here in need.

Amen, my Pastor evangelized for about 11 years with three stair step children. He has put in our hearts a deep love for evangelist. We take very good care of them.

Aquila 09-13-2018 10:24 AM

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Evangelists should be compensated and their needs met with great generosity. They sacrifice so much to embrace the evangelistic lifestyle.

Steve Epley 09-13-2018 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1549179)
Evangelists should be compensated and their needs met with great generosity. They sacrifice so much to embrace the evangelistic lifestyle.

Agreed.

Aquila 09-13-2018 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1549180)
Agreed.

Yes, they are often treated like royalty. But few truly know the hardships of being an evangelist... especially an evangelist with a family.

They are worthy of their hire. Pay them well.

n david 09-13-2018 11:35 AM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
Growing up, my father would always pay the expenses and then take offerings and give it to the Evangelist or missionary. It wasn't until probably a decade ago that I heard of Evangelists having set rates. Not fond of the idea, but I understand why some have done it. I've heard stories from Evangelists of churches and Pastors who barely paid for their food and nothing more.

Steve Epley 09-13-2018 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1549190)
Yes, they are often treated like royalty. But few truly know the hardships of being an evangelist... especially an evangelist with a family.

They are worthy of their hire. Pay them well.

On a regular basis I contact other pastors asking them what they are giving evangelists weekly. Not only do I want their expenses met. I want to be certain they can afford to minister to smaller congregations without suffering. Their ministry is much needed.

houston 09-13-2018 12:25 PM

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These are all very good replies. Thanks for the info.


houston 09-13-2018 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1549217)
On a regular basis I contact other pastors asking them what they are giving evangelists weekly. Not only do I want their expenses met. I want to be certain they can afford to minister to smaller congregations without suffering. Their ministry is much needed.

Awesome! Allowing them to minister in smaller churches that have the need but can’t afford the cost.

houston 09-13-2018 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1549204)
Growing up, my father would always pay the expenses and then take offerings and give it to the Evangelist or missionary. It wasn't until probably a decade ago that I heard of Evangelists having set rates. Not fond of the idea.

The set rate really bothers me. I was told of a very prominent evangelist that had a $5k retainer.

houston 09-13-2018 12:31 PM

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I read that an evngelist on the low end of the pay scale (probably lack of meetings) earns $25,000 a year.

I thought, poor guy.

Apostolic1ness 09-13-2018 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1549221)
The set rate really bothers me. I was told of a very prominent evangelist that had a $5k retainer.

I wander what a prominent evangelist is, since we are all brothers and sisters right and equally loved by God.

are there "big shots" in the kingdom of God or "humble servants"

tongue in cheek of course.

n david 09-13-2018 01:04 PM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1549221)
The set rate really bothers me. I was told of a very prominent evangelist that had a $5k retainer.

$5K retainer is ridiculous.

Being an Evangelist is not a career, it's a calling.

I can understand asking for expenses, food and lodging be covered in advance, but the rest should be left to what's given in an offering, not some ridiculous amount as though they're some celebrity with a rider attached to their retainer.

Steve Epley 09-13-2018 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1549222)

I read that an evngelist on the low end of the pay scale (probably lack of meetings) earns $25,000 a year.

I thought, poor guy.

When I evangelized I was paid very well. I did not have one complaint. I reserved some days to give to home missions or very small churches to preach freely. God and His people were good to me.

Aquila 09-13-2018 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1549233)
$5K retainer is ridiculous.

Being an Evangelist is not a career, it's a calling.

I can understand asking for expenses, food and lodging be covered in advance, but the rest should be left to what's given in an offering, not some ridiculous amount as though they're some celebrity with a rider attached to their retainer.

Time is money. I'd imagine that if someone is a notable speaker, they have many trying to book them to preach. There is only so much time in the year, and so the value of his time and services increase. I can see it.

Any highly successful speaker, teacher, etc. will be found doing the same.

But, I have a soft spot for evangelists. They go through a lot. And their families go through a lot. It's a passion, but if you can make a good living following your passion and calling, why begrudge them?

I'm far more critical of pastors who use their position to terrorize folks, including those on fixed incomes, to give 10% with the threat of burning in Hell for having somehow "robbed" God.

I love free and voluntary giving out of the joy of one's heart. I believe the entire ministry should be sustained that way.

n david 09-13-2018 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1549235)
Time is money. I'd imagine that if someone is a notable speaker, they have many trying to book them to preach. There is only so much time in the year, and so the value of his time and services increase. I can see it.

Any highly successful speaker, teacher, etc. will be found doing the same.

They're not a career speaker, teacher, etc.

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1549235)
But, I have a soft spot for evangelists. They go through a lot. And their families go through a lot. It's a passion, but if you can make a good living following your passion and calling, why begrudge them?

There's a difference between making a living and padding the pocket. Charging a $5K retainer is just ridiculous. I get they go through a lot. I had dozens of Evangelists and missionaries stay in my home while I was growing up. Spent hours out of services at home listening to them while around the dinner table or sitting in the living room.

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1549235)
I love free and voluntary giving out of the joy of one's heart. I believe the entire ministry should be sustained that way.

Funny, you talk about "free and voluntary" giving, but are voicing support of an Evangelist who wouldn't visit unless you pay him a $5K retainer. And that's just a retainer. That's not including whatever else he expects to receive in offerings.

Not really "free and voluntary" now, is it?

returnman 09-13-2018 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness (Post 1549227)
I wander what a prominent evangelist is, since we are all brothers and sisters right and equally loved by God.

are there "big shots" in the kingdom of God or "humble servants"

tongue in cheek of course.

Maybe not the kingdom of God but here on earth with humanity involved. Just the way it is. You get a person with a big name and more folks from the surrounding area are going to show up meaning a bigger offering plus everybody likes booking the best they can get if possible.

Aquila 09-13-2018 01:51 PM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1549238)
They're not a career speaker, teacher, etc.


There's a difference between making a living and padding the pocket. Charging a $5K retainer is just ridiculous. I get they go through a lot. I had dozens of Evangelists and missionaries stay in my home while I was growing up. Spent hours out of services at home listening to them while around the dinner table or sitting in the living room.


Funny, you talk about "free and voluntary" giving, but are voicing support of an Evangelist who wouldn't visit unless you pay him a $5K retainer. And that's just a retainer. That's not including whatever else he expects to receive in offerings.

Not really "free and voluntary" now, is it?

Well, a church is free to book the man or not.

These evangelists often have to fly, stay in hotels, or they have a truck and mobile home. It costs money to travel. So much money, I haven't been able to afford a decent vacation in 10 years. These guys often travel vacation style all year round, every year. And, because of that, many don't have jobs or careers. They must find a way to live and sustain their families on whatever they make speaking. That includes the travel, vehicles, mobile accommodations, educational curriculum for kids, health insurance for the family, etc. It's not cheap. And the more popular an evangelist is, the more people want to book him. That boils down to a higher cost, and perhaps yes, even a retainer.

I think the real rip off is extortion under threat of hell imposed by pastors regarding the tithe. Maybe if they had more faith in their anointing, they could live on free will offerings and attract the crowds.

Ultimately, I see these evangelist as God's motivational speakers. And yes, in our economy, some are celebrities of sorts. It's just the way it is.

I think the hidden gems are good men few have heard of who if given more exposure, they'd not be struggling so badly.

Esaias 09-13-2018 02:00 PM

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3. And concerning the Apostles and Prophets, act thus according to the ordinance of the Gospel.
4. Let every Apostle who comes to you be received as the Lord,
5. But let him not stay more than one day, or if need be a second as well; but if he stay three days, he is a false prophet.
6. And when an Apostle goes forth let him accept nothing but bread till he reach his night's lodging; but if he ask for money, he is a false prophet.

...
12. But whosoever shall say in a spirit "Give me money, or something else," you shall not listen to him; but if he tell you to give on behalf of others in want, let none judge him.

...

1. Let everyone who "comes in the Name of the Lord" be received; but when you have tested him you shall know him, for you shall have understanding of true and false.
2. If he who comes is a traveller, help him as much as you can, but he shall not remain with you more than two days, or, if need be, three.
3. And if he wishes to settle among you and has a craft, let him work for his bread.
4. But if he has no craft provide for him according to your understanding, so that no man shall live among you in idleness because he is a Christian.
5. But if he will not do so, he is making traffic of Christ; beware of such.

-The Didache

Aquila 09-13-2018 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1549255)
3. And concerning the Apostles and Prophets, act thus according to the ordinance of the Gospel.
4. Let every Apostle who comes to you be received as the Lord,
5. But let him not stay more than one day, or if need be a second as well; but if he stay three days, he is a false prophet.
6. And when an Apostle goes forth let him accept nothing but bread till he reach his night's lodging; but if he ask for money, he is a false prophet.

...
12. But whosoever shall say in a spirit "Give me money, or something else," you shall not listen to him; but if he tell you to give on behalf of others in want, let none judge him.

...

1. Let everyone who "comes in the Name of the Lord" be received; but when you have tested him you shall know him, for you shall have understanding of true and false.
2. If he who comes is a traveller, help him as much as you can, but he shall not remain with you more than two days, or, if need be, three.
3. And if he wishes to settle among you and has a craft, let him work for his bread.
4. But if he has no craft provide for him according to your understanding, so that no man shall live among you in idleness because he is a Christian.
5. But if he will not do so, he is making traffic of Christ; beware of such.

-The Didache

The Didache? Uninspired and not authoritative. Also, I doubt any of us would stand by every word of it.

BuckeyeBukaroo 09-13-2018 02:15 PM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1549123)

I’ve always pondered, how do evangelists (circuit preachers) get paid?

Does the hosting pastor offer an amount? Per service? Per hour?
If people get saved?

Does the evangelist have a set rate? Or is it based on offerings collected during the revival?



The world's greatest Evangelist was a tent maker.

Esaias 09-13-2018 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1549260)
The Didache? Uninspired and not authoritative. Also, I doubt any of us would stand by every word of it.

Don't worry, the post wasn't for you.

n david 09-13-2018 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1549251)
Well, a church is free to book the man or not.

Only if they can afford the retainer. What part of that is hard to understand?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1549251)
These evangelists often have to fly, stay in hotels, or they have a truck and mobile home. It costs money to travel. So much money, I haven't been able to afford a decent vacation in 10 years. These guys often travel vacation style all year round, every year. And, because of that, many don't have jobs or careers. They must find a way to live and sustain their families on whatever they make speaking. That includes the travel, vehicles, mobile accommodations, educational curriculum for kids, health insurance for the family, etc. It's not cheap. And the more popular an evangelist is, the more people want to book him. That boils down to a higher cost, and perhaps yes, even a retainer.

The expenses should be covered, no question.

If an Evangelist is in demand and is booked, he won't need to charge as much to be able to pay his bills and live off what he receives in offerings. There's no need for a $5K retainer + offerings if he's booked. That's just being greedy.

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1549251)
I think the real rip off is extortion under threat of hell imposed by pastors regarding the tithe. Maybe if they had more faith in their anointing, they could live on free will offerings and attract the crowds.

Yes, I get you hate Pastors. This isn't about the awful, terrible, no good, fake Pastors about whom you always complain.

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1549251)
Ultimately, I see these evangelist as God's motivational speakers.

Alrighty then. No need for "Sinner's in the Hands of an Angry God" when what you want is "Your Best Life Now."

Aquila 09-13-2018 02:26 PM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1549268)
Only if they can afford the retainer. What part of that is hard to understand?


The expenses should be covered, no question.

If an Evangelist is in demand and is booked, he won't need to charge as much to be able to pay his bills and live off what he receives in offerings. There's no need for a $5K retainer + offerings if he's booked. That's just being greedy.


Yes, I get you hate Pastors. This isn't about the awful, terrible, no good, fake Pastors about whom you always complain.


Alrighty then. No need for "Sinner's in the Hands of an Angry God" when what you want is "Your Best Life Now."

I do see your point. I'm just saying that market forces make any popular speaker's time and services far more expensive. The retainer thing makes sense if they are extremely popular. Because if you book him and cancel, that's time he could have booked with others. You've now taken away from his opportunities. By charging a retainer, he locks you in because you put money behind it. He can now plan his calendar with some assurance.

houston 09-13-2018 02:42 PM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1549255)
3. And concerning the Apostles and Prophets, act thus according to the ordinance of the Gospel.
4. Let every Apostle who comes to you be received as the Lord,
5. But let him not stay more than one day, or if need be a second as well; but if he stay three days, he is a false prophet.
6. And when an Apostle goes forth let him accept nothing but bread till he reach his night's lodging; but if he ask for money, he is a false prophet.

...
12. But whosoever shall say in a spirit "Give me money, or something else," you shall not listen to him; but if he tell you to give on behalf of others in want, let none judge him.

...

1. Let everyone who "comes in the Name of the Lord" be received; but when you have tested him you shall know him, for you shall have understanding of true and false.
2. If he who comes is a traveller, help him as much as you can, but he shall not remain with you more than two days, or, if need be, three.
3. And if he wishes to settle among you and has a craft, let him work for his bread.
4. But if he has no craft provide for him according to your understanding, so that no man shall live among you in idleness because he is a Christian.
5. But if he will not do so, he is making traffic of Christ; beware of such.

-The Didache

Odd

BuckeyeBukaroo 09-13-2018 02:43 PM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
Why are we referring to the Didache on this thread?

Esaias 09-13-2018 02:45 PM

Re: How do evangelists get paid?
 
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo (Post 1549289)
Why are we referring to the Didache on this thread?

Because I quoted it's statements about traveling preachers and how they get paid? I dunno, that might be the reason?

Either that or you slipped into an alternate timeline?

houston 09-13-2018 02:48 PM

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I don’t agree with the Didache. I doubt Paul stayed only a day or 2.

BuckeyeBukaroo 09-13-2018 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1549292)
Because I quoted it's statements about traveling preachers and how they get paid? I dunno, that might be the reason?

Either that or you slipped into an alternate timeline?

It is not authoritative in the least bit.
You might as well had been quoting from, "The Shack."


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